Classic American West Coast Boxing

[coach greg v]

My 85-year-young uncle hit a 3 wood in the 8th hole for an Ace at Cassville Golf Club last Saturday! It's his 5th career hole-in-one. He's a remarkable guy! I just hope I'm still able to attain a vertical posture when I'm 85 . . .

>con grads to your uncle. why did u remove ur post about o'grady

> my meds are taking over but i wanted to say good night to all u fine boxing people who made my day perfect. to u frank an drick who are filling the blanks in....

[raylawpc]

My 85-year-young uncle hit a 3 wood in the 8th hole for an Ace at Cassville Golf Club last Saturday! It's his 5th career hole-in-one. He's a remarkable guy! I just hope I'm still able to attain a vertical posture when I'm 85 . . .

>con grads to your uncle. why did u remove ur post about o'grady

Bored me when I reread it; figured it would bore everybody else too . . .

[Chuck1052]

Over the last few days, I have learned quite a bit about Baby Joe Gans, a very good black lightweight/welterweight from Los Angeles who was active during the 1920s and 1930s. After his career as a boxer ended, he ran a gym in Milwaukee and trained many Milwaukee-based boxers who were active in the amateur and professional ranks. I think that he would be a very worthy nominee for the California Boxing Hall of Fame.

- Chuck Johnston

[Rick Farris]

My 85-year-young uncle hit a 3 wood in the 8th hole for an Ace at Cassville Golf Club last Saturday! It's his 5th career hole-in-one. He's a remarkable guy! I just hope I'm still able to attain a vertical posture when I'm 85 . . .

>con grads to your uncle. why did u remove ur post about o'grady

> my meds are taking over but i wanted to say good night to all u fine boxing people who made my day perfect. to u frank an drick who are filling the blanks in....

Sleep good, pal.

[Rick Farris]

My 85-year-young uncle hit a 3 wood in the 8th hole for an Ace at Cassville Golf Club last Saturday! It's his 5th career hole-in-one. He's a remarkable guy! I just hope I'm still able to attain a vertical posture when I'm 85 . . .

>con grads to your uncle. why did u remove ur post about o'grady

Bored me when I reread it; figured it would bore everybody else too . . .

Your O'Grady stories are great. I never knew the guy, saw him a couple times when he was at the gym in L.A.
With Tony "Kid" Longoria, and Sean. I didn't know the guy so I could never form a valid opinion.
Heard a lot of crap about him. You bring him into focus.

[Cholo]

Frank, I read that Mushy Callahan, who was technical advisor on the Kid Galahad film set, said Presley had some talent. And out of all the actors he'd supervised on fight scenes he was the best, has Orlando De La Fuentes ever mentioned the film and his time working with Elvis Presley?

[kikibalt]

Frank, I read that Mushy Callahan, who was technical advisor on the Kid Galahad film set, said Presley had some talent. And out of all the actors he'd supervised on fight scenes he was the best, has Orlando De La Fuentes ever mentioned the film and his time working with Elvis Presley?

I was at Big Bear Lake when some sparring scenes were shot, I seen Orlando work with Presley, Presley could box a bit, but had Roy wanted to he could have put some hurt on the King, of course Roy was a pro so it wouldn't have being the think to do. but yes Presley could fight a bit....

[Cholo]

Frank, I read that Mushy Callahan, who was technical advisor on the Kid Galahad film set, said Presley had some talent. And out of all the actors he'd supervised on fight scenes he was the best, has Orlando De La Fuentes ever mentioned the film and his time working with Elvis Presley?

I was at Big Bear Lake when some sparring scenes were shot, I seen Orlando work with Presley, Presley could box a bit, but had Roy wanted to he could have put some hurt on the King, of course Roy was a pro so it wouldn't have being the think to do. but yes Presley could fight a bit....

Frank, Thanks for the Info buddy, Presley could take a punch too, have you seen the film Kid Galahad. Presley didn't even blink when being nailed with a big punch, great times..

[kikibalt]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056138/fullcredits

Imdb got something wrong here, it was Ray De La Fuentes who played Sugar Boy Romero and not Orland...

[kikibalt]

Frank, I read that Mushy Callahan, who was technical advisor on the Kid Galahad film set, said Presley had some talent. And out of all the actors he'd supervised on fight scenes he was the best, has Orlando De La Fuentes ever mentioned the film and his time working with Elvis Presley?

I was at Big Bear Lake when some sparring scenes were shot, I seen Orlando work with Presley, Presley could box a bit, but had Roy wanted to he could have put some hurt on the King, of course Roy was a pro so it wouldn't have being the think to do. but yes Presley could fight a bit....

Frank, Thanks for the Info buddy, Presley could take a punch too, have you seen the film Kid Galahad. Presley didn't even blink when being nailed with a big punch, great times..

[Rick Farris]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056138/fullcredits

Imdb got something wrong here, it was Ray De La Fuentes who played Sugar Boy Romero and not Orland...

I refuse to maintain an Imbd file. It's a double edge sword. Sometimes in the today's film industry, "less is more".
Too much experience is not an asset today.

[Cholo]

Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Johnny Gonsalves, July. 24, 1951
One big round, in which he almost stopped his foe, gave Art Aragon a decisive victory over Johnny Gonsalves in there ten-rounder at the Los Angeles Olympic. Whithout that lop-sided round, Aragon would still have rated an edge on his aggressiveness, for the Oaklander boxed too much on the defensive. However, toss out the fifth heat and the result might have been different, for even after that pummeling, Johnny came back to cop a couple of the remaining rounds. Gonsalves wasn't the boxing wizard he was against Rudy Cruz, although he did some beautful defensive work, causing Aragon to miss two-thirds of his punches and at times look like a rank amateur, several times he had the enraged Golden Boy lunging into the ropes and occasionaly Art would find the elusive Oaklander behind him. But Aragon kept winging and his peristence paid off in the fifth. Aragon nailed Gonsalves with a right on the jaw that sent Johnny reeling into the ropes and Art was at him with the fury of a wounded beast. Aragon rained blows on his hurt foe, who covered up as best he could, but many of the punches landed on the Oaklander's jaw and head. How that boy can withstand punishment! After 30 seconds of this pummeling, Gonsalves turned away and his head protruded outside the ropes, which prompted Referee Mushy Callahan to push Aragon aside and start counting over the Oaklander. At the count of three, Johnny turned around and put on a counter-attack that forced Aragon to give ground. The crowd yelled like mad! The all-out attack took a lot of steam out of Aragon and no doubt sapped a lot of Gonsalves' stamina, so the fight slowed down a bit in the following rounds, although they were still exciting sessions and closely contested. Aragon weighed 139, Gonsalves 137.

[kikibalt]

Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Johnny Gonsalves, July. 24, 1951
One big round, in which he almost stopped his foe, gave Art Aragon a decisive victory over Johnny Gonsalves in their ten-rounder at the Los Angeles Olympic. Whithout that lop-sided round, Aragon would still have rated an edge on his aggressiveness, for the Oaklander boxed too much on the defensive. However, toss out the fifth heat and the result might have been different, for even after that pummeling, Johnny came back to cop a couple of the remaining rounds. Gonsalves wasn't the boxing wizard he was against Rudy Cruz, although he did some beautful defensive work, causing Aragon to miss two-thirds of his punches and at times look like a rank amateur, several times he had the enraged Golden Boy lunging into the ropes and occasionaly Art would find the elusive Oaklander behind him. But Aragon kept winging and his peristence paid off in the fifth. Aragon nailed Gonsalves with a right on the jaw that sent Johnny reeling into the ropes and Art was at him with the fury of a wounded beast. Aragon rained blows on his hurt foe, who covered up as best he could, but many of the punches landed on the Oaklander's jaw and head. How that boy can withstand punishment! After 30 seconds of this pummeling, Gonsalves turned away and his head protruded outside the ropes, which prompted Referee Mushy Callahan to push Aragon aside and start counting over the Oaklander. At the count of three, Johnny turned around and put on a counter-attack that forced Aragon to give ground. The crowd yelled like mad! The all-out attack took a lot of steam out of Aragon and no doubt sapped a lot of Gonsalves' stamina, so the fight slowed down a bit in the following rounds, although they were still exciting sessions and closely contested. Aragon weighed 139, Gonsalves 137.

I was at the Olympic for this 1951 fight Paul, and I can still clearly hear the roar of the crowd as Aragon was pounding Gonsalves against the rope.

[kikibalt]

My 85-year-young uncle hit a 3 wood in the 8th hole for an Ace at Cassville Golf Club last Saturday! It's his 5th career hole-in-one. He's a remarkable guy! I just hope I'm still able to attain a vertical posture when I'm 85 . . .

[Cholo]

Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Johnny Gonsalves, July. 24, 1951
One big round, in which he almost stopped his foe, gave Art Aragon a decisive victory over Johnny Gonsalves in their ten-rounder at the Los Angeles Olympic. Whithout that lop-sided round, Aragon would still have rated an edge on his aggressiveness, for the Oaklander boxed too much on the defensive. However, toss out the fifth heat and the result might have been different, for even after that pummeling, Johnny came back to cop a couple of the remaining rounds. Gonsalves wasn't the boxing wizard he was against Rudy Cruz, although he did some beautful defensive work, causing Aragon to miss two-thirds of his punches and at times look like a rank amateur, several times he had the enraged Golden Boy lunging into the ropes and occasionaly Art would find the elusive Oaklander behind him. But Aragon kept winging and his peristence paid off in the fifth. Aragon nailed Gonsalves with a right on the jaw that sent Johnny reeling into the ropes and Art was at him with the fury of a wounded beast. Aragon rained blows on his hurt foe, who covered up as best he could, but many of the punches landed on the Oaklander's jaw and head. How that boy can withstand punishment! After 30 seconds of this pummeling, Gonsalves turned away and his head protruded outside the ropes, which prompted Referee Mushy Callahan to push Aragon aside and start counting over the Oaklander. At the count of three, Johnny turned around and put on a counter-attack that forced Aragon to give ground. The crowd yelled like mad! The all-out attack took a lot of steam out of Aragon and no doubt sapped a lot of Gonsalves' stamina, so the fight slowed down a bit in the following rounds, although they were still exciting sessions and closely contested. Aragon weighed 139, Gonsalves 137.

I was at the Olympic for this 1951 fight Paul, and I can still clearly hear the roar of the crowd as Aragon was pounding Gonsalves against the rope.

Awesome Frank, great memories buddy..

[raylawpc]

>con grads to your uncle. why did u remove ur post about o'grady

Bored me when I reread it; figured it would bore everybody else too . . .

Your O'Grady stories are great. I never knew the guy, saw him a couple times when he was at the gym in L.A.
With Tony "Kid" Longoria, and Sean. I didn't know the guy so I could never form a valid opinion.
Heard a lot of crap about him. You bring him into focus.

Thanks. Even for those of us who knew him, he was a hard guy to read. He was a very complex individual.

What I wrote in the post that I deleted was that O'Grady didn't bat an eye about not paying a fighter who underperformed in a fight. And I used that in the corner to motivate some guys to put out more effort. "You better start fighting, or that tightwad son of a b*tch sitting over there won't pay you."

Of course, it also motivated me to get the fighter to fight because Pat took my split as cornerman from the fighter's purse. If he didn't pay the fighter, he didn't pay me. When I bitched about he once, he told me, "If you can't get the fighter to fight, you don't deserve to get paid either."

[coach greg v]

Bored me when I reread it; figured it would bore everybody else too . . .

Your O'Grady stories are great. I never knew the guy, saw him a couple times when he was at the gym in L.A.
With Tony "Kid" Longoria, and Sean. I didn't know the guy so I could never form a valid opinion.
Heard a lot of crap about him. You bring him into focus.

Thanks. Even for those of us who knew him, he was a hard guy to read. He was a very complex individual.

What I wrote in the post that I deleted was that O'Grady didn't bat an eye about not paying a fighter who underperformed in a fight. And I used that in the corner to motivate some guys to put out more effort. "You better start fighting, or that tightwad son of a b*tch sitting over there won't pay you."

Of course, it also motivated me to get the fighter to fight because Pat took my split as cornerman from the fighter's purse. If he didn't pay the fighter, he didn't pay me. When I bitched about he once, he told me, "If you can't get the fighter to fight, you don't deserve to get paid either."

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

[raylawpc]

Your O'Grady stories are great. I never knew the guy, saw him a couple times when he was at the gym in L.A.
With Tony "Kid" Longoria, and Sean. I didn't know the guy so I could never form a valid opinion.
Heard a lot of crap about him. You bring him into focus.

Thanks. Even for those of us who knew him, he was a hard guy to read. He was a very complex individual.

What I wrote in the post that I deleted was that O'Grady didn't bat an eye about not paying a fighter who underperformed in a fight. And I used that in the corner to motivate some guys to put out more effort. "You better start fighting, or that tightwad son of a b*tch sitting over there won't pay you."

Of course, it also motivated me to get the fighter to fight because Pat took my split as cornerman from the fighter's purse. If he didn't pay the fighter, he didn't pay me. When I bitched about he once, he told me, "If you can't get the fighter to fight, you don't deserve to get paid either."

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

He did things and you would shake your head sometimes . . .

Pat and Champ Thomas went back many years. Pat got his start boxing on the carney circuit, and he and Champ were a team. Pat was the boxer, and Champ was the wrestler (and the barker). If you lasted three rounds boxing with Pat or 5 minutes wrestling with Champ, you'd get something like $25 or $50. They had a lot of adventures together on the carney circuit, and Pat could regale you for hours with stories about their adventures.

[Rick Farris]

Your O'Grady stories are great. I never knew the guy, saw him a couple times when he was at the gym in L.A.
With Tony "Kid" Longoria, and Sean. I didn't know the guy so I could never form a valid opinion.
Heard a lot of crap about him. You bring him into focus.

Thanks. Even for those of us who knew him, he was a hard guy to read. He was a very complex individual.

What I wrote in the post that I deleted was that O'Grady didn't bat an eye about not paying a fighter who underperformed in a fight. And I used that in the corner to motivate some guys to put out more effort. "You better start fighting, or that tightwad son of a b*tch sitting over there won't pay you."

Of course, it also motivated me to get the fighter to fight because Pat took my split as cornerman from the fighter's purse. If he didn't pay the fighter, he didn't pay me. When I bitched about he once, he told me, "If you can't get the fighter to fight, you don't deserve to get paid either."

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

[coach greg v]

Thanks. Even for those of us who knew him, he was a hard guy to read. He was a very complex individual.

What I wrote in the post that I deleted was that O'Grady didn't bat an eye about not paying a fighter who underperformed in a fight. And I used that in the corner to motivate some guys to put out more effort. "You better start fighting, or that tightwad son of a b*tch sitting over there won't pay you."

Of course, it also motivated me to get the fighter to fight because Pat took my split as cornerman from the fighter's purse. If he didn't pay the fighter, he didn't pay me. When I bitched about he once, he told me, "If you can't get the fighter to fight, you don't deserve to get paid either."

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

It is amazing afriend told me he used to go to ogradys fights . Hardly anybody in the arena. Do you remember champ thomas the worlds toughest boxer?????

[coach greg v]

Thanks. Even for those of us who knew him, he was a hard guy to read. He was a very complex individual.

What I wrote in the post that I deleted was that O'Grady didn't bat an eye about not paying a fighter who underperformed in a fight. And I used that in the corner to motivate some guys to put out more effort. "You better start fighting, or that tightwad son of a b*tch sitting over there won't pay you."

Of course, it also motivated me to get the fighter to fight because Pat took my split as cornerman from the fighter's purse. If he didn't pay the fighter, he didn't pay me. When I bitched about he once, he told me, "If you can't get the fighter to fight, you don't deserve to get paid either."

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

It is amazing afriend told me he used to go to ogradys fights . Hardly anybody in the arena. Do you remember champ thomas the worlds toughest boxer?????

[coach greg v]

Thanks. Even for those of us who knew him, he was a hard guy to read. He was a very complex individual.

What I wrote in the post that I deleted was that O'Grady didn't bat an eye about not paying a fighter who underperformed in a fight. And I used that in the corner to motivate some guys to put out more effort. "You better start fighting, or that tightwad son of a b*tch sitting over there won't pay you."

Of course, it also motivated me to get the fighter to fight because Pat took my split as cornerman from the fighter's purse. If he didn't pay the fighter, he didn't pay me. When I bitched about he once, he told me, "If you can't get the fighter to fight, you don't deserve to get paid either."

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

It is amazing afriend told me he used to go to ogradys fights . Hardly anybody in the arena. Do you remember champ thomas the worlds toughest boxer?????

[coach greg v]

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

It is amazing afriend told me he used to go to ogradys fights . Hardly anybody in the arena. Do you remember champ thomas the worlds toughest boxer?????

> champ thomes wrote a boxing book which i own called SEAN O'GRADY LIVNG LEGEND. In this piece of....work he extrolls the old man o'grady as being the champ of trainers smartest man in the world. No need to try to get unless you want a good laugh...

[Rick Farris]

Just started three weeks of re-shoots for a feature starring Daniel Craig, "The Woman with the Dragon Tatoo". Big film!
This is the sequel to a film released a couple years back. A Swedish film based on a best seller.

[kikibalt]

Just started three weeks of re-shoots for a feature starring Daniel Craig, "The Woman with the Dragon Tatoo". Big film!