Hatton's all time British rating.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 14 Jul 2005, 13:48

Neri1983 wrote:Im sure Hatton is heading to greatness but for me he isnt there just yet just because he has won one major fight. Maintaining his No 1 spot for many years and defending it against worthy foes is to be done imo

I do agree if your talking world scene greatness, but you know most people call Barry McGuigan a great (domesitcally) he is in many peoples best of british top 10, but he did not do much more than what Hatton has ALREADY done.

Bladder · Post by **Bladder** » 15 Jul 2005, 05:28

stujones wrote: McLellan as good as he was had never fought at Super Middleweight before.

The Benn fight may have been his first TITLE fight at Super-Middle but he had fought above the middleweight poundage many times previously.

Southpaw Stylist · Post by **Southpaw Stylist** » 15 Jul 2005, 07:19

Hatton's already beat anyone thatn Naz ever did IMO.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Jul 2005, 07:27

Yes quite possibly, however Naz' overall level of competition was significantly better and he was a proven world class operator for longer.

One swallow doth not a summer make old boy.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 15 Jul 2005, 07:34

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yes quite possibly, however Naz' overall level of competition was significantly better and he was a proven world class operator for longer.

One swallow doth not a summer make old boy.

I would agree with this, but McGuigan, Eubank, and possibly Benn not so sure on.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Jul 2005, 07:55

It's hard to assess just how good Tszyu was when he lost to Hatton. We may never know as he will probably retire, but like Pedroza he was at the end of a long successful career, and probably not as hungry as his opponent.

Mcguigan went on to defend his belt, something Hatton has yet to do.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 15 Jul 2005, 08:08

jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's hard to assess just how good Tszyu was when he lost to Hatton. We may never know as he will probably retire, but like Pedroza he was at the end of a long successful career, and probably not as hungry as his opponent.

Mcguigan went on to defend his belt, something Hatton has yet to do.

I'm with you James , Tszyu looked pretty bad in that fight, If Tszyu keeps fighting at 140-147 and beats some good fighters then Hatton's win will look good, But if he fights again and gets totally dominated it won't look like much.
I don't think Tszyu is going to retire i heard him in an interview yesterday saying that he wants to fight again. Up until the low blow in the 9th Tszyu was coming back into the fight and he believes that It was a deliberate foul by Hatton that hurt him.
If he does continue i would like to see a rematch as i think it would be a competative fight again and at least there are no excuses for Tszyu not having fought many rounds in the last few years.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Jul 2005, 08:17

Yes, Hatton deserves credit for beating a guy who was to all intents and purposes recoginised as undisputed champ, but I'll hold fire at making him an all time top 10 great until I either see him dominate some decent opposition, or Tszyu prove he has something left.

If Hatton went on to lose his title in his next fight, which seems very unlikely right now, then he would be below Honeyghan, Hamed, Benn, based on overall quality of opposition I'd place those guys ahead of him.

With regard to the low blow, It is possible that the low blow took the wind out of his sails, it's also possible that Kostya is kidding himself and making an excuse for his running out of gas. I had Kostya winning the 3rd-7th clearly.

The sad thing is, I find it hard to see Kostya getting a rematch, I don't think Warren will be keen on it, and if he does it will have to be in Manchester, where the odds will be stacked against Tszyu again.

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 15 Jul 2005, 08:31

If Hatton were to fight and beat Mayweather before anybody else does, he would surely be well up there with the best that Britain has ever produced.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 15 Jul 2005, 08:42

fornicate yeah....

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 15 Jul 2005, 08:51

fornicate no.

I like Ricky Hatton, but I can't imagine him beating Mayweather.

Sweet P · Post by **Sweet P** » 16 Jul 2005, 03:56

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yes, Hatton deserves credit for beating a guy who was to all intents and purposes recoginised as undisputed champ, but I'll hold fire at making him an all time top 10 great until I either see him dominate some decent opposition, or Tszyu prove he has something left.

If Hatton went on to lose his title in his next fight, which seems very unlikely right now, then he would be below Honeyghan, Hamed, Benn, based on overall quality of opposition I'd place those guys ahead of him.

With regard to the low blow, It is possible that the low blow took the wind out of his sails, it's also possible that Kostya is kidding himself and making an excuse for his running out of gas. I had Kostya winning the 3rd-7th clearly.

The sad thing is, I find it hard to see Kostya getting a rematch, I don't think Warren will be keen on it, and if he does it will have to be in Manchester, where the odds will be stacked against Tszyu again.

I wonder the same thing about Tszyu whether or not he is kidding himself or he really was that hurt from the low blow. I would deffinentley love to see a rematch as i still think that if the lowblow wasn't invoved the last few rounds would have been interesting. Maybe after going 11 Tszyu will be fitter in a rematch or after such a hard fight he might be finished.