Classic American West Coast Boxing

[Randyman]

Rick, I hope that you change your mind and continue to contribute to this thread. If not, I wish you good luck.

- Chuck Johnston

[Randyman]

Guys, Jeri and I will beheading for New Mexico tomorrow with a stopover at Scottsdale, Arizona and visit with my sister in Phoenix. then onto Las Cruces, NM and a visit with my cousins, Louie and Rocky Burke. Then to Silver City for a visit with my cousin Tony Garcia, who is a locally famous high school football coach. I'll be meeting up with some other family during the trip.

The Hatch Chile Festival will be taking place over the weekend. it's all about the green chile in Hatch. I'll also be checking out the De La O Visitors Center in Dona Ana.

I'll be taking my lap top, so I'll be checking with you guys. I'm looking forward to getting away for a while.

Talk later!

I'll be with relatives for our annual Labor Day reunion . . . but, sadly, no green chili! Have fun, Randy.

Have a great weekend Tom, and don't worry, I'll eat enough green chile for the two of us. By the way, Chili with an "I" is a Texas/Tex-Mex dish that has made it's way across the country. Chile with an "E", can be the vegatable, the meat dish, or a sauce. If you are caught using spelling Chile with an "I' in New Mexico, they'll probably treat you the same way they would a horse thief. I'm just saying!

[kikibalt]

Guys, Jeri and I will beheading for New Mexico tomorrow with a stopover at Scottsdale, Arizona and visit with my sister in Phoenix. then onto Las Cruces, NM and a visit with my cousins, Louie and Rocky Burke. Then to Silver City for a visit with my cousin Tony Garcia, who is a locally famous high school football coach. I'll be meeting up with some other family during the trip.

The Hatch Chile Festival will be taking place over the weekend. it's all about the green chile in Hatch. I'll also be checking out the De La O Visitors Center in Dona Ana.

I'll be taking my lap top, so I'll be checking with you guys. I'm looking forward to getting away for a while.

Talk later!

I'll be with relatives for our annual Labor Day reunion . . . but, sadly, no green chili! Have fun, Randy.

Have a great weekend Tom, and don't worry, I'll eat enough green chile for the two of us. By the way, Chili with an "I" is a Texas/Tex-Mex dish that has made it's way across the country. Chile with an "E", can be the vegatable, the meat dish, or a sauce. If you are caught using spelling Chile with an "I' in New Mexico, they'll probably treat you the same way they would a horse thief. I'm just saying!

...Hope you and Jeri have a good time Randy...

[kikibalt]

For Charlie Norkus

http://framework.latimes.com/2011/08/29/rescue5/

[CNorkusJr]

For Charlie Norkus

http://framework.latimes.com/2011/08/29/rescue5/

Thanks Frank.

FDNY Rescue companies (there are 5) are heavy-duty rescue units that carry specialized equipment not found on other types of fire rigs.
One of each units are located in each borough of NYC and are called into action only during the bigger fires or emergencies in NYC.
They also respond to regular calls of fire/emergency in their immediate area of where they are located with their firehouse.

Best analogy I can give you is-police have special swat teams with alot of special equipment, FDNY has Rescue companies. Originaly formed back in the early 1900's to specifically help trapped or hurt firefighters in fires/collapses or emergencies, they have progressed to helping the public more often,but is still relied upon to "taking that extra step" into getting people out of very dire situations,putting themselves into harms way each time.
Because they patrol entire boroughs,they respond to more difficult situations than other fire rigs,and see much more "serious action". The firefighters earn many medals for bravery during their careers and train much more heavily in unique positions.
One example is SCUBA diving. All members are required to be SCUBA certified and are trained in underwater operations of all types of emergencies. We have had several helicopter and plane crashes into the Hudson & East Rivers during my career.

They are trained in medical emergencies like all firefighters but they are not an ambyulance as one might consider in their name Rescue.

They are the elite and are well deserved of any honors they get.

[telboy66]

For Charlie Norkus

http://framework.latimes.com/2011/08/29/rescue5/

Thanks Frank.

FDNY Rescue companies (there are 5) are heavy-duty rescue units that carry specialized equipment not found on other types of fire rigs.
One of each units are located in each borough of NYC and are called into action only during the bigger fires or emergencies in NYC.
They also respond to regular calls of fire/emergency in their immediate area of where they are located with their firehouse.

Best analogy I can give you is-police have special swat teams with alot of special equipment, FDNY has Rescue companies. Originaly formed back in the early 1900's to specifically help trapped or hurt firefighters in fires/collapses or emergencies, they have progressed to helping the public more often,but is still relied upon to "taking that extra step" into getting people out of very dire situations,putting themselves into harms way each time.
Because they patrol entire boroughs,they respond to more difficult situations than other fire rigs,and see much more "serious action". The firefighters earn many medals for bravery during their careers and train much more heavily in unique positions.
One example is SCUBA diving. All members are required to be SCUBA certified and are trained in underwater operations of all types of emergencies. We have had several helicopter and plane crashes into the Hudson & East Rivers during my career.

They are trained in medical emergencies like all firefighters but they are not an ambyulance as one might consider in their name Rescue.

They are the elite and are well deserved of any honors they get.

Charlie is it true ? I have been reading that FDNY have not been invited to the 9/11 rememberance at Ground zero this year, who on earth thought this one up, They of all groups should be at the front

[CNorkusJr]

For Charlie Norkus

http://framework.latimes.com/2011/08/29/rescue5/

Thanks Frank.

FDNY Rescue companies (there are 5) are heavy-duty rescue units that carry specialized equipment not found on other types of fire rigs.
One of each units are located in each borough of NYC and are called into action only during the bigger fires or emergencies in NYC.
They also respond to regular calls of fire/emergency in their immediate area of where they are located with their firehouse.

Best analogy I can give you is-police have special swat teams with alot of special equipment, FDNY has Rescue companies. Originaly formed back in the early 1900's to specifically help trapped or hurt firefighters in fires/collapses or emergencies, they have progressed to helping the public more often,but is still relied upon to "taking that extra step" into getting people out of very dire situations,putting themselves into harms way each time.
Because they patrol entire boroughs,they respond to more difficult situations than other fire rigs,and see much more "serious action". The firefighters earn many medals for bravery during their careers and train much more heavily in unique positions.
One example is SCUBA diving. All members are required to be SCUBA certified and are trained in underwater operations of all types of emergencies. We have had several helicopter and plane crashes into the Hudson & East Rivers during my career.

They are trained in medical emergencies like all firefighters but they are not an ambyulance as one might consider in their name Rescue.

They are the elite and are well deserved of any honors they get.

Charlie is it true ? I have been reading that FDNY have not been invited to the 9/11 rememberance at Ground zero this year, who on earth thought this one up, They of all groups should be at the front

Unfortunately it is true. But I think to put things in perspective,you must deal with some facts first.
There has been tremendous strides in the rebuilding of the huge site,especially over the last 2-3 years. The first 7 years there was a much greater area to fit the huge throngs of people who have come to the site to be a part of the ceremonies there. Because the re-building has taken over much of that open area-there is a much smaller area to place people in the sight lines of the ceremonies. You must remember that the ceremonies taking place there encompass families from the entire 2,700+ who lost their lives,and others who were injured as well. The crowds were well over 10,000 strong not including tourists.

This was expected as time moved on.Many of those killed on 9-11, their remains have never been found or identified. (A huge refrigerated trailer contains many bone fragments waiting to be id'd via DNA or other new future technology and a huge on-going arguement is going on over this fact also).

What has occurred 10 years ago has developed in to many scenarios. Many firehouses has had their own memorials placed throughout the city,in parks or business areas which have donated space for such tributes to be held,close by to many firehouses.
For example: My firehouse which lost 15 firefighters alone that day has had a small cement park next to a highrise apt bldg on 48 St & 8th ave in Manhattan, turned into a memorial site for us,adjacent and across the street from our firehouse. A 4 foot high granite block waterfall with each of the firefighters names are etched into the granite lies in the center.
Trees and benches are alined in the area for people to visit,rest or pay respects if they wish and is open to the public in daylight hours.

Since 2002,my firehouse holds our rememberance service there every 9-11 starting at 8:30 am.Families of those deceased do come to our services as well as the public is also invited,but we do not advertise the fact. We usually get all active firefighters from our house, retired members like me who were active on 9-11,and guests that number about 300 people total. Broadway actors/singers volunteer to take turns each year to sing 2 songs of rememberances (we are near the theatre district). Prayers are said and families and friends place individual Roses around the monument with songs played by a violinists accompany music for us. Very Solemn. At the time of each attack hour as well as the buildings falling-a moment of silence and a large bell is struck signifying the time.
(Note-In each firehouse in NYC,there is a huge intercom system,and on 9-11 each firecompany working and in firehouse (they might be out on an alarm) is brought to attention and bells are struck at these exact minutes also over the intercom.
After the firehouse ceremony ,we then all walk over to St Patricks Cathedral for a Special Mass said for our members at 11 am.Since this years 9-11 is on a Sunday,it will be incorparated into the regular Mass schedule.As with all events,ALL are welcome to attend.
Not all firehouses have such memorials. My guess is about 30 or so,so many firefighters and widows/families still go downtown to the WTC.

Yes,the decision not to have Firefighters included in the WTC area has ticked off many,(The city did offer to accomadate firefighters the next day 9-12 in a special tribute just for us,which pissed us a little more). Our union and Chiefs declined this offer.
Things are evolving each day,but to say the least,it has hurt many feelings.

The remains that are still not ID'd are slated to be put in a large cement tomb at the WTC Rememberance site-very much like the Tomb of The Unknown Soldiers-in Arlington Cemetary in Washington DC here. Families are fighting over this move as their belief that technology is evolving everyday in ID'ing the remains and they feel that in several years,that their loved ones will be ID'd for proper family burials in the future.This fight is looking to go to court soon and is expected to end up in NYS or US Supreme Court on who owns the remains and the decision. It is not a pretty picture.
Of the deceased,Only 1/2 has been ID'd to date. Last week, yes thats right,last week, the mortuary Drs had ID'd another body from the WTC as that of a financial broker.
If I take pictures this year-I'll post a few from our ceremony.

Added: It was Mayor Bloomberg who thought this up,not inviting FDNY members.It has leaked out that he would have to put on more police on overtime to work the WTC site thus by eliminating some of the large crowd,could get away cheaper for the city that day.
Over the past year or two he wanted to close 20 firehouses in cost savings budget matters,we argued against him and booed him unmercifully at public speeches on this matter. Suddenly he found the money to keep the companies open for another year or so. There is much hard feelings about us on him and him about us and we feel this is a Vindictive move also.Its all politics and it sucks,it just goes to show you how low the people in power go. Mayor Guiliani is another disgrace and IS NOT the hero of NY that he makes himself out to be. Thats another couple of stories for another day.

[telboy66]

Thanks for the explanation Charlie, from a distance it did seem very strange for the Mayor to do this especially as he no doubt wants to get re elected some time.
would it have been more acceptable to FDNY if along with relatives of those that died say a quota from each fire house were invited therefore reducing crowd numbers on the day.
my wife & I were in NY the year after 9/11 on the anniversary & were up near central park at the hour & were very surprised that the only sign that anyone was observing the anniversary was a group of builders who downed tools & came out on the sidewalk to stand with us in respect, the traffic never stopped the hustle & bustle of New York just carried on

[kikibalt]

Jeri and I arrived in Scottsdale, AZ about an hour ago, we don't like making long drives in one day anymore. It works better for us hen we break it up. The other reason we stopped here is that I want to visit my sister in Phoenix, which is just a few miles away.

I have only seen my only sister a small handful of times in the last 20-25 years. The last time was in 2003. We saw her when she was in the hospital after she suffered a severe stroke. She has been estranged from the family and in a self imposed exile for years. She has lived in a world of bitterness and hate and has never really been able to survive in normal society. It has been a very sad life for her.

About five years ago she had both legs amputated due to severe diabetic complications, and with other factors she cannot live outside of the care facility she currently lives in. This will be the first time I've seen her since then. I have no idea what her reaction will be when she sees me. She might be happy or she might send me away, I don't know.

It has just been an unbelievably unhappy life and I honestly don't know how much longer she will be with us, so I have to make that attempt.

I hope you don't mind me sharing that with you. I will rite this no where else. I communicate with my niece, her daughter, on Facebook. I wouldn't want her to see this. Anyway, that's where my head is right now.

Talk later.

Just read your post Randy. Sorry to hear about your sister's health and family problems. I hope things worked out fine and that you had a nice visit with your sister. It must be tough when a family breaks up like that... . I been lucky that our family haven't have that problem, not yet anyway...I'm the black sheep of the family, but at least I still get invited to family funerals... .....Sorry, maybe I should had saved my lame humor for another post...

[CNorkusJr]

Thanks for the explanation Charlie, from a distance it did seem very strange for the Mayor to do this especially as he no doubt wants to get re elected some time.
would it have been more acceptable to FDNY if along with relatives of those that died say a quota from each fire house were invited therefore reducing crowd numbers on the day.
my wife & I were in NY the year after 9/11 on the anniversary & were up near central park at the hour & were very surprised that the only sign that anyone was observing the anniversary was a group of builders who downed tools & came out on the sidewalk to stand with us in respect, the traffic never stopped the hustle & bustle of New York just carried on

New York City is a big city -population wise-fitted into a small area in Manhattan. The outer boros are more surburban, of course, and people tend to be little more respectful.
Manhattan has a huge transient population and many people you see around town are commuters who come into Manhattan to work, or tourists who visit by the thousands.

Any New Yorker would tell you (myself included) that you can never expect the city to stop for anything in particular. People have to be places, business is conducted and with the pressures on the working communities these days (deadlines and such) New York City will not standstill for no one or any event.
The only time I saw New York come to a halt,but only to exit its boundaries,was the 9-11 attack itself. No one knew if another attack was forthcoming, and I do know Times Square by me was cleared out. It would be the most populous place in New York at any given time.
NY residents,as well as some tourists will stop and forego their daily schedule to remember 9-11 in the morning.I've seen it with my own eyes. Many people for year round,and days around 9-11 especially, continue to come up to Emergency workers (Fire,Police,Ambulance)and pat us on the back and say Thank You for what we do. Its a good feeling.

As far as Mayor Bloomberg, he is a lame duck. When Guiliani was exiting as mayor,a law was passed in New York City that a mayor can only run 2 terms back to back,and no more. Mayor Bloomberg spearheaded a committee and spent a billion dollars on advertising and had the law change to allow him to run in his present and third term.He is out in next year I believe or year after. He is presently seeking to re-establish the 2 year term limit for the mayors position.This is what we are dealing with here. His present day rating as mayor is far below what it was during the recession,and many people who supported him are now seeing the light and cant wait for him to leave.
Just to let you know,one item, the bridge & tunnel tolls to cross the Hudson River or East River will rise from $6.50 to $12 one way under his regime.People will pay $24 to get into and out of Manhattan from 2013 on.(The Queensboro Bridge is free right now,but they plan on putting a toll on it.) If you drive in weekly to work its $120 and you didnt pay for parking yet.Taking a train to Penn Station from my house(50 mins away) on Long Island Railroad runs about $300/monthly ticket (unlimited rides), One round=trip ticket is $16.
Though not a direct fault of Mayor Bloomberg,but he doesnt challenge the the Transportation Authority who raises tolls in any form.
New York is not cheap by any means and trying to earn enough must include pay that gets you in and out of the city.
Sorry for the rambling,but Bloomberg and whats happening in the city is simply price gouging all and everyone. I am interested to know if New York was sort of a sticker shock-price wise when you got here last telboy ?.

I also want to tell you-Thank You for taking the time to remember that day and hour in respect for all of those who died that day here and in Shanksville,PA and Washington DC. Thank You.

[kikibalt]

Great post Charlie...

[CNorkusJr]

Great post Charlie...

Thanks Frank, I'm sure LA resembles NYC in some ways I'm sure.

Found this out today:Pat Petronelli passed away early this morning. Pat, along with his brother Goody, managed Middleweight Champion Marvin Hagler. Pat's son Tony challenged Wilfred Benitez for the Jr. Welterweight Championship. Rest in Peace Pat.
Posted from Henry Hascup, Pres. Of New Jersey Boxing HOF

[gemsdiamond]

Charlie Magri was well past his best when he got the chance to fight for the World Title. He was a crowd entertainer, not just a great boxer, so was susceptible to receiving a knock out punch, or simply, to punching himself out! Official dedication page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Charlie-M ... 3360717410

[kikibalt]

Julio Cesar Chavez and Don King...1989

[kikibalt]

Victor Ortiz is having a robe made special for his fight with Floyd Mayweather that is going read on the back "Nobody moves, nobody gets hurt"....He figures that if nobody moves, he wouldn't get hurt....

[Chuck1052]

Charlie, I remember visiting Manhattan in 1971, the only time I have been there. The amount of blight in the borough and a number of other urban areas in the East was stunning to me. Of course, I was comparing such urban areas to Los Angeles, a relatively new city which had far less blight in 1971 than it does at the present time. It is my understanding that much of Manhattan is in much better shape now.

- Chuck Johnston

[Cholo]

Victor Ortiz is having a robe made special for his fight with Floyd Mayweather that is going read on the back "Nobody moves, nobody gets hurt"....He figures that if nobody moves, he wouldn't get hurt....

Frank,

[Cholo]

Frank, I've been reading up on Joey Barnum, another character of the L.A. fight scene in the 40's and 50's fought some good fighters including Golden Boy Aragon. Ever see him fight Frank?..

[bennie]

Charlie Magri was well past his best when he got the chance to fight for the World Title. He was a crowd entertainer, not just a great boxer, so was susceptible to receiving a knock out punch, or simply, to punching himself out! Official dedication page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Charlie-M ... 3360717410

I was in the crowd when Charlie won his WBC title. He walked right through Eleoncio Mercedes, a rangy stylist whom the WBC continued to rank even after he was shot and killed a few years later.

[kikibalt]

It's hard for me to see Victor Ortiz beating Floyd Mayweather because I seen what happened when Ortiz fought a decent fighter, he "No Mas" on one (Maidana) , then was up and down like some old whore's panties on another (Berto), those were the only two fighters of note that he has fought and he was in deep caca in both of those fights..Yes I agree that Floyd is getting old and hasn't fought in months, but imo against Ortiz that won't matter much

[kikibalt]

I tried to wake the roosters up, but they flip their wings on me and want back to sleep.....When I was about 14 years old living in Simons a friend and I were messing with two sisters, they were about 13 & 14 years old. One nite when their parents were out on the town my friend and I want to the girls house, they let us in and with the lights out we start making out. We lost track of time because the parents came home and we were still there with the girls, my friend and I ran out the back door, we didn't know where to hide so we ran into the chicken coop, we hided there till the lights in the house went out, as the lights went out we walked out the gate and went home, next day my friend and I were full of chicken bugs. Hell I didn't know the chickens had bugs....

[kikibalt]

Frank, I've been reading up on Joey Barnum, another character of the L.A. fight scene in the 40's and 50's fought some good fighters including Golden Boy Aragon. Ever see him fight Frank?..

Paul, Joey Barnum was a colorful LA boxing character. There's a story to be told about the the time Joey was training a fighter and when the fighter told Joey he knew more about boxing than Joey. Joey went into training and a fight was made between the two and Joey beat him...

[Cholo]

Frank, I've been reading up on Joey Barnum, another character of the L.A. fight scene in the 40's and 50's fought some good fighters including Golden Boy Aragon. Ever see him fight Frank?..

Paul, Joey Barnum was a colorful LA boxing character. There's a story to be told about the the time Joey was training a fighter and when the fighter told Joey he knew more about boxing than Joey. Joey went into training and a fight was made between the two and Joey beat him...

Frank, Thanks again buddy for the Info, was that fighter Mario Trigo, I've read that Joey trained Trigo, any truth in this?

[kikibalt]

Frank, I've been reading up on Joey Barnum, another character of the L.A. fight scene in the 40's and 50's fought some good fighters including Golden Boy Aragon. Ever see him fight Frank?..

Paul, Joey Barnum was a colorful LA boxing character. There's a story to be told about the the time Joey was training a fighter and when the fighter told Joey he knew more about boxing than Joey. Joey went into training and a fight was made between the two and Joey beat him...

Frank, Thanks again buddy for the Info, was that fighter Mario Trigo, I've read that Joey trained Trigo, any truth in this?

Yeah Paul, it was Mario...

[Cholo]

Thanks Frank..