I guess it's me. I just noticed he has removed me as a friend on Facebook.kikibalt wrote:Who's the phony bitch??Rick Farris wrote:3 1/2 years - 7000+ posts = 5 1/2 posts per day . . .
This has been a nice run, however, I won't tolerate a phony bitch.
Moving on, adios.
CNorkusJr wrote::
Heard in passing: The earthquake here passed through Virginia,Washington DC and up and down the coastline. Scientists are saying it happened on the Obama Fault line,but the
White House denied this claim saying that it happened on the Bush Fault Line.
Talk to you all sooner than later. Charlie
raylawpc wrote:I guess it's me. I just noticed he has removed me as a friend on Facebook.kikibalt wrote:Who's the phony bitch??Rick Farris wrote:3 1/2 years - 7000+ posts = 5 1/2 posts per day . . .
This has been a nice run, however, I won't tolerate a phony bitch.
Moving on, adios.
Bummer. I hope he comes back. I always enjoyed his posts.
kikibalt wrote:raylawpc wrote:I guess it's me. I just noticed he has removed me as a friend on Facebook.kikibalt wrote: Who's the phony bitch??
Bummer. I hope he comes back. I always enjoyed his posts.
I know I miss Rick too!~!!!!!> Frank were u at the oliveras arguello fight??? just got the dvdcoach greg v wrote:kikibalt wrote:raylawpc wrote: I guess it's me. I just noticed he has removed me as a friend on Facebook.
Bummer. I hope he comes back. I always enjoyed his posts.
Just tell them you know me and they will let you in.kikibalt wrote:Never on both....Never had a Passport in my life....other than going to T.J. I have never been out of the U.S.... :Pbennie wrote:When are you coming over, Frankie? Have you ever been to Europe?kikibalt wrote:Thanks for the U.K. boxing news Bennie....
DDNope, Don't remember why not, but I might have been out of town...coach greg v wrote:> Frank were u at the oliveras arguello fight??? just got the dvdcoach greg v wrote:kikibalt wrote:
They won't call me a wetback??...bennie wrote:Just tell them you know me and they will let you in.kikibalt wrote:Never on both....Never had a Passport in my life....other than going to T.J. I have never been out of the U.S.... :Pbennie wrote: When are you coming over, Frankie? Have you ever been to Europe?
Alexis Arguello was a monster in the ring. I remember the time we were offered 35k for an Alexis/Frankie fight, Jackie McCoy and I talked it over. We decided that Frankie wasn't ready for AA at that point, hell, Frankie would probably never be ready for AA at any point. But we didn't want to say no and maybe close the door for future fights. We decided to out price ourselves by asking for 75k and hoping we would be turned down, which we were. Ruben Castillo took the fight and got his ass handed to him...AA was a very strong fighter, great power, but was not a good boxer, Frankie by far was the better boxer/technician, but I don't think he had the fire power or was strong enough to hang with AA.raylawpc wrote:In the 1970s, probably my two favorite West Coast fighters were Armando Muniz and Ruben Olivares. When Olivares fought Arguello, one of my friends, James Martinez, was on the undercard v. Carlos Zarate. Pat O'Grady took Martinez out to LA for the fight.
I remember going by the ticket office the day before the fight, and Mrs. O'Grady was just getting off the phone. She told me she'd just talked to Pat and he said to tell me that "your favorite fighter is going to get his ass whipped tomorrow night." She said that Pat had seen Arguello working out and Pat was sure he was going to stop Olivares. "No way," I thought, but O'Grady was right.
When Pat got back to Oklahoma City, all he could do was rave about Arguello. I remember him saying that "This kid is one of the best natural punchers I've ever seen. He's gonna stay champion for a long time." And again, he was right.
RIP Alexis Arguello!
That was probably a good decision, but $35,000 had to be hard to turn down.kikibalt wrote:Alexis Arguello was a monster in the ring. I remember the time we were offered 35k for an Alexis/Frankie fight, Jackie McCoy and I talked it over. We decided that Frankie wasn't ready for AA at that point, hell, Frankie would probably never be ready for AA at any point. But we didn't want to say no and maybe close the door for future fights. We decided to out price ourselves by asking for 75k and hoping we would be turned down, which we were. Ruben Castillo took the fight and got his ass handed to him...AA was a very strong fighter, great power, but was not a good boxer, Frankie by far was the better boxer/technician, but I don't think he had the fire power or was strong enough to hang with AA.raylawpc wrote:In the 1970s, probably my two favorite West Coast fighters were Armando Muniz and Ruben Olivares. When Olivares fought Arguello, one of my friends, James Martinez, was on the undercard v. Carlos Zarate. Pat O'Grady took Martinez out to LA for the fight.
I remember going by the ticket office the day before the fight, and Mrs. O'Grady was just getting off the phone. She told me she'd just talked to Pat and he said to tell me that "your favorite fighter is going to get his ass whipped tomorrow night." She said that Pat had seen Arguello working out and Pat was sure he was going to stop Olivares. "No way," I thought, but O'Grady was right.
When Pat got back to Oklahoma City, all he could do was rave about Arguello. I remember him saying that "This kid is one of the best natural punchers I've ever seen. He's gonna stay champion for a long time." And again, he was right.
RIP Alexis Arguello!
I am a firm believer in picking the right fight. If you're going to pick a fight, pick one that you think you're going to win...or at least have a 50-50 chance of winning, and in this case Frankie imo didn't have a 50-50 chance of winning...
Yeah! 35G's was hard to turn down, but Frankie was able to fight another day...raylawpc wrote:That was probably a good decision, but $35,000 had to be hard to turn down.kikibalt wrote:Alexis Arguello was a monster in the ring. I remember the time we were offered 35k for an Alexis/Frankie fight, Jackie McCoy and I talked it over. We decided that Frankie wasn't ready for AA at that point, hell, Frankie would probably never be ready for AA at any point. But we didn't want to say no and maybe close the door for future fights. We decided to out price ourselves by asking for 75k and hoping we would be turned down, which we were. Ruben Castillo took the fight and got his ass handed to him...AA was a very strong fighter, great power, but was not a good boxer, Frankie by far was the better boxer/technician, but I don't think he had the fire power or was strong enough to hang with AA.raylawpc wrote:In the 1970s, probably my two favorite West Coast fighters were Armando Muniz and Ruben Olivares. When Olivares fought Arguello, one of my friends, James Martinez, was on the undercard v. Carlos Zarate. Pat O'Grady took Martinez out to LA for the fight.
I remember going by the ticket office the day before the fight, and Mrs. O'Grady was just getting off the phone. She told me she'd just talked to Pat and he said to tell me that "your favorite fighter is going to get his ass whipped tomorrow night." She said that Pat had seen Arguello working out and Pat was sure he was going to stop Olivares. "No way," I thought, but O'Grady was right.
When Pat got back to Oklahoma City, all he could do was rave about Arguello. I remember him saying that "This kid is one of the best natural punchers I've ever seen. He's gonna stay champion for a long time." And again, he was right.
RIP Alexis Arguello!
I am a firm believer in picking the right fight. If you're going to pick a fight, pick one that you think you're going to win...or at least have a 50-50 chance of winning, and in this case Frankie imo didn't have a 50-50 chance of winning...
Did you see the Arguello-Olivares fight? James Martinez fought on the undercard against Carlos Zarate. Do you remember that fight? Jimmy was a sweet fighter, but couldn't break an egg.
> I just got that dvd of AAvs Olivares very very hard fight...kikibalt wrote:Yeah! 35G's was hard to turn down, but Frankie was able to fight another day...raylawpc wrote:That was probably a good decision, but $35,000 had to be hard to turn down.kikibalt wrote: Alexis Arguello was a monster in the ring. I remember the time we were offered 35k for an Alexis/Frankie fight, Jackie McCoy and I talked it over. We decided that Frankie wasn't ready for AA at that point, hell, Frankie would probably never be ready for AA at any point. But we didn't want to say no and maybe close the door for future fights. We decided to out price ourselves by asking for 75k and hoping we would be turned down, which we were. Ruben Castillo took the fight and got his ass handed to him...AA was a very strong fighter, great power, but was not a good boxer, Frankie by far was the better boxer/technician, but I don't think he had the fire power or was strong enough to hang with AA.
I am a firm believer in picking the right fight. If you're going to pick a fight, pick one that you think you're going to win...or at least have a 50-50 chance of winning, and in this case Frankie imo didn't have a 50-50 chance of winning...
Did you see the Arguello-Olivares fight? James Martinez fought on the undercard against Carlos Zarate. Do you remember that fight? Jimmy was a sweet fighter, but couldn't break an egg.
Nope, Don't remember why not, but I might have been out of town...
It's been years since I've seen it. As I recall, Olivares appeared in control until Arguello landed that cracker of a left hook in the 13th. Olivares couldn't recover from that.coach greg v wrote:> I just got that dvd of AAvs Olivares very very hard fight...kikibalt wrote:Yeah! 35G's was hard to turn down, but Frankie was able to fight another day...raylawpc wrote: That was probably a good decision, but $35,000 had to be hard to turn down.
Did you see the Arguello-Olivares fight? James Martinez fought on the undercard against Carlos Zarate. Do you remember that fight? Jimmy was a sweet fighter, but couldn't break an egg.
Nope, Don't remember why not, but I might have been out of town...
>He made mincemeat of the legend in the 13th round, It was hard to watch...raylawpc wrote:It's been years since I've seen it. As I recall, Olivares appeared in control until Arguello landed that cracker of a left hook in the 13th. Olivares couldn't recover from that.coach greg v wrote:> I just got that dvd of AAvs Olivares very very hard fight...kikibalt wrote: Yeah! 35G's was hard to turn down, but Frankie was able to fight another day...
Nope, Don't remember why not, but I might have been out of town...
As I recall, Olivares appeared to have Arguello in serious trouble in the 12th. I've often wondered if Arguello was genuinely hurt or playing possum because, if memory serves, Olivares really came out swinging in the 13th, and, with Olivares perhaps overanxious, Arguello set him up for that beautiful left.
Too bad we're not all in Alaska, and we could watch it together and see if my memory is any good!
kikibalt wrote:CATHOLIC PARROTS
A lady goes to her priest one day and tells him,
'Father, I have a problem.
I have two female parrots,
but they only know how to say one thing.'
'What do they say?' the priest inquired.
They say,
'Hi, we're hookers!
Do you want to have some fun?'
That's obscene!' the priest exclaimed,
then he thought for a moment.
'You know,' he said,
'I may have a solution to your problem.
I have two male talking parrots,
which I have taught to pray and read the Bible.
Bring your two parrots over to my house,
and we'll put them in the cage with Francis and Peter.
My parrots can teach your parrots to praise and worship,
and your parrots are sure to stop saying . .
that phrase . .. in no time.'
Thank you,' the woman responded,
'this may very well be the solution.'
The next day,
she brought her female parrots to the priest's house.
As he ushered her in,
she saw that his two male parrots
were inside their cage holding rosary beads and praying.
Impressed,
she walked over and placed her parrots in with them.
After a few minutes,
the female parrots cried out in unison:
Hi, we're hookers!
Do you want to have some fun?'
There was stunned silence.
Shocked,
one male parrot looked over at the other male parrot
and exclaimed,
'Put the beads away, Ralph
Our prayers have been answered!'
Frank, the fact that you didn't take that fight, and the money, says a lot about the kind of man, manager and father you are. A lesser man might have opted for the money and risked their son's health. Hell. it doesn't even have to be a son, lots of managers risk their fighters health for a big payday.kikibalt wrote:Alexis Arguello was a monster in the ring. I remember the time we were offered 35k for an Alexis/Frankie fight, Jackie McCoy and I talked it over. We decided that Frankie wasn't ready for AA at that point, hell, Frankie would probably never be ready for AA at any point. But we didn't want to say no and maybe close the door for future fights. We decided to out price ourselves by asking for 75k and hoping we would be turned down, which we were. Ruben Castillo took the fight and got his ass handed to him...AA was a very strong fighter, great power, but was not a good boxer, Frankie by far was the better boxer/technician, but I don't think he had the fire power or was strong enough to hang with AA.raylawpc wrote:In the 1970s, probably my two favorite West Coast fighters were Armando Muniz and Ruben Olivares. When Olivares fought Arguello, one of my friends, James Martinez, was on the undercard v. Carlos Zarate. Pat O'Grady took Martinez out to LA for the fight.
I remember going by the ticket office the day before the fight, and Mrs. O'Grady was just getting off the phone. She told me she'd just talked to Pat and he said to tell me that "your favorite fighter is going to get his ass whipped tomorrow night." She said that Pat had seen Arguello working out and Pat was sure he was going to stop Olivares. "No way," I thought, but O'Grady was right.
When Pat got back to Oklahoma City, all he could do was rave about Arguello. I remember him saying that "This kid is one of the best natural punchers I've ever seen. He's gonna stay champion for a long time." And again, he was right.
RIP Alexis Arguello!
I am a firm believer in picking the right fight. If you're going to pick a fight, pick one that you think you're going to win...or at least have a 50-50 chance of winning, and in this case Frankie imo didn't have a 50-50 chance of winning...
Absolutely. Well put, Randy.Randyman wrote:Frank, the fact that you didn't take that fight, and the money, says a lot about the kind of man, manager and father you are. A lesser man might have opted for the money and risked their son's health. Hell. it doesn't even have to be a son, lots of managers risk their fighters health for a big payday.kikibalt wrote:Alexis Arguello was a monster in the ring. I remember the time we were offered 35k for an Alexis/Frankie fight, Jackie McCoy and I talked it over. We decided that Frankie wasn't ready for AA at that point, hell, Frankie would probably never be ready for AA at any point. But we didn't want to say no and maybe close the door for future fights. We decided to out price ourselves by asking for 75k and hoping we would be turned down, which we were. Ruben Castillo took the fight and got his ass handed to him...AA was a very strong fighter, great power, but was not a good boxer, Frankie by far was the better boxer/technician, but I don't think he had the fire power or was strong enough to hang with AA.raylawpc wrote:In the 1970s, probably my two favorite West Coast fighters were Armando Muniz and Ruben Olivares. When Olivares fought Arguello, one of my friends, James Martinez, was on the undercard v. Carlos Zarate. Pat O'Grady took Martinez out to LA for the fight.
I remember going by the ticket office the day before the fight, and Mrs. O'Grady was just getting off the phone. She told me she'd just talked to Pat and he said to tell me that "your favorite fighter is going to get his ass whipped tomorrow night." She said that Pat had seen Arguello working out and Pat was sure he was going to stop Olivares. "No way," I thought, but O'Grady was right.
When Pat got back to Oklahoma City, all he could do was rave about Arguello. I remember him saying that "This kid is one of the best natural punchers I've ever seen. He's gonna stay champion for a long time." And again, he was right.
RIP Alexis Arguello!
I am a firm believer in picking the right fight. If you're going to pick a fight, pick one that you think you're going to win...or at least have a 50-50 chance of winning, and in this case Frankie imo didn't have a 50-50 chance of winning...
On one hand we don't want our fighters, at any level, to be mollycoddled but neither do we want them thrown to the wolves. It's a fine line and takes a perceptive manager to know the difference. No amount of money is worth a fighters health, or his life. This is why you have our respect. I say this with all sincerity.
Randy, thank you mucho for your kind words....Randyman wrote:Frank, the fact that you didn't take that fight, and the money, says a lot about the kind of man, manager and father you are. A lesser man might have opted for the money and risked their son's health. Hell. it doesn't even have to be a son, lots of managers risk their fighters health for a big payday.kikibalt wrote:Alexis Arguello was a monster in the ring. I remember the time we were offered 35k for an Alexis/Frankie fight, Jackie McCoy and I talked it over. We decided that Frankie wasn't ready for AA at that point, hell, Frankie would probably never be ready for AA at any point. But we didn't want to say no and maybe close the door for future fights. We decided to out price ourselves by asking for 75k and hoping we would be turned down, which we were. Ruben Castillo took the fight and got his ass handed to him...AA was a very strong fighter, great power, but was not a good boxer, Frankie by far was the better boxer/technician, but I don't think he had the fire power or was strong enough to hang with AA.raylawpc wrote:In the 1970s, probably my two favorite West Coast fighters were Armando Muniz and Ruben Olivares. When Olivares fought Arguello, one of my friends, James Martinez, was on the undercard v. Carlos Zarate. Pat O'Grady took Martinez out to LA for the fight.
I remember going by the ticket office the day before the fight, and Mrs. O'Grady was just getting off the phone. She told me she'd just talked to Pat and he said to tell me that "your favorite fighter is going to get his ass whipped tomorrow night." She said that Pat had seen Arguello working out and Pat was sure he was going to stop Olivares. "No way," I thought, but O'Grady was right.
When Pat got back to Oklahoma City, all he could do was rave about Arguello. I remember him saying that "This kid is one of the best natural punchers I've ever seen. He's gonna stay champion for a long time." And again, he was right.
RIP Alexis Arguello!
I am a firm believer in picking the right fight. If you're going to pick a fight, pick one that you think you're going to win...or at least have a 50-50 chance of winning, and in this case Frankie imo didn't have a 50-50 chance of winning...
On one hand we don't want our fighters, at any level, to be mollycoddled but neither do we want them thrown to the wolves. It's a fine line and takes a perceptive manager to know the difference. No amount of money is worth a fighters health, or his life. This is why you have our respect. I say this with all sincerity.
Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing. Abraham Lincolnkikibalt wrote:Randy, thank you mucho for your kind words....Randyman wrote:Frank, the fact that you didn't take that fight, and the money, says a lot about the kind of man, manager and father you are. A lesser man might have opted for the money and risked their son's health. Hell. it doesn't even have to be a son, lots of managers risk their fighters health for a big payday.kikibalt wrote: Alexis Arguello was a monster in the ring. I remember the time we were offered 35k for an Alexis/Frankie fight, Jackie McCoy and I talked it over. We decided that Frankie wasn't ready for AA at that point, hell, Frankie would probably never be ready for AA at any point. But we didn't want to say no and maybe close the door for future fights. We decided to out price ourselves by asking for 75k and hoping we would be turned down, which we were. Ruben Castillo took the fight and got his ass handed to him...AA was a very strong fighter, great power, but was not a good boxer, Frankie by far was the better boxer/technician, but I don't think he had the fire power or was strong enough to hang with AA.
I am a firm believer in picking the right fight. If you're going to pick a fight, pick one that you think you're going to win...or at least have a 50-50 chance of winning, and in this case Frankie imo didn't have a 50-50 chance of winning...
On one hand we don't want our fighters, at any level, to be mollycoddled but neither do we want them thrown to the wolves. It's a fine line and takes a perceptive manager to know the difference. No amount of money is worth a fighters health, or his life. This is why you have our respect. I say this with all sincerity.
Great quote Randy, thanks..Randyman wrote:Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing. Abraham Lincolnkikibalt wrote:Randy, thank you mucho for your kind words....Randyman wrote: Frank, the fact that you didn't take that fight, and the money, says a lot about the kind of man, manager and father you are. A lesser man might have opted for the money and risked their son's health. Hell. it doesn't even have to be a son, lots of managers risk their fighters health for a big payday.
On one hand we don't want our fighters, at any level, to be mollycoddled but neither do we want them thrown to the wolves. It's a fine line and takes a perceptive manager to know the difference. No amount of money is worth a fighters health, or his life. This is why you have our respect. I say this with all sincerity.
