USA Olympic Trials - Men's Boxing

[coachingGOLD]

108 has been to watch with all the flip flopping. Thought Louie would win wed but that didnt happen. Louie will need to fight smart again Santos tonight. Louie isnt strong enough to bully Santos and will need to fight Santos more smart than macho to get win which should and could be easy win tonight if he is smart. Either way I see Eros taking this tournament at this point. I seen Eros beat Santos @ 2010 US champsionships but didnt get the decision. I dont see Eros losing twice at this point. Eros has improved fight per fight since last year. 108 would have been fun if Deigo Hurtado decided to show up...he might have took this easy enough this time.

Lenroy, Hunter, Warren, Hart looking strong.

Raynell still has a shot get it but Rameriz is sure solid...it wont be easy.

Good Luck Fighters and Coaches. God Bless!

[teasy24]

I was 8-2 on predictions last night and took a big hit with Geffrard losing. I think he hurt himself by not being active this year and he just didn't look sharp last night. With that said, Joseph Williams still deserves all the credit for the win.

Tonight: Byrd, Simpson, Williams, Williams, Sosa, Imam, Douglas, Shabazz, Shimmell and Mitchell I am picking. All fights should be good!

[teasy24]

Well, nevermind anything that was said about Louie Byrd.

[NYAmateur90]

Bout 2: Shawn Simpson def Emilio Sanchez 21-15

Looks like Shawn and Raushee will do battle again...

[teasy24]

It will be their third fight. Warren beats him pretty good the first two, probably the same in the third. Also, Diaz has this in the bag as he will rematch Foster.

[NYAmateur90]

Bout 4: Raynell Williams def Toka Kahn Clary 37-28

I'm sure it was a good fight...Raynell is on his way to making the team again...still a long road tho

[NYAmateur90]

108 lbs: Santos Vasquez, Sparks, Nev., dec. Louie Byrd, Denver, Colo., 33-29
114 lbs: Shawn Simpson, Chicago, Ill., dec. Emilio Sanchez, Pacoima, Calif., 21-15
123 lbs: O'Shanique Foster, Orange, Texas, dec. Tramaine Williams, New Haven, Conn., 19-13

[NYAmateur90]

Bout 5: Pedro Sosa def Duran Caferro 22-12

[teasy24]

Shabazz! He looked great, still has a shot at Baku now. Arias and Imam won.

[boxmel]

Jordan Shimmell lost to Joseph Williams, 12-10 and Laron Mitchell won over Andrew Shepherd on a medical DQ.

[NYAmateur90]

Thursday, August 4 - Challengers Bracket
108 lbs: Santos Vasquez, Sparks, Nev., dec. Louie Byrd, Denver, Colo., 33-29
114 lbs: Shawn Simpson, Chicago, Ill., dec. Emilio Sanchez, Pacoima, Calif., 21-15
123 lbs: O'Shanique Foster, Orange, Texas, dec. Tramaine Williams, New Haven, Conn., 19-13
132 lbs: Raynell Williams, Cleveland, Ohio, dec. Toka Khan Clary, Providence, R.I., 37-28
141 lbs: Pedro Sosa, Bronx, N.Y., dec. Duran Caferro, Helena, Mont., 22-12
152 lbs: Amir Imam, Albany, N.Y., dec. Samuel Vasquez, Fort Carson, Colo., 31-23
165 lbs: Luis Arias, Milwaukee, Wis. dec. Antoine Douglas, Burke, Va., 14-10
178 lbs: Siju Shabazz, Las Cruces, N.M., dec. Jerry Odom, Bowie, Md., 36-31
201 lbs: Joseph Williams, Far Rockaway, N.Y., dec. Jordan Shimmell, Hudsonville, Mich., 12-10
201+ lbs: Laron Mitchell, San Francisco, Calif., won on walkover over, Andrew Shepherd, Fort Carson, Colo., W/O

Crazy how Louie Byrd was the talk at 108 for such a long time and won't be on the Team most likely...for tomorrow I like

123- Diaz Jr.
132- Raynell Williams
141- Sosa
152- Spence
165- Hart
178- Browne
201- Hunter
201+ Thompson

I think Raynell and Pedro Sosa could win tomorrow but hard for me to pick them to win two in a row...I think Imam could beat Spence tomorrow as well but I highly doubt it would happen twice...especially with having no off days...

[DCAmateurBoxing]

Crazy how Louie Byrd was the talk at 108 for such a long time and won't be on the Team most likely...

Santos is a physically strong boxer. That seemed to be the difference, but don't count Louie out just yet. I think there is still going to be some chances for some guys who don't win this week to get there. Mark my words.

I think Raynell and Pedro Sosa could win tomorrow but hard for me to pick them to win two in a row...I think Imam could beat Spence tomorrow as well but I highly doubt it would happen twice...especially with having no off days...

I've seen the challengers bracket take its toll especially today in several case where boxers had tough bouts yesterday and they just didn't seem to have anything left today. That two days off for the boxers who haven't lost is a HUGE advantage tomorrow. It's why only three boxers have ever come from the challengers bracket, but if they win tomorrow it just comes down to one fight and I think heart will play a big part.

[champion]

i guess king louie is no more now its gonna be king santos or king eros!

[boxfan21]

...evryone should be humble and not pop off people get tired of braggarts

[boxmel]

thank god princess louie will shut her big mouth now!!! ... as a pro she will fight orientals for straw titles!! 150.00 per fight and 2000 dollars for title fight1

I take it you don't care for Louie. However, I don't think he deserves your comment. Shows you definitely don't have any class or compassion. Louie has worked very hard to become an elite athlete since the age of 10 and I think he's done a good job. People in glass houses......

[scallum]

thank god princess louie will shut her big mouth now!!! ... as a pro she will fight orientals for straw titles!! 150.00 per fight and 2000 dollars for title fight1

Yea man why all the hate? I don't know Louie but all these kids have worked really hard n made tremendous sacrifices to get to this level. I hope all of theses kids continue living their dreams n reach the top

[DCAmateurBoxing]

thank god princess louie will shut her big mouth now!!! ... as a pro she will fight orientals for straw titles!! 150.00 per fight and 2000 dollars for title fight1

I take it you don't care for Louie. However, I don't think he deserves your comment. Shows you definitely don't have any class or compassion. Louie has worked very hard to become an elite athlete since the age of 10 and I think he's done a good job. People in glass houses......

I was just going to ignore. Someone makes a profile for one comment. Obviously Louie beat you or your boxer and if you knew anything about boxing you would know that both Santos and Correa are both good boxers too.

[teasy24]

At the USA's somebody asked me if the new scoring system changed the fights and I said no that all it did was make higher point totals and that the fighters that won would have won on any scoring system. But now I think that it affected Byrd more than anybody. What happened to him this week definitely erases any thought that his performance last month was was not good becasue he was sick, unless he's still sick.

Crazy how Louie Byrd was the talk at 108 for such a long time and won't be on the Team most likely...

Santos is a physically strong boxer. That seemed to be the difference, but don't count Louie out just yet. I think there is still going to be some chances for some guys who don't win this week to get there. Mark my words.

I doubt it, I think he'll go pro now.

[teasy24]

I think two fights tonight will belong to the Challenger's Bracket guys: 141 and 178. Don't know if Sosa can win two fights in a row against Herring though, but I do feel Shabazz will go to Baku. The rest, I think they will head to Baku.

[burnscs]

Maybe someone can help me out here I'm a little confused. I keep hearing people say don't count this or that guy out from the Olympics even though they have been eliminated from the Olympic trials. Is there another way in besides representing a different country? Is it that they win at a World Qualifier and the Olympic Trials winner doesn't? I have coached at national open tournaments and coached Silver Glove National Champions and I'm not new to this, but this still confuses me!

[teasy24]

Maybe someone can help me out here I'm a little confused. I keep hearing people say don't count this or that guy out from the Olympics even though they have been eliminated from the Olympic trials. Is there another way in besides representing a different country? Is it that they win at a World Qualifier and the Olympic Trials winner doesn't? I have coached at national open tournaments and coached Silver Glove National Champions and I'm not new to this, but this still confuses me!

Our try to help you out. The 10 that win here advance to the World Championships. If the 108-178 pounders make it to the quarterfinals or if they make it to the third round and lose to the top 2 at the World Champs, they advance to the Olympics in London (so top 10 go). If the 201 and super heavy advance to semis or lose to top 2 in the quarters they advance to the Olympics (so top 6 go), I think. If they don't advance, they must come back and win the USA Championships next in March to be able to advance to London through the Americas Qualifiers. If they lose at the USA's, somebody else will take their place and go to Brazil in April, as that is where the America Quailifiers will be held. I think you must make the semifinals at the Qualifiers to go to the Olympics, not sure on that yet.

So yes, everybody still has a shot as long as they are eligible, pretty much meaning they met the age determination and they are a US citizen.

[burnscs]

Maybe someone can help me out here I'm a little confused. I keep hearing people say don't count this or that guy out from the Olympics even though they have been eliminated from the Olympic trials. Is there another way in besides representing a different country? Is it that they win at a World Qualifier and the Olympic Trials winner doesn't? I have coached at national open tournaments and coached Silver Glove National Champions and I'm not new to this, but this still confuses me!

Our try to help you out. The 10 that win here advance to the World Championships. If the 108-178 pounders make it to the quarterfinals or if they make it to the third round and lose to the top 2 at the World Champs, they advance to the Olympics in London (so top 10 go). If the 201 and super heavy advance to semis or lose to top 2 in the quarters they advance to the Olympics (so top 6 go), I think. If they don't advance, they must come back and win the USA Championships next in March to be able to advance to London through the Americas Qualifiers. If they lose at the USA's, somebody else will take their place and go to Brazil in April, as that is where the America Quailifiers will be held. I think you must make the semifinals at the Qualifiers to go to the Olympics, not sure on that yet.

So yes, everybody still has a shot as long as they are eligible, pretty much meaning they met the age determination and they are a US citizen.

So with our 178lb and 201lb+ 4 years ago, when they didn't qualify for the games the first time they had to comeback and re-earn a spot by winning the US Nationals? I thought they automatically got the seat at both Olympic Games Qualifiers by winning the Trials, but it is only the first Olympic Qualifier they win the bid too? Also, let's say they don't place at the first Olympic Qualifier, and place 2nd at the US Championships, does the first place person go automatically and doesn't have to win any double elimination style box-off? That wouldn't seem fair to me.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

At the USA's somebody asked me if the new scoring system changed the fights and I said no that all it did was make higher point totals and that the fighters that won would have won on any scoring system. But now I think that it affected Byrd more than anybody. What happened to him this week definitely erases any thought that his performance last month was was not good becasue he was sick, unless he's still sick.

Crazy how Louie Byrd was the talk at 108 for such a long time and won't be on the Team most likely...

Santos is a physically strong boxer. That seemed to be the difference, but don't count Louie out just yet. I think there is still going to be some chances for some guys who don't win this week to get there. Mark my words.

I doubt it, I think he'll go pro now.

He's not going pro anytime soon. Door to Olympics isn't shut just yet.

I can tell you for a fact that the new scoring system has changed the fights. We had boxer that won on 4 judges cards out of 5 (raw score) but lost the bout after the accepted score was calculated. If the judges had clickers and paper - he would have won. The tiebreaker bouts would most likely not have been tiebreakers without the calculation of the accepted score. But I guess it's moving in a direction to eliminate judges that are not inline with others, at least that's what I'm trying to convince myself.

[DCAmateurBoxing]

So with our 178lb and 201lb+ 4 years ago, when they didn't qualify for the games the first time they had to comeback and re-earn a spot by winning the US Nationals? I thought they automatically got the seat at both Olympic Games Qualifiers by winning the Trials, but it is only the first Olympic Qualifier they win the bid too? Also, let's say they don't place at the first Olympic Qualifier, and place 2nd at the US Championships, does the first place person go automatically and doesn't have to win any double elimination style box-off? That wouldn't seem fair to me.

They didn't have to. Once you won the trials either you went or nobody went to the Olympics at that weight. You were able to go to all the qualifiers . . . .like Mike Hunter.

[teasy24]

Maybe someone can help me out here I'm a little confused. I keep hearing people say don't count this or that guy out from the Olympics even though they have been eliminated from the Olympic trials. Is there another way in besides representing a different country? Is it that they win at a World Qualifier and the Olympic Trials winner doesn't? I have coached at national open tournaments and coached Silver Glove National Champions and I'm not new to this, but this still confuses me!

Our try to help you out. The 10 that win here advance to the World Championships. If the 108-178 pounders make it to the quarterfinals or if they make it to the third round and lose to the top 2 at the World Champs, they advance to the Olympics in London (so top 10 go). If the 201 and super heavy advance to semis or lose to top 2 in the quarters they advance to the Olympics (so top 6 go), I think. If they don't advance, they must come back and win the USA Championships next in March to be able to advance to London through the Americas Qualifiers. If they lose at the USA's, somebody else will take their place and go to Brazil in April, as that is where the America Quailifiers will be held. I think you must make the semifinals at the Qualifiers to go to the Olympics, not sure on that yet.

So yes, everybody still has a shot as long as they are eligible, pretty much meaning they met the age determination and they are a US citizen.

So with our 178lb and 201lb+ 4 years ago, when they didn't qualify for the games the first time they had to comeback and re-earn a spot by winning the US Nationals? I thought they automatically got the seat at both Olympic Games Qualifiers by winning the Trials, but it is only the first Olympic Qualifier they win the bid too? Also, let's say they don't place at the first Olympic Qualifier, and place 2nd at the US Championships, does the first place person go automatically and doesn't have to win any double elimination style box-off? That wouldn't seem fair to me.

4 years ago USAB had different rules, those rules being whoever won the Olympic Trials got a chance at all the qualifiers. Now the rules have changed, so yes when our 178 and 201+ won the Olympic Trials they were able to qualify at all possibilites.

With your other question, if a boxer wins the Olympic Qualifiers but does not qualify via World Championships, they must win the USA's. If they place second they will not get the chance to qualify at the America Qualifiers. It may be unfair, but this seems to be the rules now.