Classic American West Coast Boxing

[coach greg v]

Well Greg, the problem is that I am not a writer.....

Hire a ghost writer!

I am afraid of ghosts....

> wise guys

[kikibalt]

I hope he does!

I do too!! He has everything it takes. This is a good thing, I believe.

I encouraged him to do it when we were discussing it at the CBHOF banquet. Every tape I've seen of him shows a very technically skilled fighter. I enjoyed talking to him; he expresses himself very well. I've only met Frankie the one time, so it's more of a gut feeling, but I think he'd be a good trainer.

He would make a good trainer, I agree with that. but one thing with Frankie, when he retired, he retired!!, he doesn't have it in his heart to continue in boxing in any capacity. I tried get him to become a referee, he said he would think about it, that as far that want.

[coach greg v]

I do too!! He has everything it takes. This is a good thing, I believe.

I encouraged him to do it when we were discussing it at the CBHOF banquet. Every tape I've seen of him shows a very technically skilled fighter. I enjoyed talking to him; he expresses himself very well. I've only met Frankie the one time, so it's more of a gut feeling, but I think he'd be a good trainer.

He would make a good trainer, I agree with that. but one thing with Frankie, when he retired, he retired!!, he doesn't have it in his heart to continue in boxing in any capacity. I tried get him to become a referee, he said he would think about it, that as far that want.

>If he does it he does it. it is different now. I respect him for staying out.

[raylawpc]

Well Greg, the problem is that I am not a writer.....

Hire a ghost writer!

I am afraid of ghosts....

I was serious. 90% of the those books written by politicians and self-help gurus are written by ghost writers. It's actually an easy and enjoyable process, I'm told. You hire the writer, spend time with him or her telling your stories, and they write it up in a book. They are still your thoughts and stories, but they are written up by a professional writer.

There is a divorce lawyer here in St. Louis who has done it for several self-help books. (He advertises his firm that way) He was encouraging me to write some self-help estate planning books the same way. I went so far as to interview a ghost writer before I decided to retire and dropped the idea.

[raylawpc]

I do too!! He has everything it takes. This is a good thing, I believe.

I encouraged him to do it when we were discussing it at the CBHOF banquet. Every tape I've seen of him shows a very technically skilled fighter. I enjoyed talking to him; he expresses himself very well. I've only met Frankie the one time, so it's more of a gut feeling, but I think he'd be a good trainer.

He would make a good trainer, I agree with that. but one thing with Frankie, when he retired, he retired!!, he doesn't have it in his heart to continue in boxing in any capacity. I tried get him to become a referee, he said he would think about it, that as far that want.

Really? Hmmm . . . he sounded really interested. He's the one who brought it up. Maybe you should mention it to him . . .

[coach greg v]

I encouraged him to do it when we were discussing it at the CBHOF banquet. Every tape I've seen of him shows a very technically skilled fighter. I enjoyed talking to him; he expresses himself very well. I've only met Frankie the one time, so it's more of a gut feeling, but I think he'd be a good trainer.

He would make a good trainer, I agree with that. but one thing with Frankie, when he retired, he retired!!, he doesn't have it in his heart to continue in boxing in any capacity. I tried get him to become a referee, he said he would think about it, that as far that want.

Really? Hmmm . . . he sounded really interested. He's the one who brought it up. Maybe you should mention it to him . . .

> frank do u remember your sons fight against zaragosa in stockton

[kikibalt]

He would make a good trainer, I agree with that. but one thing with Frankie, when he retired, he retired!!, he doesn't have it in his heart to continue in boxing in any capacity. I tried get him to become a referee, he said he would think about it, that as far that want.

Really? Hmmm . . . he sounded really interested. He's the one who brought it up. Maybe you should mention it to him . . .

> frank do u remember your sons fight against zaragosa in stockton

Yeah, I'll write something on it tomorrow.

[kikibalt]

I encouraged him to do it when we were discussing it at the CBHOF banquet. Every tape I've seen of him shows a very technically skilled fighter. I enjoyed talking to him; he expresses himself very well. I've only met Frankie the one time, so it's more of a gut feeling, but I think he'd be a good trainer.

He would make a good trainer, I agree with that. but one thing with Frankie, when he retired, he retired!!, he doesn't have it in his heart to continue in boxing in any capacity. I tried get him to become a referee, he said he would think about it, that as far that want.

Really? Hmmm . . . he sounded really interested. He's the one who brought it up. Maybe you should mention it to him . . .

That's funny because he has never express an interests to me about doing anything like that.

[raylawpc]

He would make a good trainer, I agree with that. but one thing with Frankie, when he retired, he retired!!, he doesn't have it in his heart to continue in boxing in any capacity. I tried get him to become a referee, he said he would think about it, that as far that want.

Really? Hmmm . . . he sounded really interested. He's the one who brought it up. Maybe you should mention it to him . . .

That's funny because he has never express an interests to me about doing anything like that.

I PMed you about it.

[CNorkusJr]

Though Atlas didnt say so when he talked about TV productions nowadays while addressing Ring 8 members, one could get the impression that TV dictates exactly what they want to hear out of their analysts and colormen. Atlas did say that the major stations that carry the fights like HBO & Showtime have technically a huge stake on what fighters they show and want to be successful.If HBO continued to show bum of the month fights like they did for awhile-their goes their viewership to other stations. Their goes their support from the different alphabets,thus losing eventually the promoters too.Thus the money.
All big business.

There is no doubt that the announcers are slanted towards one fighter over another. If their man is winning-then everything good about the man is pushed to the extreme including the "clean lifestyle he has". Atlas tells you why he is successful in the ring that night.

If their boy is losing-then the announcers dont make it look like a train wreck unless the man goes down several times or KO'd early. How many big upsets do you see on TV anyway.Favorites losing yes-but big,not many. TV is part of the show business side now.
It was once a very pliable trade that featured great fighters against each other and announced correctly. Even up till the 90's. But now the stations have too much money at stake-more than the fighters could ever make individually-and you need custom brewed announcers to flavor the fight just right for what hopes to be the TV boxing matinee idol for their next time on TV.
It sucks.Lampley, forget Merchant, Toney,Kellerman,Atlas are only shills for the networks.
Keep this in mind next time you listen to their rhetoric and compare to what your seeing on TV.

[raylawpc]

Though Atlas didnt say so when he talked about TV productions nowadays while addressing Ring 8 members, one could get the impression that TV dictates exactly what they want to hear out of their analysts and colormen. Atlas did say that the major stations that carry the fights like HBO & Showtime have technically a huge stake on what fighters they show and want to be successful.If HBO continued to show bum of the month fights like they did for awhile-their goes their viewership to other stations. Their goes their support from the different alphabets,thus losing eventually the promoters too.Thus the money.
All big business.

There is no doubt that the announcers are slanted towards one fighter over another. If their man is winning-then everything good about the man is pushed to the extreme including the "clean lifestyle he has". Atlas tells you why he is successful in the ring that night.

If their boy is losing-then the announcers dont make it look like a train wreck unless the man goes down several times or KO'd early. How many big upsets do you see on TV anyway.Favorites losing yes-but big,not many. TV is part of the show business side now.
It was once a very pliable trade that featured great fighters against each other and announced correctly. Even up till the 90's. But now the stations have too much money at stake-more than the fighters could ever make individually-and you need custom brewed announcers to flavor the fight just right for what hopes to be the TV boxing matinee idol for their next time on TV.
It sucks.Lampley, forget Merchant, Toney,Kellerman,Atlas are only shills for the networks.
Keep this in mind next time you listen to their rhetoric and compare to what your seeing on TV.

I started using the mute button on my TV set a long time ago.

[CNorkusJr]

Just got in from a rain-soaked pre-season Jets vs Cincinatti Bengels game. Jets in a blowout.
Plaxico Burress 3 huge catches from Sanchez-one a 30 yd TD pass.
Sanchez looking sharp,only played first half. Jets looking good right now but players saying they need more time to gel even better.

For you LA guys: NY Jets announced last month that since Mark Sanchez has such a huge following in South California- some radio station out of LA (I didnt get the call letters or number) has picked up broadcasting ALL the Jets games live to you guys for the season.
It went to state that since football virtually disappeared from the LA area,that they would expect alot of fans to tune in.
I wouldn't expect one man like Sanchez would get that respect-but he is looking good so far.
One thing left to do-GO GREEN

[Rick Farris]

Though Atlas didnt say so when he talked about TV productions nowadays while addressing Ring 8 members, one could get the impression that TV dictates exactly what they want to hear out of their analysts and colormen. Atlas did say that the major stations that carry the fights like HBO & Showtime have technically a huge stake on what fighters they show and want to be successful.If HBO continued to show bum of the month fights like they did for awhile-their goes their viewership to other stations. Their goes their support from the different alphabets,thus losing eventually the promoters too.Thus the money.
All big business.

There is no doubt that the announcers are slanted towards one fighter over another. If their man is winning-then everything good about the man is pushed to the extreme including the "clean lifestyle he has". Atlas tells you why he is successful in the ring that night.

If their boy is losing-then the announcers dont make it look like a train wreck unless the man goes down several times or KO'd early. How many big upsets do you see on TV anyway.Favorites losing yes-but big,not many. TV is part of the show business side now.
It was once a very pliable trade that featured great fighters against each other and announced correctly. Even up till the 90's. But now the stations have too much money at stake-more than the fighters could ever make individually-and you need custom brewed announcers to flavor the fight just right for what hopes to be the TV boxing matinee idol for their next time on TV.
It sucks.Lampley, forget Merchant, Toney,Kellerman,Atlas are only shills for the networks.
Keep this in mind next time you listen to their rhetoric and compare to what your seeing on TV.

I think Mel Epstein would say:

"The root of the problem in boxing, America, and the world in general is Ed Sullivan.
The bastid brought them filthy Beatles over here and they was loaded with screw woims from walking barefoot.
Now the kids all are infected with screw woims. And that Elvis was a degenerate bastid, glad he's dead."

Why not?

[CNorkusJr]

Though Atlas didnt say so when he talked about TV productions nowadays while addressing Ring 8 members, one could get the impression that TV dictates exactly what they want to hear out of their analysts and colormen. Atlas did say that the major stations that carry the fights like HBO & Showtime have technically a huge stake on what fighters they show and want to be successful.If HBO continued to show bum of the month fights like they did for awhile-their goes their viewership to other stations. Their goes their support from the different alphabets,thus losing eventually the promoters too.Thus the money.
All big business.

There is no doubt that the announcers are slanted towards one fighter over another. If their man is winning-then everything good about the man is pushed to the extreme including the "clean lifestyle he has". Atlas tells you why he is successful in the ring that night.

If their boy is losing-then the announcers dont make it look like a train wreck unless the man goes down several times or KO'd early. How many big upsets do you see on TV anyway.Favorites losing yes-but big,not many. TV is part of the show business side now.
It was once a very pliable trade that featured great fighters against each other and announced correctly. Even up till the 90's. But now the stations have too much money at stake-more than the fighters could ever make individually-and you need custom brewed announcers to flavor the fight just right for what hopes to be the TV boxing matinee idol for their next time on TV.
It sucks.Lampley, forget Merchant, Toney,Kellerman,Atlas are only shills for the networks.
Keep this in mind next time you listen to their rhetoric and compare to what your seeing on TV.

I started using the mute button on my TV set a long time ago.

My father started to do that in the 80's, and we enjoyed the fights even better. I haven't heard a Larry Merchant rant in awhile now.

[kikibalt]

Hire a ghost writer!

I am afraid of ghosts....

I was serious. 90% of the those books written by politicians and self-help gurus are written by ghost writers. It's actually an easy and enjoyable process, I'm told. You hire the writer, spend time with him or her telling your stories, and they write it up in a book. They are still your thoughts and stories, but they are written up by a professional writer.

There is a divorce lawyer here in St. Louis who has done it for several self-help books. (He advertises his firm that way) He was encouraging me to write some self-help estate planning books the same way. I went so far as to interview a ghost writer before I decided to retire and dropped the idea.

I know what you're saying Tom, but it wouldn't feel right to me having somebody else write my words, I rather write everything my way, bad grammar, misspells and all. I am not looking to publish a book, all my short stories I post here and elsewhere I am saving for my kids/grand kids/great grand kids to read long after I am gone...thanks for your encouragement though, believe me its appreciated.

[CNorkusJr]

Though Atlas didnt say so when he talked about TV productions nowadays while addressing Ring 8 members, one could get the impression that TV dictates exactly what they want to hear out of their analysts and colormen. Atlas did say that the major stations that carry the fights like HBO & Showtime have technically a huge stake on what fighters they show and want to be successful.If HBO continued to show bum of the month fights like they did for awhile-their goes their viewership to other stations. Their goes their support from the different alphabets,thus losing eventually the promoters too.Thus the money.
All big business.

There is no doubt that the announcers are slanted towards one fighter over another. If their man is winning-then everything good about the man is pushed to the extreme including the "clean lifestyle he has". Atlas tells you why he is successful in the ring that night.

If their boy is losing-then the announcers dont make it look like a train wreck unless the man goes down several times or KO'd early. How many big upsets do you see on TV anyway.Favorites losing yes-but big,not many. TV is part of the show business side now.
It was once a very pliable trade that featured great fighters against each other and announced correctly. Even up till the 90's. But now the stations have too much money at stake-more than the fighters could ever make individually-and you need custom brewed announcers to flavor the fight just right for what hopes to be the TV boxing matinee idol for their next time on TV.
It sucks.Lampley, forget Merchant, Toney,Kellerman,Atlas are only shills for the networks.
Keep this in mind next time you listen to their rhetoric and compare to what your seeing on TV.

I think Mel Epstein would say:

"The root of the problem in boxing, America, and the world in general is Ed Sullivan.
The bastid brought them filthy Beatles over here and they was loaded with screw woims from walking barefoot.
Now the kids all are infected with screw woims. And that Elvis was a degenerate bastid, glad he's dead."

Why not?

[Rick Farris]

I am afraid of ghosts....

I was serious. 90% of the those books written by politicians and self-help gurus are written by ghost writers. It's actually an easy and enjoyable process, I'm told. You hire the writer, spend time with him or her telling your stories, and they write it up in a book. They are still your thoughts and stories, but they are written up by a professional writer.

There is a divorce lawyer here in St. Louis who has done it for several self-help books. (He advertises his firm that way) He was encouraging me to write some self-help estate planning books the same way. I went so far as to interview a ghost writer before I decided to retire and dropped the idea.

I know what you're saying Tom, but it wouldn't feel right to me having somebody else write my words, I rather write everything my way, bad grammar, misspells and all. I am not looking to publish a book, all my short stories I post here and elsewhere I am saving for my kids/grand kids/great grand kids to read long after I am gone...thanks for your encouragement though, believe me its appreciated.

A ghost writer could not tell those stories like Frank. Not even come close. They weren't there!

[raylawpc]

Though Atlas didnt say so when he talked about TV productions nowadays while addressing Ring 8 members, one could get the impression that TV dictates exactly what they want to hear out of their analysts and colormen. Atlas did say that the major stations that carry the fights like HBO & Showtime have technically a huge stake on what fighters they show and want to be successful.If HBO continued to show bum of the month fights like they did for awhile-their goes their viewership to other stations. Their goes their support from the different alphabets,thus losing eventually the promoters too.Thus the money.
All big business.

There is no doubt that the announcers are slanted towards one fighter over another. If their man is winning-then everything good about the man is pushed to the extreme including the "clean lifestyle he has". Atlas tells you why he is successful in the ring that night.

If their boy is losing-then the announcers dont make it look like a train wreck unless the man goes down several times or KO'd early. How many big upsets do you see on TV anyway.Favorites losing yes-but big,not many. TV is part of the show business side now.
It was once a very pliable trade that featured great fighters against each other and announced correctly. Even up till the 90's. But now the stations have too much money at stake-more than the fighters could ever make individually-and you need custom brewed announcers to flavor the fight just right for what hopes to be the TV boxing matinee idol for their next time on TV.
It sucks.Lampley, forget Merchant, Toney,Kellerman,Atlas are only shills for the networks.
Keep this in mind next time you listen to their rhetoric and compare to what your seeing on TV.

I started using the mute button on my TV set a long time ago.

My father started to do that in the 80's, and we enjoyed the fights even better. I haven't heard a Larry Merchant rant in awhile now.

Which one is Larry Merchant?

[coach greg v]

I started using the mute button on my TV set a long time ago.

My father started to do that in the 80's, and we enjoyed the fights even better. I haven't heard a Larry Merchant rant in awhile now.

Which one is Larry Merchant?

. he si the sober one rothfl....hbo and sho have boxing sewn up

[coach greg v]

I was serious. 90% of the those books written by politicians and self-help gurus are written by ghost writers. It's actually an easy and enjoyable process, I'm told. You hire the writer, spend time with him or her telling your stories, and they write it up in a book. They are still your thoughts and stories, but they are written up by a professional writer.

There is a divorce lawyer here in St. Louis who has done it for several self-help books. (He advertises his firm that way) He was encouraging me to write some self-help estate planning books the same way. I went so far as to interview a ghost writer before I decided to retire and dropped the idea.

I know what you're saying Tom, but it wouldn't feel right to me having somebody else write my words, I rather write everything my way, bad grammar, misspells and all. I am not looking to publish a book, all my short stories I post here and elsewhere I am saving for my kids/grand kids/great grand kids to read long after I am gone...thanks for your encouragement though, believe me its appreciated.

A ghost writer could not tell those stories like Frank. Not even come close. They weren't there!

. no but u were big time

[Cholo]

Rick, Mel Epstein was a character, I find myself saying Screw Woims and Bastid, it's catching..

[kikibalt]

Rick, Mel Epstein was a character, I find myself saying Screw Woims and Bastid, it's catching..

[Rick Farris]

Just got in from a rain-soaked pre-season Jets vs Cincinatti Bengels game. Jets in a blowout.
Plaxico Burress 3 huge catches from Sanchez-one a 30 yd TD pass.
Sanchez looking sharp,only played first half. Jets looking good right now but players saying they need more time to gel even better.

For you LA guys: NY Jets announced last month that since Mark Sanchez has such a huge following in South California- some radio station out of LA (I didnt get the call letters or number) has picked up broadcasting ALL the Jets games live to you guys for the season.
It went to state that since football virtually disappeared from the LA area,that they would expect alot of fans to tune in.
I wouldn't expect one man like Sanchez would get that respect-but he is looking good so far.
One thing left to do-GO GREEN

Jets!

[coach greg v]

Just got in from a rain-soaked pre-season Jets vs Cincinatti Bengels game. Jets in a blowout.
Plaxico Burress 3 huge catches from Sanchez-one a 30 yd TD pass.
Sanchez looking sharp,only played first half. Jets looking good right now but players saying they need more time to gel even better.

For you LA guys: NY Jets announced last month that since Mark Sanchez has such a huge following in South California- some radio station out of LA (I didnt get the call letters or number) has picked up broadcasting ALL the Jets games live to you guys for the season.
It went to state that since football virtually disappeared from the LA area,that they would expect alot of fans to tune in.
I wouldn't expect one man like Sanchez would get that respect-but he is looking good so far.
One thing left to do-GO GREEN

Jets!

> YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING

[Rick Farris]

Just got in from a rain-soaked pre-season Jets vs Cincinatti Bengels game. Jets in a blowout.
Plaxico Burress 3 huge catches from Sanchez-one a 30 yd TD pass.
Sanchez looking sharp,only played first half. Jets looking good right now but players saying they need more time to gel even better.

For you LA guys: NY Jets announced last month that since Mark Sanchez has such a huge following in South California- some radio station out of LA (I didnt get the call letters or number) has picked up broadcasting ALL the Jets games live to you guys for the season.
It went to state that since football virtually disappeared from the LA area,that they would expect alot of fans to tune in.
I wouldn't expect one man like Sanchez would get that respect-but he is looking good so far.
One thing left to do-GO GREEN

The last Pop Warner football team I played on was the Garden Grove Jets in 1964. I like the name, "Jets".

Jets!

> YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING

No kidding. We haven't had a football team in L.A. in years.
The Raiders come down here thirty years ago and tease us with our first Super Bowl Championship.
Then the bastids turn Hollywood and fall apart. I was glad when Al Davis went back to Oakland.
The Rams? I was happy Georgia F. did L.A. a favor and moved to St. Louis. We were happy to see them go.
Let's face it, we know the 49'ers and Raiders will not bring a Super Bowl to the Golden State, that's just a memory.
San Diego? Forget about it. I like San Diego teams and the city itself about as much as Mel Epstein liked The Beatles.
The Jets have a "Southern" California QB (USC no less) playing for a team with solid NY fans.
The combination of the two (I have a lot of NY buddies here in LA) works well for me.
Sanchez is a Chicano, no prima donna. Two years NFL experience and both years led the team to division finals.
This year, maybe a Super Bowl? Win or lose, the Jets are my team.
I really don't care if LA gets an NFL team or not. If they bring some Mid West team here I'll never attend a game.
The L.A. Browns?
Maybe if California had a few major sports franchises (besides the Lakers) that were capable of winning on a regular basis, the fans here will get into the games and not feel a need to create violence at our stadiums. What happened in the parking lot of Dodger Stadium recently, and at the Raiders-49'ers game this weekend, is unacceptable.
The last Pop Warner Football team I played on before beginning my boxing career was the Garden Grove Jets, 1964.
I like the name, I like the team, and I like their city & fans. In L.A. sports fans won't tolerate a loser for very long.
LA fans are not loyal to losers. That has been proven beyond question, we'll drop a loser in a hert beat.