Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

For once, it's a good thing I'm diabetic. When I polish off Manuel, I better skip the desert (Cindy is too sweet, and I'm too married!!)

> well I can not ko manny and cindy would put me on life support. i can hardly use the mitts to train anymore better stick with the ham...

Greg, this just proves you are street smart. You know how thngs work. Words of a man who knows life!
A Eastside guy knows two things: 1. Don't mess with Charlie, and 2. Don't challenge Manuel! ;;-)

[Rick Farris]

I have posted this photos before, but what I had not posted was a photo of Cindy, the owner of Lisa's, you're going to have to scroll all the way to the bottom to see Miss Cindy...









Me in red with Connie





The beautiful Cindy, owner of "Lisa's'. A '50's type diner

Nice rack! Hey...I was talking about that nice stainless steel shelving unit behind Cindy. Get your minds out of the gutter. LOL!

Scartissue

Dan, a well stocked kitchen is a well stacked kitchen.

[coach greg v]

I have posted this photos before, but what I had not posted was a photo of Cindy, the owner of Lisa's, you're going to have to scroll all the way to the bottom to see Miss Cindy...









Me in red with Connie





The beautiful Cindy, owner of "Lisa's'. A '50's type diner

Are they real?

As far as I can tell, yes!!. They move when she walks

> frank rick were u at the carlos palomino armando muniz fight. just got that dvd

[raylawpc]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

SI article on Babe McCoy

Since you posted this, I did a search on the other articles in SI about the investigation. It's a wonder Cal Eaton escaped with his license, and, frankly, a tragedy that he only had his license placed on two years probation by the commission. The articles make it sound like Eaton and McCoy were in bed together. If those articles are correct, Cal should have been banned for life too.

In fact, IMHO, the Governor should have appointed a special prosecutor in LA county to put those two crooks in jail. Suspension and probation wasn't enough.

Clearly, Cal Eaton's best matchmaking didn't have anything to do with boxing; it was matching his son with the governor's daughter.

I thought it was interesting that none of this crap was going on at the Hollywood Legion Stadium. Attaboy, Hap!

[kikibalt]

> frank rick were u at the carlos palomino armando muniz fight. just got that dvd

My wife, Connie, and I were ringside for both of their fights. I know Rick was there too, right Rick?..

[kikibalt]

SI article

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

"A Dream House"

[kikibalt]

SI article

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

"The Mad Russian Who's Got The Mexican Connection"

The writer has a few facts wrong in his article. First we didn't take the fight because we needed the money, I took the fight because I couldn't get Frankie six round fights any more, nobody wanted to fight him, second Frankie didn't have six pro fights at the time of the Cruz fight, he had five, third the fight didn't end in the eighth, it ended in the ninth round and it didn't end because of cuts, Frankie just beat the living crap out of Cruz....

Harry didn't talk to me for about six months after the fight...

[Rick Farris]

> frank rick were u at the carlos palomino armando muniz fight. just got that dvd

My wife, Connie, and I were ringside for both of their fights. I know Rick was there too, right Rick?..

Yeah, my uncle had three great seats for this one, a couple rows back from Armando's corner.
Great fight. Two L.A. warriors fighting for the welterweight title!

[CNorkusJr]

SI article

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

"The Mad Russian Who's Got The Mexican Connection"

The writer has a few facts wrong in his article. First we didn't take the fight because we needed the money, I took the fight because I couldn't get Frankie six round fights any more, nobody wanted to fight him, second Frankie didn't have six pro fights at the time of the Cruz fight, he had five, third the fight didn't end in the eighth, it ended in the ninth round and it didn't end because of cuts, Frankie just beat the living crap out of Cruz....

Harry didn't talk to me for about six months after the fight...

Page 2 of article:
"The bum (Chango Cruz) was up and down so much,I thought he was an Otis elevator" DD

[kikibalt]

SI article

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

"The Mad Russian Who's Got The Mexican Connection"

The writer has a few facts wrong in his article. First we didn't take the fight because we needed the money, I took the fight because I couldn't get Frankie six round fights any more, nobody wanted to fight him, second Frankie didn't have six pro fights at the time of the Cruz fight, he had five, third the fight didn't end in the eighth, it ended in the ninth round and it didn't end because of cuts, Frankie just beat the living crap out of Cruz....

Harry didn't talk to me for about six months after the fight...

Page 2 of article:
"The bum (Chango Cruz) was up and down so much,I thought he was an Otis elevator" DD

Chango was only down once....

[coach greg v]

> frank rick were u at the carlos palomino armando muniz fight. just got that dvd

My wife, Connie, and I were ringside for both of their fights. I know Rick was there too, right Rick?..

Yeah, my uncle had three great seats for this one, a couple rows back from Armando's corner.
Great fight. Two L.A. warriors fighting for the welterweight title!

>yeah rick i thought i saw u sitting there. you know even when i was like 12 i could see boxing from the olympic and see the same faces in the seats every fight......

[raylawpc]

My wife, Connie, and I were ringside for both of their fights. I know Rick was there too, right Rick?..

Yeah, my uncle had three great seats for this one, a couple rows back from Armando's corner.
Great fight. Two L.A. warriors fighting for the welterweight title!

>yeah rick i thought i saw u sitting there. you know even when i was like 12 i could see boxing from the olympic and see the same faces in the seats every fight......

I recall reading a number of years ago that the Olympic was/is the only arena in American built specifically for boxing. As a result, there was not a bad seat in the house, or so the story said. The sight lines were perfect for boxing.

[kikibalt]

Yeah, my uncle had three great seats for this one, a couple rows back from Armando's corner.
Great fight. Two L.A. warriors fighting for the welterweight title!

>yeah rick i thought i saw u sitting there. you know even when i was like 12 i could see boxing from the olympic and see the same faces in the seats every fight......

I recall reading a number of years ago that the Olympic was/is the only arena in American built specifically for boxing. As a result, there was not a bad seat in the house, or so the story said. The sight lines were perfect for boxing.

You are right on all of the above Tom

[kikibalt]

Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Tommy Campbell, May. 16, 1950

At the Olympic Auditorium at Los Angeles, Art "Golden Boy" Aragon scored a three-round knockout over Tommy Campbell after a questionable second round which saw Aragon decked for a seven count. Midway in the second round Campbell caught Aragon flush on the jaw with a right cross to the chin which sent Aragon careening through the ropes and onto the apron of the ring. Referee Reggie Gilmore waved Campbell to a neutral corner and began counting over Aragon, the 1 to 5 favorite. Golden Boy stood up on wobbly legs, but Campbell made no move to step into action and as Aragon moved across the ring they fell into a clinch without throwing a punch. At the end of the round the referee went to Campbell's corner and told him to get in there and fight or his license would be taken away. Campbell made an effort in the third, but Aragon came out like a tiger and a vicious left hook followed by a powerful right cross dropped Campbell for a nine count. As he arose Aragon rushed him and with a crushing right dropped him for the full count. An investigation the day following the fight saw both fighters cleared on all counts but Campbell's California license was taken away because he has failing sight in one eye. A crowd of 7,500 was on hand, contributing a gross of $16,558.

Art Aragon v Tommy Campbell

[Rick Farris]

Yeah, my uncle had three great seats for this one, a couple rows back from Armando's corner.
Great fight. Two L.A. warriors fighting for the welterweight title!

>yeah rick i thought i saw u sitting there. you know even when i was like 12 i could see boxing from the olympic and see the same faces in the seats every fight......

I recall reading a number of years ago that the Olympic was/is the only arena in American built specifically for boxing. As a result, there was not a bad seat in the house, or so the story said. The sight lines were perfect for boxing.

Great seats were those in the first row of the balcony, especially on the south side, right above where the TV camera's were mounted on a hanging platform. I sat there and watched a great war between Art Hafey and David Sotello. You looked right down onth the ring, right above where the TV announcers sat. Nothing could block your view. The balcony was built on a fairly steep pitch, which gave a clear view from the highest, farthest seat in the house. If there was a bad decision, and an unhappy crowd, beer would fly down from the balcony and spray those at ringside. If you were in the balcony, you best move up the aisle, and if your below, you wanted to be under the balcony. The place has to be the most solid built building in L.A. County. When the next big earthquake hits LA, I wouldn't mind being inside that old building.

[coach greg v]

>yeah rick i thought i saw u sitting there. you know even when i was like 12 i could see boxing from the olympic and see the same faces in the seats every fight......

I recall reading a number of years ago that the Olympic was/is the only arena in American built specifically for boxing. As a result, there was not a bad seat in the house, or so the story said. The sight lines were perfect for boxing.

Great seats were those in the first row of the balcony, especially on the south side, right above where the TV camera's were mounted on a hanging platform. I sat there and watched a great war between Art Hafey and David Sotello. You looked right down onth the ring, right above where the TV announcers sat. Nothing could block your view. The balcony was built on a fairly steep pitch, which gave a clear view from the highest, farthest seat in the house. If there was a bad decision, and an unhappy crowd, beer would fly down from the balcony and spray those at ringside. If you were in the balcony, you best move up the aisle, and if your below, you wanted to be under the balcony. The place has to be the most solid built building in L.A. County. When the next big earthquake hits LA, I wouldn't mind being inside that old building.

> the reason I recognized you I googled you and a bunch of pics came. up one of you and it looks like ur family in a restaurant. could be mistaken.

[Rick Farris]

> frank rick were u at the carlos palomino armando muniz fight. just got that dvd

My wife, Connie, and I were ringside for both of their fights. I know Rick was there too, right Rick?..

Yeah, my uncle had three great seats for this one, a couple rows back from Armando's corner.
Great fight. Two L.A. warriors fighting for the welterweight title!

And this bout marked the first time two college graduates had fought for a world boxing championship.

[Rick Farris]

I recall reading a number of years ago that the Olympic was/is the only arena in American built specifically for boxing. As a result, there was not a bad seat in the house, or so the story said. The sight lines were perfect for boxing.

Great seats were those in the first row of the balcony, especially on the south side, right above where the TV camera's were mounted on a hanging platform. I sat there and watched a great war between Art Hafey and David Sotello. You looked right down onth the ring, right above where the TV announcers sat. Nothing could block your view. The balcony was built on a fairly steep pitch, which gave a clear view from the highest, farthest seat in the house. If there was a bad decision, and an unhappy crowd, beer would fly down from the balcony and spray those at ringside. If you were in the balcony, you best move up the aisle, and if your below, you wanted to be under the balcony. The place has to be the most solid built building in L.A. County. When the next big earthquake hits LA, I wouldn't mind being inside that old building.

> the reason I recognized you I googled you and a bunch of pics came. up one of you and it looks like ur family in a restaurant. could be mistaken.

:??

[raylawpc]

Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Tommy Campbell, May. 16, 1950

At the Olympic Auditorium at Los Angeles, Art "Golden Boy" Aragon scored a three-round knockout over Tommy Campbell after a questionable second round which saw Aragon decked for a seven count. Midway in the second round Campbell caught Aragon flush on the jaw with a right cross to the chin which sent Aragon careening through the ropes and onto the apron of the ring. Referee Reggie Gilmore waved Campbell to a neutral corner and began counting over Aragon, the 1 to 5 favorite. Golden Boy stood up on wobbly legs, but Campbell made no move to step into action and as Aragon moved across the ring they fell into a clinch without throwing a punch. At the end of the round the referee went to Campbell's corner and told him to get in there and fight or his license would be taken away. Campbell made an effort in the third, but Aragon came out like a tiger and a vicious left hook followed by a powerful right cross dropped Campbell for a nine count. As he arose Aragon rushed him and with a crushing right dropped him for the full count. An investigation the day following the fight saw both fighters cleared on all counts but Campbell's California license was taken away because he has failing sight in one eye. A crowd of 7,500 was on hand, contributing a gross of $16,558.

Art Aragon v Tommy Campbell

In that SI article, Campbell told investigators that he took a dive against Aragon. He was supported to go down in the fourth, but, after almost knocking Aragon out in the second round with that right, he went down for the count at the first opportunity in the third. This account seems to confirm Campbell's testimony.

[kikibalt]

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/napoles_rf.html

Jose Napoles...By Rick Farris

[coach greg v]

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/napoles_rf.html

Jose Napoles...By Rick Farris

> that is a great story rick. thats what i like in good boxing story the facts and some human face on it.

[kikibalt]

Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Tommy Campbell, May. 16, 1950

At the Olympic Auditorium at Los Angeles, Art "Golden Boy" Aragon scored a three-round knockout over Tommy Campbell after a questionable second round which saw Aragon decked for a seven count. Midway in the second round Campbell caught Aragon flush on the jaw with a right cross to the chin which sent Aragon careening through the ropes and onto the apron of the ring. Referee Reggie Gilmore waved Campbell to a neutral corner and began counting over Aragon, the 1 to 5 favorite. Golden Boy stood up on wobbly legs, but Campbell made no move to step into action and as Aragon moved across the ring they fell into a clinch without throwing a punch. At the end of the round the referee went to Campbell's corner and told him to get in there and fight or his license would be taken away. Campbell made an effort in the third, but Aragon came out like a tiger and a vicious left hook followed by a powerful right cross dropped Campbell for a nine count. As he arose Aragon rushed him and with a crushing right dropped him for the full count. An investigation the day following the fight saw both fighters cleared on all counts but Campbell's California license was taken away because he has failing sight in one eye. A crowd of 7,500 was on hand, contributing a gross of $16,558.

Art Aragon v Tommy Campbell

In that SI article, Campbell told investigators that he took a dive against Aragon. He was supported to go down in the fourth, but, after almost knocking Aragon out in the second round with that right, he went down for the count at the first opportunity. This account seems to confirm Campbell's testimony.

Tom, It's well known that Campbell and Carlos Chavez, Chavez in the second fight with Aragon went in the tank. Chavez a Johnny Forbes fighter out box Aragon in their first fight to win a ten round decision. I was told that Chavez could never forgive himself, that it bothered him till the end of his life....

[coach greg v]

Art Aragon v Tommy Campbell

In that SI article, Campbell told investigators that he took a dive against Aragon. He was supported to go down in the fourth, but, after almost knocking Aragon out in the second round with that right, he went down for the count at the first opportunity. This account seems to confirm Campbell's testimony.

Tom, It's well known that Campbell and Carlos Chavez, Chavez in the second fight with Aragon went in the tank. Chavez a Johnny Forbes fighter out box Aragon in their first fight to win a ten round decision. I was told that Chavez could never forgive himself, that it bothered him till the end of his life....

fRANK I GOT A PIC I WANT RICK TO SEE. HOW DO I ATTACH ONE HERE

[Rick Farris]

Art Aragon v Tommy Campbell

In that SI article, Campbell told investigators that he took a dive against Aragon. He was supported to go down in the fourth, but, after almost knocking Aragon out in the second round with that right, he went down for the count at the first opportunity. This account seems to confirm Campbell's testimony.

Tom, It's well known that Campbell and Carlos Chavez, Chavez in the second fight with Aragon went in the tank. Chavez a Johnny Forbes fighter out box Aragon in their first fight to win a ten round decision. I was told that Chavez could never forgive himself, that it bothered him till the end of his life....

I have learned quite a bit about Carlos Chavez from his cousin, also a Johnny Forbes stablemate, Vince Delgado.
Delgado tells of the Forbes stable like nobody else, he lived.

[CNorkusJr]

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/napoles_rf.html

Jose Napoles...By Rick Farris

Good piece of writing Rick. Great insight to a wonderful fighter.
My father met Jose Napoles in New York when he came in to fight Petey Toro.
Toro,a New Yorker, had good fights in his career against Bobby Cassidy,Bobby Bartels and a few other heavy hitters who my father hung around with.

Jose,I dont know if Angelo Dundee had him in 1970, was probably training in Gleason's Gym who moved to midtown Manhattan about then(around the corner from the new MSG), or possibly 42 St gym (Jimmy Glenns' old place).

But possibly my dad went to see Angelo to say hello. He came home that night to tell me he met Jose Napoles, whom my father said was one of the hardest punchers he saw in training. Any recollection of Jose's sparring people on the road,if he had any (maybe he used local guys) ?