USA Olympic Trials - Men's Boxing

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Any good links to coverage or photos of the bouts from day 2 on? Seems like the coverage dropped off after the first day of bouts.

A few surprises, close decisions and comebacks. Surprised to see Jekabson's stoppage of Blackwell and he sounded like he was a little dismissive of his first bout loss to Shimmell.

The situation with Russell is really bizarre...anyone know how much overweight he was?

USAB has prohibited publishing ANY photos or video for the trials. Another example of how you garner support for a sport that is trying to make a comeback.

Hey DC I know they're really strict about publishing fights online which is cool but did you record any this week?

I just got here today and I'll be getting what I can. I'll make sure I get yours and give you a copy if you want.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I heard from a coach I spoke to this afternoon that winners of these trials must qualify for Olympics through World Championships (Top8) and if they fail to, then the winners of next years USA's get to try via the America's Cup. If this is true, then why are these called the Olympic Trials? Someone please confirm or shoot this down.

Yep they told us all the same thing day one and the excuse was to keep the boxers active or something but of course there was an outcry afterwards with the same exact thing you just said "why are these called the olympic trials" "what are we fighting for then?" I hope that rule eventually changes though...

I was hoping that wasn't true. I just don't get it. I just don't get it. Am I the only one that feels like this is the beyond disappointing and unfair?

[Jamel]

USAB has prohibited publishing ANY photos or video for the trials. Another example of how you garner support for a sport that is trying to make a comeback.

Hey DC I know they're really strict about publishing fights online which is cool but did you record any this week?

I just got here today and I'll be getting what I can. I'll make sure I get yours and give you a copy if you want.

Thanks I'd appreciate that

[Jamel]

I heard from a coach I spoke to this afternoon that winners of these trials must qualify for Olympics through World Championships (Top8) and if they fail to, then the winners of next years USA's get to try via the America's Cup. If this is true, then why are these called the Olympic Trials? Someone please confirm or shoot this down.

Yep they told us all the same thing day one and the excuse was to keep the boxers active or something but of course there was an outcry afterwards with the same exact thing you just said "why are these called the olympic trials" "what are we fighting for then?" I hope that rule eventually changes though...

I was hoping that wasn't true. I just don't get it. I just don't get it. Am I the only one that feels like this is the beyond disappointing and unfair?

No by FAR your not the only one who feels this is unfair...

[boxmel]

Another 108lbs. boxer weighed in with all his clothes on. Didn't make weight either.

Please don't tell me they actually allowed a boxer to weigh in clothed! The more exceptions to the rules, the harder it is to adhere to them.

I heard from a coach I spoke to this afternoon that winners of these trials must qualify for Olympics through World Championships (Top 8) and if they fail to, then the winners of next years USA's get to try via the America's Cup. If this is true, then why are these called the Olympic Trials? Someone please confirm or shoot this down.

The event is called the Olympic Team Trials because it determines the TEAM for the U.S. Because there are only a certain number of slots available for each weight class in the Olympics, AIBA weeds the numbers down by having three qualifiers before you can even go to the Olympics. The World Championships is the first, I don't know where the other two will be held - probably somewhere on the American Continent. The IOC is the body who determines the number of athletes and non-athletes allowed in each sport.

[Jamel]

Santos Vasquez won on DQ (no show)
Emilio Sanchez won over Stephon Young 23-22
Luis Feliciano won over Joet Gonzalez 14-12
David Carlton won over Gregory Outlaw 15-11
Oscar Cantu won over John Frankling in a tie breaker (15-15) 78-73

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Bryant perellanwon 11-10
Toka Kahn cleary 20-19
Tramaine Williams won 15-8
Ken Simms won 31-16
George rincon won 23-23 (110-108)

[Jamel]

Tremaine Williams wins over Joe Perez( 15-8)
Kennith Sims Jr. wins over Louis Cruz (31-16)
Duran Caferro wins by walk over
Toka Khan Clary wins over Eric DeLeon (20-19) explosive bout!
Bryan Perrella wins over Willie Jones (11-10)
George Rincon wins over Michael Reed tie breaker (20-20) 110-108 SHOCKER!

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Alvarado over Ballard 26-24

[teasy24]

Rangel DQ'd, I think he hurt his hand so Vasquez and Carlton will go at it tomorrow night. Was really looking forward to seeing Franklin vs. Young but I'll have to settle for Sanchez/Cantu since they both won. Same for Thomas/Reed as they both lost today, Thomas didn't make weight, Reed just lost to the underrated Rincon from Texas. Rincon a southpaw keeps his hands tight and explodes when his opponents throw punches, great style to beat a slick fighter like Reed. Ballard just lost to Edgar Alvarado.

[teasy24]

Vasquez! He just beat Trujillo to continue. I'm looking forward to seeing him and Imam fight if everything falls into place.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Vasquez over trujillio
Spencer over ryals 12-11

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Arias def Pearson 16-16 tie breaker. (I didnt agree with this!!)

[teasy24]

Me either and I was rooting for Arias. Rincon, Cantu and Arias have to be thanking the new scoring system right now that allows the tie breakers to count so high otherwise who knows what would have happened, they may still have won though lol

[Jamel]

With all these tie-breakers tonight we might as well go back to clickers lol

[teasy24]

Lol tie breaker #4 I believe ... Shabazz def. Plant, that was a good one!

[teasy24]

About done here and one more day til the medal rounds. Good luck to the guys left! It's gonna be good!

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Tremaine Williams wins over Joe Perez( 15-8)
Kennith Sims Jr. wins over Louis Cruz (31-16)
Duran Caferro wins by walk over
Toka Khan Clary wins over Eric DeLeon (20-19) explosive bout!
Bryan Perrella wins over Willie Jones (11-10)
George Rincon wins over Michael Reed tie breaker (20-20) 110-108 SHOCKER!

there's no way I agree with that raw score. Just no. when I heard tie breaker, I just knew we had it. that last round was 110% Reed and I have to find out what the count was after 2nd.

Anyway, good luck Jamel. I hope you win it all now, man.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

I also thought that Pearson clearly beat Arias. That was the biggest crowd disapproval of the night.

[Jamel]

Tremaine Williams wins over Joe Perez( 15-8)
Kennith Sims Jr. wins over Louis Cruz (31-16)
Duran Caferro wins by walk over
Toka Khan Clary wins over Eric DeLeon (20-19) explosive bout!
Bryan Perrella wins over Willie Jones (11-10)
George Rincon wins over Michael Reed tie breaker (20-20) 110-108 SHOCKER!

there's no way I agree with that raw score. Just no. when I heard tie breaker, I just knew we had it. that last round was 110% Reed and I have to find out what the count was after 2nd.

Anyway, good luck Jamel. I hope you win it all now, man.

Thanks DC and I thought Mike had that in the bag, I didn't even see it going to a tie breaker to begin with and even then I felt he was more busier...

[JMac]

Why did Rather get DQ'd at 201+? Seems like a lot of DQ's. I hope the ref's aren't thinking fans came to see them.

[Jamel]

Why did Rather get DQ'd at 201+? Seems like a lot of DQ's. I hope the ref's aren't thinking fans came to see them.

They said medical purposes

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Why did Rather get DQ'd at 201+? Seems like a lot of DQ's. I hope the ref's aren't thinking fans came to see them.

No, I haven't seen that. Most seem to be non-ref related like medicals where a boxer can't compete. I can tell you that some of the decisions I haven't agreed with but the bouts have been very very close so most have been decided by the final round. Not seeing the scores live really has changed amateurs because the last round has been fiercely competed instead of a boxer just running to keep the lead which is what it was in the past. As far as making the bouts more enjoyable and entertainment, I give the new ESS two thumbs up!!! I love it.

[boxmel]

Not seeing the scores live really has changed amateurs because the last round has been fiercely competed instead of a boxer just running to keep the lead which is what it was in the past. As far as making the bouts more enjoyable and entertainment, I give the new ESS two thumbs up!!! I love it.

Yeah, Cullen! Amen on the no longer running syndrome and thanks for the positive kudos for the new ESS. I've noticed that there are very close scores and more tie breakers than in the past. I'm just hoping this means the bouts have been good and competitive.

Hope to see you at PAL!

[DCAmateurBoxing]

The event is called the Olympic Team Trials because it determines the TEAM for the U.S. Because there are only a certain number of slots available for each weight class in the Olympics, AIBA weeds the numbers down by having three qualifiers before you can even go to the Olympics. The World Championships is the first, I don't know where the other two will be held - probably somewhere on the American Continent. The IOC is the body who determines the number of athletes and non-athletes allowed in each sport.

I get that but if a boxer wins the team trial why isn't that boxer given all the chances allowed to qualify for the Olympics? Why does a US Olympic Team member have to lose an opportunity to qualify for the Olympics after only one attempt (World Championship)? That's what I think is unfair. Over the next year, USAB's job that is layed out for them is to take that time to prepare our boxers for the Olympics. So, if next year's US National Champion is given an opportunity, we could have a boxer win the US Nationals and then qualify in the America's cup which won't even have the top world boxers there because many of them would have qualified for the Olympics already. Why not give that chance to the the US Team member who has been training for the past year (at the point of the US Nationals and the following qualifier?).

The only thing that I can think is that we have to have an alternate qualify in case our US team member is unavailable, but if that's the case I think the alternate should also come from the US Team trials.

Another question is the age for Olympic qualification was based on Sept. 2011 I believe allowing 16 years olds to participate in the PAL this year, so if USAB is saying that now US National Champions from next year will be allowed to compete to qualify for the Olympics in the America's Cup --- that means you may be 16 and 9 months at next years US Nationals (since it will be considered another Olympic-geared event). So those boxers would be only 15 years old now, right and they may potentially be able to technically be in the London Olympics?

What do you think?