USA Olympic Trials - Men's Boxing

[NYAmateur90]

1 p.m. session

108 lbs: Eros Correa, San Jose, Calif., dec. Norberto Torres, Orlando, Fla., 20-13
108 lbs: Marco Rangel, St. George, Ariz., dec. David Carlton, Cincinnati Ohio, 23-21
108 lbs: Louie Byrd, Denver, Colo., dec. Michael Benedosso, Milford, Conn., 23-16
108 lbs: Gregory Outlaw, Glenarden, Md., dec. Santos Vasquez, Sun Valley, Nev., 17-16
123 lbs: Louis Feliciano, Milwaukee, Wis., dec. Isaac Torres, Mission, Texas, 23-14
123 lbs: Joseph Diaz, Jr., El Monte, Calif., dec. Joe Perez, Fountain, Colo. 30-14
123 lbs: Tramaine Williams, New Haven, Conn., dec. Joet Gonzalez, Glendora, Calif., 14-12
123 lbs: O’shanique Foster, Orange, Texas dec. Antonio Nieves, Cleveland, Ohio, 16-16 (90-76)
141 lbs: Pedro Sosa, Bronx, N.Y., won on disqualification over Gary Allen Russell, III, Capitol Heights, Md., DQ
141 lbs: Jamel Herring, Camp Lejeune, Fla., dec. Thomas Duquette, Waltham, Mass., 12-12 (66-58)
141 lbs: Semajay Thomas, Chicago, Ill., dec. George Rincon, Carrollton, Texas, 16-15
141 lbs: Michael Reed, Washington, D.C., dec. Duran Caferro, Helena, Mont., 26-16
165 lbs: D’mitrius Ballard, Temple Hills, Md., dec. Martez Jackson, Valdosta, Ga., 20-19
165 lbs: Luis Arias, Milwaukee, Wis., dec. Edgar Alvarado, San Bernadino, Calif., 20-16
165 lbs: Jesse Hart, Philadelphia, Pa., dec. Chris Pearson, Trotwood, Ohio, 18-6
165 lbs: Antoine Douglas, Burke, Va., dec. Damarius Russell, Minneapolis, Minn., 26-14
201 lbs: Joseph Williams, Queens, N.Y., dec. Charles Blackwell, Tucson, Ariz., 22-8
201 lbs: Jordan Shimmell, Hudsonville, Mich., dec. Robert Jekabson, Chicago, Ill., 24-15
201 lbs: Michael Hunter, Las Vegas, Nev., dec. Andrew Tabiti, Las Vegas, Nev., 24-12
201 lbs: Steve Geffrard, Boca Raton, Fla., dec. James Shorter, Elkhart, Ind., 24-22

[teasy24]

Hard doing this on my phone, I need my computer! Cool fact I just found out: Rather and Hamm were both standout football players and Hamm tried out for Saints! Close fight, Rather just won.

[NYAmateur90]

Thanks teasy24!

I still say at 152 its gonna come down to Amir Imam and Errol Spence...165 either Jesse Hart or Luis Arias, and at 178 either Marcus Browne or Jerry Odom...

Anyone know why Gary A. Russell III was DQ'd???


I was pretty shocked that Kenneth Sims beat Erick DeLeon by a wide margin...Sims said he shudda got the nod when they fought before...guess he wasn't playin no games this time around...

[teasy24]

Yeah your only miss was Plant vs. Spencer. Simms is good, but Ramirez is really really good, and I believe Gold Medal good!

[NYAmateur90]

Yeah your only miss was Plant vs. Spencer. Simms is good, but Ramirez is really really good, and I believe Gold Medal good!

Lol yea we'll see...I hope some of the bouts in this tourney are broadcasted on the website or put up on YouTube...

I'm just pullin for my fellow New Yorkers....lol

[champion]

simms got beat in national golden gloves no ifs ands or buts ..but he won today i think deleon was trying to hurt him with one punch and got outscored simms is fast but dont hit hard , deleon is slower more pro style well see

[NYAmateur90]

Monday’s Bout Sheets
1 p.m. session

108 lbs/winners bracket: Marco Rangel, Scottsdale, Ariz., vs. Eros Correa, San Jose, Calif.

108 lbs/winners bracket: Gregory Outlaw, Glenarden, Md., vs. Louie Byrd, Denver, Colo.

108 lbs/challengers bracket: David Carlton, Cincinnati, Ohio vs. Norberto Torres, Orlando, Fla.

108 lbs/challengers bracket: Santos Vasquez, Sparks, Nev., vs. Michael Benedosso, Fort Carson, Colo.

123 lbs/winners bracket: Joseph Diaz, Jr., El Monte, Calif., vs. Luis Feliciano, Milwaukee, Wis.

123 lbs/winners bracket: O’Shanique Foster, Orange, Texas vs. Tramaine Williams, New Haven, Conn.

123 lbs/challengers bracket: Joe Perez, Fountain, Colo., vs. Isaac Torres, Mission, Texas

123 lbs/challengers bracket: Antonio Nieves, Cleveland, Ohio vs. Joet Gonzalez, Glendora, Calif.

141 lbs/challengers bracket: George Rincon, Carrollton, Texas vs. Gary Allen Russell III, Capitol Heights, Md.

141 lbs/challengers bracket: Duran Caferro, Helena, Mont., vs. Thomas Duquette, Waltham, Mass.

141 lbs/winners bracket: Semajay Thomas, Chicago, Ill., vs. Pedro Sosa, Bronx, N.Y.

141 lbs/winners bracket: Michael Reed, Waldorf, Md., vs. Jamel Herring, Camp Lejeune, N.C.

165 lbs/winners bracket: Jesse Hart, Philadelphia, Pa., vs. D’Mitrius Ballard, Temple Hills, Md.

165 lbs/winners bracket: Antoine Douglas, Burke, Va., vs. Luis Arias, Milwaukee, Wis.

165 lbs/challengers bracket: Chris Pearson, Trotwood, Ohio vs. Martez Jackson, Valdosta, Ga.

165 lbs/challengers bracket: Damarius Russell, Camp Lejeune, N.C., vs. Edgar Alvarado, San Bernadino, Calif.

201 lbs/winners bracket: Jordan Shimmell, Hudsonville, Mich., vs. Joseph Williams, Bronx, N.Y.

201 lbs/winners bracket: Michael Hunter, Las Vegas, Nev., vs. Steve Geffrard, Boca Raton, Fla.

201 lbs/challengers bracket: Robert Jekabson, Chicago, Ill., vs. Charles Blackwell, Tucson, Ariz.

201 lbs/challengers bracket: James Shorter, Elkhart, Ind., vs. Andrew Tabiti, Las Vegas, Nev.

6 p.m. Session

114 lbs/winners bracket: Rau’shee Warren, Cincinnati, Ohio vs. Stephon Young, St. Louis, Mo.

114 lbs/winners bracket: Shawn Simpson, Chicago, Ill., vs. Oscar Cantu, Kingsville, Texas

114 lbs/challengers bracket: John Franklin, Fort Carson, Colo., vs. Gabriel Montoya, Rock Springs, Wyo.

114 lbs/challengers bracket: Emilio Sanchez, Pacoima, Calif., vs. Adam Lopez, San Antonio, Texas

132 lbs/winners bracket: Jose Ramirez, Avenal, Calif., vs Kenneth Sims, Jr., Chicago, Ill.

132 lbs/winners bracket: Raynell Williams, Cleveland, Ohio vs. Toka Kahn Clary, Providence, R.I.

132 lbs/challengers bracket: Toribio Ramirez, Bowling Green, Fla., vs. Erick DeLeon, Lincoln Park, Mich.

132 lbs/challengers bracket: Damon Allen, Philadelphia, Pa., vs. Luis Cruz, Bronx, N.Y.

152 lbs/winners bracket: Errol Spence, Desoto, Texas vs. Bryant Perrella, Lehigh Acres, Fla.

152 lbs/winners bracket: Arturo Trujillo, Easton, Pa., vs. Amir Imam, Albany, N.Y.

152 lbs/challengers bracket: Samuel Vasquez, Fort Carson, Colo., vs. Regis Prograis, Houston, Texas

152 lbs/challengers bracket: Willie Jones, Charlotte, N.C., vs. Luis Olivares, Glendale, Ariz.

178 lbs/winners bracket: Jeffery Spencer, Fort Carson, Colo., vs. Marcus Browne, Staten Island, N.Y.

178 lbs/winners bracket: Sijuola Shabazz, Las Cruces, N.M., vs. Shaborn Ryals, Capitol Heights, Md.

178 lbs/challengers bracket: Caleb Plant, Ashland City, Tenn., vs. Sean Bettencourt, Stoughton, Mass.

178 lbs/challengers bracket: Robert Brant, Oakdale, Minn., vs. Shaborn Ryals, Capitol Heights, Md.

201+ lbs/winners bracket: Brett Rather, Las Vegas, Nev., vs. Andrew Shepherd, Fort Carson, Colo.

201+ lbs/winners bracket: Dominic Breazale, Alhambra, Calif., vs. Lenroy Thompson, Lenexa, Kansas

201+ lbs/challengers bracket: Jonathan Hamm, St. Paul, Minn., vs. O’Jayland Brown, Sacramento, Calif.

201+ lbs/challengers bracket: Donovan Dennis, Davenport, Iowa, vs. Laron Mitchell, San Francisco, Calif.

I bolded who I thought would win...feel free to follow my lead...

[boxmel]

141 lbs/challengers bracket: George Rincon, Carrollton, Texas vs. Gary Allen Russell III, Capitol Heights, Md.

How did Russell end up in the Challengers bracket if he was DQ'ed from the Champions bracket in his first bout????

[teasy24]

I'll pick 10, one in each weight class, that I think will be the closest competition.

108 lbs/winners bracket: Gregory Outlaw, Glenarden, Md., vs. Louie Byrd, Denver, Colo.
123 lbs/challengers bracket: Antonio Nieves, Cleveland, Ohio vs. Joet Gonzalez, Glendora, Calif.
141 lbs/winners bracket: Semajay Thomas, Chicago, Ill., vs. Pedro Sosa, Bronx, N.Y.
165 lbs/winners bracket: Jesse Hart, Philadelphia, Pa., vs. D’Mitrius Ballard, Temple Hills, Md.
201 lbs/winners bracket: Michael Hunter, Las Vegas, Nev., vs. Steve Geffrard, Boca Raton, Fla. (but I still think Geffrard wins the trials)
114 lbs/winners bracket: Shawn Simpson, Chicago, Ill., vs. Oscar Cantu, Kingsville, Texas
132 lbs/winners bracket: Jose Ramirez, Avenal, Calif., vs Kenneth Sims, Jr., Chicago, Ill.
152 lbs/winners bracket: Arturo Trujillo, Easton, Pa., vs. Amir Imam, Albany, N.Y.
178 lbs/winners bracket: Sijuola Shabazz, Las Cruces, N.M., vs. Jerry Odom, Bowie, Md.
201+ lbs/winners bracket: Dominic Breazale, Alhambra, Calif., vs. Lenroy Thompson, Lenexa, Kansas

[DCAmateurBoxing]

141 lbs/challengers bracket: George Rincon, Carrollton, Texas vs. Gary Allen Russell III, Capitol Heights, Md.

How did Russell end up in the Challengers bracket if he was DQ'ed from the Champions bracket in his first bout????

If you are DQ'd from a bout in double elimination isn't that just counted as one loss? Tha't surprised me too until I thougth about it. I don't think you would be DQ'd from the tournament right? If it's a "medical" DQ technically and you have another bout I would think you can box if you are "cleared" which in this case is listed as a medical and I'm not sure if there was some other "injury" that didn't allow him to box since it just says medical DQ. I don't think the rules allow you to treat that any differently than an injury.

Sect 107.15 (l) A boxer who is greater than two pounds over the weigh limit is disqualified without further recourse.

Again, the rulebook is so vague that can be taken as he or she is disqualified from that bout they were weighing in for an not a double-elimination tournament where losing a bout doesn't put you out of the tournament. Since the rulebook doesn't say explicitly anything about being disqualified from a double elimination tournament, they have to let him keep boxing. I bet there are many rules that don't consider the double elimination situation that may come up. For example, I what about a RSC(H). An RSC should not have an H only if it wasn't due to head blows, but if it is an RSC(H) that's a 30 day restriction, so is that boxer out? Again, it doesn't matter in any other setting becuase he or she lost anyway, but in double elimination, that would put you out of the tournament.

[boxmel]

If you are DQ'd from a bout in double elimination isn't that just counted as one loss?

Not that I know of. A DQ is a DQ and is a loss. So Gary was DQ'd for medical reasons? That usually means the doctor doesn't think you can compete - period.

Sect 107.15 (l) A boxer who is greater than two pounds over the weigh limit is disqualified without further recourse

If a boxer is DQ'd because he was greater than two pounds over, he is out of the tournament and has no recourse. He certainly isn't put into the Challenger's bracket - that's totally against the rules.

Again, the rulebook is so vague that can be taken as he or she is disqualified from that bout they were weighing in for an not a double-elimination tournament where losing a bout doesn't put you out of the tournament.

In a tournament situation, he is out of the tournament. Boxer's weigh in their weight class and if they don't make it, they are out. It is not on a bout-by-bout basis.

Since the rulebook doesn't say explicitly anything about being disqualified from a double elimination tournament,

There shouldn't be a different set of rules for a double elimination tournament. That would really open up a can of worms. You don't make weight on the initial weigh in, you're out!

they have to let him keep boxing.

No, they don't.

For example, I what about a RSC(H). An RSC should not have an H only if it wasn't due to head blows, but if it is an RSC(H) that's a 30 day restriction, so is that boxer out?

Yes. If a boxer loses due to head blows, no one in their right mind would allow him to box in that same tournament again, or for 30 days. If a boxer loses on a RSC, he is also out of the tournament. The only boxers being put in the Challenger's bracket are those who lose by points in the Champions bracket.

[teasy24]

Lets just take a look what has happened when it comes down to it. Gary Russell was DQ'd because he was over two pounds heavy, therefore he lost the first match. They would put him in the challengers bracket just like everybody else who lost, but, because of the DQ, he should not be able to move into the challengers bracket. However, by putting him there, two things can happen, George Rincon can win on walkover, meaning they just put Russell's name there because no matter what Rincon was going to advance, or the other situation is that they let him continue and make the weight dismorning. I'm not sure if that's the case.

But, they have not followed their own rules so far anyways. Last year, if you remember John Franklin was stopped by Miguel Cartagena. Franklin was knocked down by a straight left, and he got up, wobbled a bit, had shaky legs so the ref stopped it. He was then able to box the very next day against Adam Lopez. I do understand this may not be an 'H' because he got up, but head blows was definitely the cause to him being stopped (pretty much KO'd). He beat Adam Lopez the next day. The other rule they have not followed was that they would take the boxer who lost to the champion in the quarterfinals of the USA Champs if they had remaining spots available. 114 and 178 both had only 7 boxers in the tourney, they decided to put Lopez into the tournament after he placed 5th, losing to John Franklin. Then, at 178 Marquice Weston lost to Jesse Hart, placing him 5th, only to see Robert Brant be submitted into the tournament, who placed 15th at the USA's. So, unless USAB decided to just hand out an at-large bid to Lopez and Brant, they both were put into the tournament two different ways. Anyhow, the Russell weight issue can easily be overlooke by USAB, because they want the USA boxers to have a chance in this tournament (Lopez, Brant, Russell).

[boxmel]

Lets just take a look what has happened when it comes down to it. Gary Russell was DQ'd because he was over two pounds heavy, therefore he lost the first match. They would put him in the challengers bracket just like everybody else who lost, but, because of the DQ, he should not be able to move into the challengers bracket

No, he didn't "lose the first match." He wasn't IN ANY match because he didn't make weight! In my opinion, putting him in the Challenger's bracket is total BS. The mere fact he came in overweight tells me he didn't give a rats ass and, therefore, should not be given a second chance to make the U.S. Olympic team. I can guarantee if he does and doesn't make weight at the Americas qualifiers, he won't be given another chance and we will have one less weight class representing us.

[teasy24]

No, he didn't "lose the first match." He wasn't IN ANY match because he didn't make weight!

No, don't try to sit here and quote me, you know what I mean. A DQ is a loss, he lost. It was a match, his name was on the bout sheet.

The mere fact he came in overweight tells me he didn't give a rats ass and, therefore, should not be given a second chance to make the U.S. Olympic team.

I guess you think the same about his brother three years ago when he lost consciousness in his dorm room trying to make weight?

[DCAmateurBoxing]

To me the rule doesn't say that he's out of the tournament and we'll see if any RSC boxers are allowed to continue. If they don't follow the rules and put an H, that won't even matter. The rules are vague and even under arbitration (last year's USA handwrap issue) they don't hold up because of the language used. For those that don't recall last year the length of gause on a boxer's hands was challenged and because the rule said "No more than" and didn't have a minimum amount of gause required, an arbitrator said the whole rule isn't clear.

I guess we will see if he boxes but I agree with both of you in that 1) the spirt of the tourney is to put our best boxers there but also 2) you need to come in on weight and I have no idea what happened.

[boxmel]

I guess you think the same about his brother three years ago when he lost consciousness in his dorm room trying to make weight?

I don't ever want to have any of our boxers hurt for any reason - but, yes. Probably the person at fault was his coach for not making sure he was on weight to start with. However, the athletes need to be taught what is correct and what isn't. They should know enough to watch their weight and not be put in the position of having to force weight down just before a tournament.

Re Gary Allen Russell:

I guess we will see if he boxes

I found out that the DQ was considered a loss in his first bout and dropped him to the Challenger's bracket. I still think this is pure BS. I also found out that he didn't show up for weigh ins today, so he's definitely out of the tournament. At this point, I don't think that's any loss to USAB.

[teasy24]

I do agree with you on that boxmel, about the boxers watching their weight. Now to the fights - Byrd and Correa won. Joet also won. And Perez topped Torres, rematch from Last Chance tournament

[teasy24]

One of the more talked about fighters on this website just got upset, Tre Williams from NE. Foster beat him. And as Mel stated and I thought would happen, Rincon won on walkover. Reed's fight with the marine guy and then Arias/Douglas (could be fight of the day) about to start.

[boxmel]

Joet also won

I am really glad to hear this. Joet is one of my LBC boxers and a great kid. Don't know if he has the maturity yet for the 2012 Olympics and if he doesn't make it this year, I'd like to see him stick around to 2016.

[teasy24]

Reed lost, Thomas lost. Herring vs. Sosa Wednesday for spot in the finals. Reed and Thomas have to go through the challengers bracket now.

[teasy24]

To report on Herring/Reed, both hold their hands tight and high. I would have liked to see the score of this fight when it comes out. 15 points for each fighter is my guess lol ... I would have also liked to see this fight on the old scoring system. DC probably would hate it, probably a score of 2-1 on the old system!

[DCAmateurBoxing]

To report on Herring/Reed, both hold their hands tight and high. I would have liked to see the score of this fight when it comes out. 15 points for each fighter is my guess lol ... I would have also liked to see this fight on the old scoring system. DC probably would hate it, probably a score of 2-1 on the old system!

Mike's footwork is to good to lockup and stand. Are they posting the scores live at end of rounds? I'm comig down tomorrow so I"ll be able to see him in action.

Can't believe O'Shanique beat Midget. How did that look? My money is still on Midget and that they may end up seeing each other Saturday night.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

[quote="teasy24"]One of the more talked about fighters on this website just got upset, Tre Williams from NE. Foster beat him. And as Mel stated and I thought would happen, Rincon won on walkover.[quote] It wasn't for the reason you thought. Russell was goingto be allowed to box. They didn't just put his name on there, he was going to box. Guess it doesn't matter now. Did you watch the Foster Williams bout? What did it look like? This is why I love the double elimination! A boxer gets a 2nd chance.

[box_NYC]

Heard sosa and Thomas fight was good..Thomas gave Pedro sosa an undeserved 8 count then Pedro came back and dropped him..then sosa hit him with a hard right and knocked his mouthpiece out...don't know the final score but sosa was the victor

[teasy24]

He lost 19-17. Williams' hand speed is by far faster, but he didn't throw much from the outside, where as Foster, who is a big featherweight, could jab his way in and land a long, hard right hook. I think Diaz wins the 123's, but I agree Williams is one of the best, the second best boxer IMO, in this division and probably will win his way into the finals.

I too love double elimination, upsets are great and all, but it is very hard to upset a man twice, they must be better than that guy in order to win this tournament and that is great!

Hart and Douglas punished their opponents. First session is over.