Classic American West Coast Boxing

[coach greg v]

Just started three weeks of re-shoots for a feature starring Daniel Craig, "The Woman with the Dragon Tatoo". Big film!

>that was supposed to be a best seller

[Panzerfaust]

Just started three weeks of re-shoots for a feature starring Daniel Craig, "The Woman with the Dragon Tatoo". Big film!
This is the sequel to a film released a couple years back. A Swedish film based on a best seller.

[coach greg v]

Just started three weeks of re-shoots for a feature starring Daniel Craig, "The Woman with the Dragon Tatoo". Big film!
This is the sequel to a film released a couple years back. A Swedish film based on a best seller.

To go off topic for a minute.Frank that movie THE RING. I was listening and it dawned on me that many of the lines that have to with prejudice in that movie. Were taken and used in
american me and bound by honor. Such as the line.. you bust people like this in beverly hills. Completely taken from the ring....

[raylawpc]

Thanks. Even for those of us who knew him, he was a hard guy to read. He was a very complex individual.

What I wrote in the post that I deleted was that O'Grady didn't bat an eye about not paying a fighter who underperformed in a fight. And I used that in the corner to motivate some guys to put out more effort. "You better start fighting, or that tightwad son of a b*tch sitting over there won't pay you."

Of course, it also motivated me to get the fighter to fight because Pat took my split as cornerman from the fighter's purse. If he didn't pay the fighter, he didn't pay me. When I bitched about he once, he told me, "If you can't get the fighter to fight, you don't deserve to get paid either."

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

I think you guys are too hard on Pat - probably because you didn't know him. When I think of somebody who "screws" with other people's money, I think of somebody who cons somebody or lies or cheats them out of their money. Pat never did that to anybody I knew. If Pat was gonna f*ck you, he told you in advance. You had two choices: You got f*cked willingly, or you walked away. Pat didn't care, and he didn't fault you if you took the second option.

An example: Pat hired professional sportswriters to write the press releases for upcoming shows. When he discovered I had a bit of writing talent, he asked me to do it. After I wrote my first press release, I went to him to get paid. "This is a great learning experience for you. You should be paying me," he said. I decided he was right, and I wrote my first few press releases for free. But then I started getting published in Ring Magazine, and I told him I was a published writer (+ a journalism major) and entitled to get paid. "You're right," he said. And I got paid just like the other sportswriters.

I can't think of a single time Pat ever lied to me about anything. And one time, in a time of personal crisis when all of my other so-called friends vanished like a f*rt int he wind, Pat was one of the few guys who stuck with me.

[raylawpc]

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

It is amazing afriend told me he used to go to ogradys fights . Hardly anybody in the arena. Do you remember champ thomas the worlds toughest boxer?????

When and where did your friend attend the fights? When I was active in Oklahoma City, we had good crowds at all our venues.

[raylawpc]

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

It is amazing afriend told me he used to go to ogradys fights . Hardly anybody in the arena. Do you remember champ thomas the worlds toughest boxer?????

> champ thomes wrote a boxing book which i own called SEAN O'GRADY LIVNG LEGEND. In this piece of....work he extrolls the old man o'grady as being the champ of trainers smartest man in the world. No need to try to get unless you want a good laugh...

My take on Pat was that he was a great corner/cutman, good trainer, good matchmaker, average promoter and below average manager. The problem with Pat was that he thought he was better at managing fighters than anything else, and he really wasn't. I don't think he really understood how to develop fighters.

But he was one of the best cornermen I ever saw. I've said this since I've gotten to know Frank: If one of my sons had become a boxer, I would have wanted Frank to manage him. But, that said, I damn sure would have wanted Pat in his corner.

[Rick Farris]

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

I think you guys are too hard on Pat - probably because you didn't know him. When I think of somebody who "screws" with other people's money, I think of somebody who cons somebody or lies or cheats them out of their money. Pat never did that to anybody I knew. If Pat was gonna f*ck you, he told you in advance. You had two choices: You got f*cked willingly, or you walked away. Pat didn't care, and he didn't fault you if you took the second option.

An example: Pat hired professional sportswriters to write the press releases for upcoming shows. When he discovered I had a bit of writing talent, he asked me to do it. After I wrote my first press release, I went to him to get paid. "This is a great learning experience for you. You should be paying me," he said. I decided he was right, and I wrote my first few press releases for free. But then I started getting published in Ring Magazine, and I told him I was a published writer (+ a journalism major) and entitled to get paid. "You're right," he said. And I got paid just like the other sportswriters.

I can't think of a single time Pat ever lied to me about anything. And one time, in a time of personal crisis when all of my other so-called friends vanished like a f*rt int he wind, Pat was one of the few guys who stuck with me.

This is why we need you to tell us O'Grady stories. All I care to know is the truth. Since none of us knew Pat O'Grady, except you, all we can do is form an opinion based on what we've heard. I never heard anything really bad about O'Grady, I just was amazed how easily he allowed Sean to risk his eyesight in the match with Shig Fugiyama. I wasn't in the corner, and didn't see it as closely as O'Grady, but I saw enough to know the fight should have been stopped. In the end, all turned out OK, but it appeared Sean losing the fight was more important an issue than him losing his eyesight. If I have any question relating to Pat O'Grady's actions in life, that would be the only one. I get irritated when I read stories or hear opinions relating to the Quarry family. Even his well written biography is full of BS.

[coach greg v]

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

It is amazing afriend told me he used to go to ogradys fights . Hardly anybody in the arena. Do you remember champ thomas the worlds toughest boxer?????

When and where did your friend attend the fights? When I was active in Oklahoma City, we had good crowds at all our venues.

>1979

[coach greg v]

It is amazing afriend told me he used to go to ogradys fights . Hardly anybody in the arena. Do you remember champ thomas the worlds toughest boxer?????

When and where did your friend attend the fights? When I was active in Oklahoma City, we had good crowds at all our venues.

>1979

> You know when a friend tells me something about boxing I do not necessarily believe it. No man is a saint. I love to hear those O'grady stories. I love to hear any corner stories to see how others do it. When that book came out boxing cornermen. I could not go back to work I was spell bound. I talked alot with Mike Quarry. He was a very nice guy.

[raylawpc]

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

I think you guys are too hard on Pat - probably because you didn't know him. When I think of somebody who "screws" with other people's money, I think of somebody who cons somebody or lies or cheats them out of their money. Pat never did that to anybody I knew. If Pat was gonna f*ck you, he told you in advance. You had two choices: You got f*cked willingly, or you walked away. Pat didn't care, and he didn't fault you if you took the second option.

An example: Pat hired professional sportswriters to write the press releases for upcoming shows. When he discovered I had a bit of writing talent, he asked me to do it. After I wrote my first press release, I went to him to get paid. "This is a great learning experience for you. You should be paying me," he said. I decided he was right, and I wrote my first few press releases for free. But then I started getting published in Ring Magazine, and I told him I was a published writer (+ a journalism major) and entitled to get paid. "You're right," he said. And I got paid just like the other sportswriters.

I can't think of a single time Pat ever lied to me about anything. And one time, in a time of personal crisis when all of my other so-called friends vanished like a f*rt int he wind, Pat was one of the few guys who stuck with me.

This is why we need you to tell us O'Grady stories. All I care to know is the truth. Since none of us knew Pat O'Grady, except you, all we can do is form an opinion based on what we've heard. I never heard anything really bad about O'Grady, I just was amazed how easily he allowed Sean to risk his eyesight in the match with Shig Fugiyama. I wasn't in the corner, and didn't see it as closely as O'Grady, but I saw enough to know the fight should have been stopped. In the end, all turned out OK, but it appeared Sean losing the fight was more important an issue than him losing his eyesight. If I have any question relating to Pat O'Grady's actions in life, that would be the only one. I get irritated when I read stories or hear opinions relating to the Quarry family. Even his well written biography is full of BS.

I didn't see the fight, so I didn't see the cut. I didn't go to any boxing matches when I was in law school. (I was actually a very dedicated law student.) Sean was an unusual bleeder. I'm told he would bleed profusely even from a cut that wasn't very bad, and his cuts were a bitch to stop. That said, I asked Pat the very same question some months after the fight, and he told me: (1) the cut was not a bad cut as far as depth or location (i.e., Sean's eye wasn't danger), and (2) the blood was not getting into Sean's eye. He could still see. Pat told me dozens of times before that fight that one should never stop a fight if the fighter could still see and wasn't in danger of permanent injury from the cut.

[Randyman]

Frank,I just got through browsing through some of your photos on Facebook. Lots of great stuff there. What a great looking family you have. Some cool photos of you and your bike. What a success story!

[raylawpc]

It is amazing afriend told me he used to go to ogradys fights . Hardly anybody in the arena. Do you remember champ thomas the worlds toughest boxer?????

When and where did your friend attend the fights? When I was active in Oklahoma City, we had good crowds at all our venues.

>1979

> You know when a friend tells me something about boxing I do not necessarily believe it. No man is a saint. I love to hear those O'grady stories. I love to hear any corner stories to see how others do it. When that book came out boxing cornermen. I could not go back to work I was spell bound. I talked alot with Mike Quarry. He was a very nice guy.[/quote]

Last fight I worked in OKC was late 1977. After that I was working in another town and then in law school. Before that, we always had good crowds. Pat would not have promoted fights consistently from 1969 to the early 1980s if he was losing money. The man had no means of support but boxing + a wife and three kids to feed. He always walked around with a big roll of money in his pocket.

Personally, I only met Mike Quarry one time when he came to Oklahoma City and fought my friend Kelly Burden. After the fight, we spent about an hour together. Mike was a very nice guy, and I was greatly saddened by his dementia and death.

[kikibalt]

Frank,I just got through browsing through some of your photos on Facebook. Lots of great stuff there. What a great looking family you have. Some cool photos of you and your bike. What a success story!

LOL!!...Glad you liked my photos........lots of memories there for sure....

[Randyman]

> what amazes me about o'grady. he was trying to pawn off that new alphabet group.with the world white heavryweight champion monte something. He also worked with champ thomas remember his books?????

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

I think you guys are too hard on Pat - probably because you didn't know him. When I think of somebody who "screws" with other people's money, I think of somebody who cons somebody or lies or cheats them out of their money. Pat never did that to anybody I knew. If Pat was gonna f*ck you, he told you in advance. You had two choices: You got f*cked willingly, or you walked away. Pat didn't care, and he didn't fault you if you took the second option.

An example: Pat hired professional sportswriters to write the press releases for upcoming shows. When he discovered I had a bit of writing talent, he asked me to do it. After I wrote my first press release, I went to him to get paid. "This is a great learning experience for you. You should be paying me," he said. I decided he was right, and I wrote my first few press releases for free. But then I started getting published in Ring Magazine, and I told him I was a published writer (+ a journalism major) and entitled to get paid. "You're right," he said. And I got paid just like the other sportswriters.

I can't think of a single time Pat ever lied to me about anything. And one time, in a time of personal crisis when all of my other so-called friends vanished like a f*rt int he wind, Pat was one of the few guys who stuck with me.

I only met Pat O'Grady once, I've told that story a few times so I won't repeat it again but O'Grady, in fact, both of them, Pat and Sean, seemed like pretty good guys. I do think though that a lot of the older generation of trainers had a bit of the blarney about them. I know that Mel Epstein had a life time of stories in him and loved to share them. I'm guessing Pat O'Grady was the same way.

[Randyman]

Frank,I just got through browsing through some of your photos on Facebook. Lots of great stuff there. What a great looking family you have. Some cool photos of you and your bike. What a success story!

LOL!!...Glad you liked my photos........lots of memories there for sure....

When all else is gone, the memories are still there. Good memories come from a good life and when it's all said and done, what more can we ask for?

[kikibalt]

Frank,I just got through browsing through some of your photos on Facebook. Lots of great stuff there. What a great looking family you have. Some cool photos of you and your bike. What a success story!

LOL!!...Glad you liked my photos........lots of memories there for sure....

When all else is gone, the memories are still there. Good memories come from a good life and when it's all said and done, what more can we ask for?

Like when we become history??...

[coach greg v]

LOL!!...Glad you liked my photos........lots of memories there for sure....

When all else is gone, the memories are still there. Good memories come from a good life and when it's all said and done, what more can we ask for?

Like when we become history??...

> I also went there very nice stuff. One of these day you will have to tell us about the boxing rivilries from happy valley and the clantons all the old stuff.....,

[raylawpc]

I saw Monte Masters fight in Hollywood in the summer of '89.
He was a bum, twisted his ankle in the fight and it was stopped.
Didn't Masters marry one of the O'Grady sisters?
Pat O'Grady seemed to control boxing in Oklahoma, I always considered him a charactor.
However, it's amazing that somebody who screws with people's money can walk the streets and not catch a bullet.

I think you guys are too hard on Pat - probably because you didn't know him. When I think of somebody who "screws" with other people's money, I think of somebody who cons somebody or lies or cheats them out of their money. Pat never did that to anybody I knew. If Pat was gonna f*ck you, he told you in advance. You had two choices: You got f*cked willingly, or you walked away. Pat didn't care, and he didn't fault you if you took the second option.

An example: Pat hired professional sportswriters to write the press releases for upcoming shows. When he discovered I had a bit of writing talent, he asked me to do it. After I wrote my first press release, I went to him to get paid. "This is a great learning experience for you. You should be paying me," he said. I decided he was right, and I wrote my first few press releases for free. But then I started getting published in Ring Magazine, and I told him I was a published writer (+ a journalism major) and entitled to get paid. "You're right," he said. And I got paid just like the other sportswriters.

I can't think of a single time Pat ever lied to me about anything. And one time, in a time of personal crisis when all of my other so-called friends vanished like a f*rt int he wind, Pat was one of the few guys who stuck with me.

I only met Pat O'Grady once, I've told that story a few times so I won't repeat it again but O'Grady, in fact, both of them, Pat and Sean, seemed like pretty good guys. I do think though that a lot of the older generation of trainers had a bit of the blarney about them. I know that Mel Epstein had a life time of stories in him and loved to share them. I'm guessing Pat O'Grady was the same way.

Ohhhh yeah . . .

In fact, when you guys tell a Mel Epstein story, I think some times, "Sounds like O'Grady." The phrase "separated at birth" seems appropriate for those two.

[coach greg v]

I think you guys are too hard on Pat - probably because you didn't know him. When I think of somebody who "screws" with other people's money, I think of somebody who cons somebody or lies or cheats them out of their money. Pat never did that to anybody I knew. If Pat was gonna f*ck you, he told you in advance. You had two choices: You got f*cked willingly, or you walked away. Pat didn't care, and he didn't fault you if you took the second option.

An example: Pat hired professional sportswriters to write the press releases for upcoming shows. When he discovered I had a bit of writing talent, he asked me to do it. After I wrote my first press release, I went to him to get paid. "This is a great learning experience for you. You should be paying me," he said. I decided he was right, and I wrote my first few press releases for free. But then I started getting published in Ring Magazine, and I told him I was a published writer (+ a journalism major) and entitled to get paid. "You're right," he said. And I got paid just like the other sportswriters.

I can't think of a single time Pat ever lied to me about anything. And one time, in a time of personal crisis when all of my other so-called friends vanished like a f*rt int he wind, Pat was one of the few guys who stuck with me.

I only met Pat O'Grady once, I've told that story a few times so I won't repeat it again but O'Grady, in fact, both of them, Pat and Sean, seemed like pretty good guys. I do think though that a lot of the older generation of trainers had a bit of the blarney about them. I know that Mel Epstein had a life time of stories in him and loved to share them. I'm guessing Pat O'Grady was the same way.

Ohhhh yeah . . .

In fact, when you guys tell a Mel Epstein story, I think some times, "Sounds like O'Grady." The phrase "separated at birth" seems appropriate for those two.

>they were a special no nonsense breed that is 100 per cent gone today. right or wrong u paid attention!!!

[raylawpc]

I think you guys are too hard on Pat - probably because you didn't know him. When I think of somebody who "screws" with other people's money, I think of somebody who cons somebody or lies or cheats them out of their money. Pat never did that to anybody I knew. If Pat was gonna f*ck you, he told you in advance. You had two choices: You got f*cked willingly, or you walked away. Pat didn't care, and he didn't fault you if you took the second option.

An example: Pat hired professional sportswriters to write the press releases for upcoming shows. When he discovered I had a bit of writing talent, he asked me to do it. After I wrote my first press release, I went to him to get paid. "This is a great learning experience for you. You should be paying me," he said. I decided he was right, and I wrote my first few press releases for free. But then I started getting published in Ring Magazine, and I told him I was a published writer (+ a journalism major) and entitled to get paid. "You're right," he said. And I got paid just like the other sportswriters.

I can't think of a single time Pat ever lied to me about anything. And one time, in a time of personal crisis when all of my other so-called friends vanished like a f*rt int he wind, Pat was one of the few guys who stuck with me.

I only met Pat O'Grady once, I've told that story a few times so I won't repeat it again but O'Grady, in fact, both of them, Pat and Sean, seemed like pretty good guys. I do think though that a lot of the older generation of trainers had a bit of the blarney about them. I know that Mel Epstein had a life time of stories in him and loved to share them. I'm guessing Pat O'Grady was the same way.

Ohhhh yeah . . .

In fact, when you guys tell a Mel Epstein story, I think some times, "Sounds like O'Grady." The phrase "separated at birth" seems appropriate for those two.

>they were a special no nonsense breed that is 100 per cent gone today. right or wrong u paid attention!!! [/quote]

or you got yelled at!

[coach greg v]

I think you guys are too hard on Pat - probably because you didn't know him. When I think of somebody who "screws" with other people's money, I think of somebody who cons somebody or lies or cheats them out of their money. Pat never did that to anybody I knew. If Pat was gonna f*ck you, he told you in advance. You had two choices: You got f*cked willingly, or you walked away. Pat didn't care, and he didn't fault you if you took the second option.

An example: Pat hired professional sportswriters to write the press releases for upcoming shows. When he discovered I had a bit of writing talent, he asked me to do it. After I wrote my first press release, I went to him to get paid. "This is a great learning experience for you. You should be paying me," he said. I decided he was right, and I wrote my first few press releases for free. But then I started getting published in Ring Magazine, and I told him I was a published writer (+ a journalism major) and entitled to get paid. "You're right," he said. And I got paid just like the other sportswriters.

I can't think of a single time Pat ever lied to me about anything. And one time, in a time of personal crisis when all of my other so-called friends vanished like a f*rt int he wind, Pat was one of the few guys who stuck with me.

I only met Pat O'Grady once, I've told that story a few times so I won't repeat it again but O'Grady, in fact, both of them, Pat and Sean, seemed like pretty good guys. I do think though that a lot of the older generation of trainers had a bit of the blarney about them. I know that Mel Epstein had a life time of stories in him and loved to share them. I'm guessing Pat O'Grady was the same way.

Ohhhh yeah . . .

In fact, when you guys tell a Mel Epstein story, I think some times, "Sounds like O'Grady." The phrase "separated at birth" seems appropriate for those two.

>they were a special no nonsense breed that is 100 per cent gone today. right or wrong u paid attention!!! [/quote]

or you got yelled at! [/quote]
> thats how i learned to be a trainer by listening. keeping my pie hole shut and doing what they did. picking the right things. taking the abuse that goes along with being second. Listening to them when making deals or laying down the law. Then one of the greatest day was when vic grupico said to me in his rasping voice take him tonight I knew I had made it.....

[kikibalt]

When all else is gone, the memories are still there. Good memories come from a good life and when it's all said and done, what more can we ask for?

Like when we become history??...

> I also went there very nice stuff. One of these day you will have to tell us about the boxing rivilries from happy valley and the clantons all the old stuff.....,

One of the best known East Los cross-town rivalry was between Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli, both were from Flats, one was First Flats, the other from Fourth Flats.

[coach greg v]

Like when we become history??...

> I also went there very nice stuff. One of these day you will have to tell us about the boxing rivilries from happy valley and the clantons all the old stuff.....,

One of the best known East Los cross-town rivalry was between Keeny Teran and Gil Cadilli, both were from Flats, one was First Flats, the other from Fourth Flats.

>RAY you got to tell us about champ thomas and mr o'grady. inquiring minds want to know....

[Rick Farris]

This is the film I am working on. Principal photography was complete, but we will re-shoot certain scenes as well as a few added during the next four weeks. Release date for "The Woman with the Dragon Tattoo will open in December . . .

http://blackbookcv.ning.com/profiles/bl ... f-the-girl

[kikibalt]

"Happy Valley"

In the summer of '53 my friends and I were cruising Whittier Blvd in my '38 4 door Chevy. We met some girls from Happy Valley and they invited us to a house party in Happy Valley for the following Saturday. Saturday comes, I picked my friends up, I drove to East L.A (Eastern Ave) when we knew a store owner that sold beer to under age guys (us), after buying some cold ones we drove to the party, the party was being held in the garage. We seen the girls that invited us and we start dancing slow dances with them. Soon the guys from Happy Valley were getting piss and giving us dirty looks, we kept dancing to slow R & B music, and the Happy Valley dudes are getting pisser by the minute. Soon one of my friends who indulge one to many cold ones sat down on a couch and passed out, while my friend was passed out one guy from Happy Valley started beating the shit out of him, we all jumped the guy and then all hell broke lose. There were 6 of us and about 20 of them, so we ran to my car and jumped in, I had a car in front and one in back of me, in order to get out I had to back up to go around the car in front of me, well I backed up too fast and I hit the car behind me, a mid'30 Ford, all cherry out, the bumpers locked, I put my car in first gear, I took off but was having trouble gaining speed, then one one of my friend tells me "kiki you're towing a car behind you", in a few yards I hit a bump and the bumper unlocked, I seen in the rear view mirror that the Ford hit a parked car, we jump on the 10 freeway and got back to Old Pico to lick our wounds....