No shock really Charlie when we holiday we tend not to look too closely at the prices & don't keep converting dollars back to pounds, we worry about it when we get back homeCNorkusJr wrote:New York City is a big city -population wise-fitted into a small area in Manhattan. The outer boros are more surburban, of course, and people tend to be little more respectful.telboy66 wrote:Thanks for the explanation Charlie, from a distance it did seem very strange for the Mayor to do this especially as he no doubt wants to get re elected some time.
would it have been more acceptable to FDNY if along with relatives of those that died say a quota from each fire house were invited therefore reducing crowd numbers on the day.
my wife & I were in NY the year after 9/11 on the anniversary & were up near central park at the hour & were very surprised that the only sign that anyone was observing the anniversary was a group of builders who downed tools & came out on the sidewalk to stand with us in respect, the traffic never stopped the hustle & bustle of New York just carried on
Manhattan has a huge transient population and many people you see around town are commuters who come into Manhattan to work, or tourists who visit by the thousands.
Any New Yorker would tell you (myself included) that you can never expect the city to stop for anything in particular. People have to be places, business is conducted and with the pressures on the working communities these days (deadlines and such) New York City will not standstill for no one or any event.
The only time I saw New York come to a halt,but only to exit its boundaries,was the 9-11 attack itself. No one knew if another attack was forthcoming, and I do know Times Square by me was cleared out. It would be the most populous place in New York at any given time.
NY residents,as well as some tourists will stop and forego their daily schedule to remember 9-11 in the morning.I've seen it with my own eyes. Many people for year round,and days around 9-11 especially, continue to come up to Emergency workers (Fire,Police,Ambulance)and pat us on the back and say Thank You for what we do. Its a good feeling.
As far as Mayor Bloomberg, he is a lame duck. When Guiliani was exiting as mayor,a law was passed in New York City that a mayor can only run 2 terms back to back,and no more. Mayor Bloomberg spearheaded a committee and spent a billion dollars on advertising and had the law change to allow him to run in his present and third term.He is out in next year I believe or year after. He is presently seeking to re-establish the 2 year term limit for the mayors position.This is what we are dealing with here. His present day rating as mayor is far below what it was during the recession,and many people who supported him are now seeing the light and cant wait for him to leave.
Just to let you know,one item, the bridge & tunnel tolls to cross the Hudson River or East River will rise from $6.50 to $12 one way under his regime.People will pay $24 to get into and out of Manhattan from 2013 on.(The Queensboro Bridge is free right now,but they plan on putting a toll on it.) If you drive in weekly to work its $120 and you didnt pay for parking yet.Taking a train to Penn Station from my house(50 mins away) on Long Island Railroad runs about $300/monthly ticket (unlimited rides), One round=trip ticket is $16.
Though not a direct fault of Mayor Bloomberg,but he doesnt challenge the the Transportation Authority who raises tolls in any form.
New York is not cheap by any means and trying to earn enough must include pay that gets you in and out of the city.
Sorry for the rambling,but Bloomberg and whats happening in the city is simply price gouging all and everyone. I am interested to know if New York was sort of a sticker shock-price wise when you got here last telboy ?.
I also want to tell you-Thank You for taking the time to remember that day and hour in respect for all of those who died that day here and in Shanksville,PA and Washington DC. Thank You.
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Wow Chuck,1971 ! New York was a wild man's town in those days. Police corruption,burlesk and strip joints ruled Times Square then.Chuck1052 wrote:Charlie, I remember visiting Manhattan in 1971, the only time I have been there. The amount of blight in the borough and a number of other urban areas in the East was stunning to me. Of course, I was comparing such urban areas to Los Angeles, a relatively new city which had far less blight in 1971 than it does at the present time. It is my understanding that much of Manhattan is in much better shape now.
- Chuck Johnston
Even when Koch was mayor back in the mid eighties,ot was still a rough town in tourist areas.Dirt and grime were everywhere.
Things started to change for the better in the early 1990's. NYC realized it needed tourist dollars to keep afloat. Millions went into landmark restorations,which eventually included the Statue of Liberty itself.(It closed a whole year with much of it dismantled and repaired and replaced. Ellis island became an electronic data bank for immigrant families histories.
Times Square porno shops and theatres were evicted,and replaced with nice theatres showing first rate shows.Disney Corp said they would buy and restore 2-3 old Broadway theatres if they can show their Bdway shows. City agreed and shows such as Lion King,Beauty and The Beast are annual hits.
New York City is a far cry from the year 1971. Nice ethnic restaurants line 9th ave which was a muggers paradise in the 1970's. Guiliani got the Police Dept to stay on the streets late,and hired thousands more to patrol. Definetly safer except for the ghetto areas and various crimes against shop owners(Like anywhere,you can always be in the right place at the wrong time). The recession didnt help. But New York realizes that the tourist dollars are its main source of income and places its resources respectively.Little Italy and Chinatown,as well as the sports venues are well protected because of terrorist threats ongoing.
There is absolutely no reason not to feel safe in NYC unless you venture into an area you shouldnt be in to begin with. A person from NY like myself can help navigate that terrain.Like when I come to visit LA my first time next summer,I will need some wise help from my pals in the area..
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His time has come
Thomasz Adamek will fight Vitali Klitscho this Saturday in front of his motherland's fans in Poland for a Heavyweight crown. The smallish Heavyweight (by todays standards) Adamek will get in the ring with the taller more experienced Klitschko. Though Vitali has been out of the ring for the last 1 1/2 years (I think that is the length),he claims "no ring rust" on him.
This fight could be one for the ages because it appears to be on HBO,not on PPV like the upcoming Mayweather-Ortiz battle the following week.
People here in the Northeast are hoping the now New Jersey resident Adamek can lower his powerful rights on the taller Vitali before his punching power wanes because he must punch up to hit him on the chin. A ploy used by his tall brother Vlad to knockdown his opponents punches till tiredness sets in, before to begin his attack- I would expect Vitali to do the same.
One thing for sure is that Adamek is in good shape and a strong bull who keeps coming at you. If Vitali can keep his distance and Thomasz at bay, he just might outlast the younger kid.
My hunch is that Adamek will tag him,and tag him early which just might send the crowd home early. If it does go the distance- be mindful that its in Poland and not Germany.
If you cant see it live-set your DVRs.
Thomasz Adamek will fight Vitali Klitscho this Saturday in front of his motherland's fans in Poland for a Heavyweight crown. The smallish Heavyweight (by todays standards) Adamek will get in the ring with the taller more experienced Klitschko. Though Vitali has been out of the ring for the last 1 1/2 years (I think that is the length),he claims "no ring rust" on him.
This fight could be one for the ages because it appears to be on HBO,not on PPV like the upcoming Mayweather-Ortiz battle the following week.
People here in the Northeast are hoping the now New Jersey resident Adamek can lower his powerful rights on the taller Vitali before his punching power wanes because he must punch up to hit him on the chin. A ploy used by his tall brother Vlad to knockdown his opponents punches till tiredness sets in, before to begin his attack- I would expect Vitali to do the same.
One thing for sure is that Adamek is in good shape and a strong bull who keeps coming at you. If Vitali can keep his distance and Thomasz at bay, he just might outlast the younger kid.
My hunch is that Adamek will tag him,and tag him early which just might send the crowd home early. If it does go the distance- be mindful that its in Poland and not Germany.
If you cant see it live-set your DVRs.
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Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
http://youtu.be/tgDI91Q81p0
Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
October 28, 1976
On Monday, October 25, 1976, Frankie and I were working at a Ford dealership (paint shop) in Alhambra, Ca. That morning I told Frankie that on our lunch hour I was going to go see Don Chargin at the Olympic Auditorium to see if I could set up a six-round fight for him for that coming Thursday night.
I left Alhambra about 11:30 AM. and got to the Olympic about 25 minutes later. As I parked the car I was thinking about how hard it had become to get Frankie fights. His record stood at 4-1 with 2 knockouts. The one decision loss was an out-of-town (Stockton, Ca.) fight against Reynaldo Zaragoza, a fight that just about everybody in the house thought Frankie had won.
As I entered the Olympic I was hoping that I wasn't again wasting my time as I had been doing lately in talking to Chargin. I climbed the stairs to his office and as I got to the door I could hear Harry Kabakoff saying, "What are we going to do Don? Castillo won't fight Cruz."
"We'll find somebody for him to fight, so don't worry Harry," I heard Don say. As I walked in I could see that Harry looked like he was about to start crying, but he smiled a big smile when he saw me walk in.
"Is your boy ready to fight?" Harry asked me.
"Yes, that's why I'm here, to see if I can get Frankie a six-round fight," I answered.
"How about Thursday night in the main event?" Harry asked.
"Against who?" I countered.
"Chango Cruz."
"C'mon Harry. Cruz has had 12 fights with 8 KO's, Frankie only has five fights. By the way, what happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, so they say. I think they are afraid to fight my new champ," said Harry.
I turned to Chargin and asked him about getting a six-round fight, and he said that none of the local fighters wanted to fight Frankie and that it was too expensive to bring in out-of-town fighters for a six-round fight. At that point Harry jumped in and told me to forget about a six rounder and to take the Cruz fight. Chargin then said, "Frank, we'll pay you XXX dollars."
"I don't know, Don. Like I said, Frankie only has had five fights, and he has never gone more than seven rounds. This would be a ten-round fight against a guy with 12 wins, 8 by knockout. I don't want to put Frankie in over his head," I said to Chargin. Harry again jumped in and said they would pay us more than they first offered. After going around for about an hour and seeing the offer go up a few more times and being told not to worry about the weight, I accepted the fight.
I got back to the shop and told Frankie to go home, that he was fighting the main on Thursday. "Who am I fighting Pops?" he asked.
"You are fighting Chango Cruz, mijo," I said.
"But Pops! Cruz has 12 wins and 8 by knockout. I only have five fights. What happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, mijo. Now go home, I'll see you at the gym," I told him.
I wasn't sure that Frankie would beat Cruz, but I was sure that he wouldn't get hurt. After all, Frankie had been boxing since he was six years old.
Frankie won by ninth-round knockout, and Harry didn't talk to me for about six months after that. . . . .
http://youtu.be/tgDI91Q81p0
Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
October 28, 1976
On Monday, October 25, 1976, Frankie and I were working at a Ford dealership (paint shop) in Alhambra, Ca. That morning I told Frankie that on our lunch hour I was going to go see Don Chargin at the Olympic Auditorium to see if I could set up a six-round fight for him for that coming Thursday night.
I left Alhambra about 11:30 AM. and got to the Olympic about 25 minutes later. As I parked the car I was thinking about how hard it had become to get Frankie fights. His record stood at 4-1 with 2 knockouts. The one decision loss was an out-of-town (Stockton, Ca.) fight against Reynaldo Zaragoza, a fight that just about everybody in the house thought Frankie had won.
As I entered the Olympic I was hoping that I wasn't again wasting my time as I had been doing lately in talking to Chargin. I climbed the stairs to his office and as I got to the door I could hear Harry Kabakoff saying, "What are we going to do Don? Castillo won't fight Cruz."
"We'll find somebody for him to fight, so don't worry Harry," I heard Don say. As I walked in I could see that Harry looked like he was about to start crying, but he smiled a big smile when he saw me walk in.
"Is your boy ready to fight?" Harry asked me.
"Yes, that's why I'm here, to see if I can get Frankie a six-round fight," I answered.
"How about Thursday night in the main event?" Harry asked.
"Against who?" I countered.
"Chango Cruz."
"C'mon Harry. Cruz has had 12 fights with 8 KO's, Frankie only has five fights. By the way, what happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, so they say. I think they are afraid to fight my new champ," said Harry.
I turned to Chargin and asked him about getting a six-round fight, and he said that none of the local fighters wanted to fight Frankie and that it was too expensive to bring in out-of-town fighters for a six-round fight. At that point Harry jumped in and told me to forget about a six rounder and to take the Cruz fight. Chargin then said, "Frank, we'll pay you XXX dollars."
"I don't know, Don. Like I said, Frankie only has had five fights, and he has never gone more than seven rounds. This would be a ten-round fight against a guy with 12 wins, 8 by knockout. I don't want to put Frankie in over his head," I said to Chargin. Harry again jumped in and said they would pay us more than they first offered. After going around for about an hour and seeing the offer go up a few more times and being told not to worry about the weight, I accepted the fight.
I got back to the shop and told Frankie to go home, that he was fighting the main on Thursday. "Who am I fighting Pops?" he asked.
"You are fighting Chango Cruz, mijo," I said.
"But Pops! Cruz has 12 wins and 8 by knockout. I only have five fights. What happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, mijo. Now go home, I'll see you at the gym," I told him.
I wasn't sure that Frankie would beat Cruz, but I was sure that he wouldn't get hurt. After all, Frankie had been boxing since he was six years old.
Frankie won by ninth-round knockout, and Harry didn't talk to me for about six months after that. . . . .
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Wow Frank, you cant get this kind of story except from the people involved,Thanks ! for sharing.I'm sure Frankie's confidence went sky high after this one.kikibalt wrote:Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
http://youtu.be/tgDI91Q81p0
Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
October 28, 1976
On Monday, October 25, 1976, Frankie and I were working at a Ford dealership (paint shop) in Alhambra, Ca. That morning I told Frankie that on our lunch hour I was going to go see Don Chargin at the Olympic Auditorium to see if I could set up a six-round fight for him for that coming Thursday night.
I left Alhambra about 11:30 AM. and got to the Olympic about 25 minutes later. As I parked the car I was thinking about how hard it had become to get Frankie fights. His record stood at 4-1 with 2 knockouts. The one decision loss was an out-of-town (Stockton, Ca.) fight against Reynaldo Zaragoza, a fight that just about everybody in the house thought Frankie had won.
As I entered the Olympic I was hoping that I wasn't again wasting my time as I had been doing lately in talking to Chargin. I climbed the stairs to his office and as I got to the door I could hear Harry Kabakoff saying, "What are we going to do Don? Castillo won't fight Cruz."
"We'll find somebody for him to fight, so don't worry Harry," I heard Don say. As I walked in I could see that Harry looked like he was about to start crying, but he smiled a big smile when he saw me walk in.
"Is your boy ready to fight?" Harry asked me.
"Yes, that's why I'm here, to see if I can get Frankie a six-round fight," I answered.
"How about Thursday night in the main event?" Harry asked.
"Against who?" I countered.
"Chango Cruz."
"C'mon Harry. Cruz has had 12 fights with 8 KO's, Frankie only has five fights. By the way, what happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, so they say. I think they are afraid to fight my new champ," said Harry.
I turned to Chargin and asked him about getting a six-round fight, and he said that none of the local fighters wanted to fight Frankie and that it was too expensive to bring in out-of-town fighters for a six-round fight. At that point Harry jumped in and told me to forget about a six rounder and to take the Cruz fight. Chargin then said, "Frank, we'll pay you XXX dollars."
"I don't know, Don. Like I said, Frankie only has had five fights, and he has never gone more than seven rounds. This would be a ten-round fight against a guy with 12 wins, 8 by knockout. I don't want to put Frankie in over his head," I said to Chargin. Harry again jumped in and said they would pay us more than they first offered. After going around for about an hour and seeing the offer go up a few more times and being told not to worry about the weight, I accepted the fight.
I got back to the shop and told Frankie to go home, that he was fighting the main on Thursday. "Who am I fighting Pops?" he asked.
"You are fighting Chango Cruz, mijo," I said.
"But Pops! Cruz has 12 wins and 8 by knockout. I only have five fights. What happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, mijo. Now go home, I'll see you at the gym," I told him.
I wasn't sure that Frankie would beat Cruz, but I was sure that he wouldn't get hurt. After all, Frankie had been boxing since he was six years old.
Frankie won by ninth-round knockout, and Harry didn't talk to me for about six months after that. . . . .
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Thanks Charlie.....CNorkusJr wrote: Wow Frank, you cant get this kind of story except from the people involved,Thanks ! for sharing.I'm sure Frankie's confidence went sky high after this one.
...soon after this fight I got fired and since Frankie was working for me; he had to go too. The owner said we were spending too much time on the fight game. It worked out for us though, within a couple of week I landed a better paying job, one mile from our house, at our local Chevy dealer. There the owner loved us, we couldn't do no wrong. He and his wife started attending Frankie and Tony's fights, on our dime of course.... Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Good things happen to good people ! My father used to say "One door closes and another door opens for those who work hard". I think he tried to make me feel better after getting laid off from a couple of jobs because the companies were going out of business.kikibalt wrote:Thanks Charlie.....CNorkusJr wrote: Wow Frank, you cant get this kind of story except from the people involved,Thanks ! for sharing.I'm sure Frankie's confidence went sky high after this one.
All in all, things worked out in the end for your family as well as for mine. I guess we can considerate it being held in Gods Hands in a way.Amen.
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Great story Frank, way to work em'...kikibalt wrote:Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
http://youtu.be/tgDI91Q81p0
Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
October 28, 1976
On Monday, October 25, 1976, Frankie and I were working at a Ford dealership (paint shop) in Alhambra, Ca. That morning I told Frankie that on our lunch hour I was going to go see Don Chargin at the Olympic Auditorium to see if I could set up a six-round fight for him for that coming Thursday night.
I left Alhambra about 11:30 AM. and got to the Olympic about 25 minutes later. As I parked the car I was thinking about how hard it had become to get Frankie fights. His record stood at 4-1 with 2 knockouts. The one decision loss was an out-of-town (Stockton, Ca.) fight against Reynaldo Zaragoza, a fight that just about everybody in the house thought Frankie had won.
As I entered the Olympic I was hoping that I wasn't again wasting my time as I had been doing lately in talking to Chargin. I climbed the stairs to his office and as I got to the door I could hear Harry Kabakoff saying, "What are we going to do Don? Castillo won't fight Cruz."
"We'll find somebody for him to fight, so don't worry Harry," I heard Don say. As I walked in I could see that Harry looked like he was about to start crying, but he smiled a big smile when he saw me walk in.
"Is your boy ready to fight?" Harry asked me.
"Yes, that's why I'm here, to see if I can get Frankie a six-round fight," I answered.
"How about Thursday night in the main event?" Harry asked.
"Against who?" I countered.
"Chango Cruz."
"C'mon Harry. Cruz has had 12 fights with 8 KO's, Frankie only has five fights. By the way, what happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, so they say. I think they are afraid to fight my new champ," said Harry.
I turned to Chargin and asked him about getting a six-round fight, and he said that none of the local fighters wanted to fight Frankie and that it was too expensive to bring in out-of-town fighters for a six-round fight. At that point Harry jumped in and told me to forget about a six rounder and to take the Cruz fight. Chargin then said, "Frank, we'll pay you XXX dollars."
"I don't know, Don. Like I said, Frankie only has had five fights, and he has never gone more than seven rounds. This would be a ten-round fight against a guy with 12 wins, 8 by knockout. I don't want to put Frankie in over his head," I said to Chargin. Harry again jumped in and said they would pay us more than they first offered. After going around for about an hour and seeing the offer go up a few more times and being told not to worry about the weight, I accepted the fight.
I got back to the shop and told Frankie to go home, that he was fighting the main on Thursday. "Who am I fighting Pops?" he asked.
"You are fighting Chango Cruz, mijo," I said.
"But Pops! Cruz has 12 wins and 8 by knockout. I only have five fights. What happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, mijo. Now go home, I'll see you at the gym," I told him.
I wasn't sure that Frankie would beat Cruz, but I was sure that he wouldn't get hurt. After all, Frankie had been boxing since he was six years old.
Frankie won by ninth-round knockout, and Harry didn't talk to me for about six months after that. . . . .
Bruce
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Thanks Bruce. Btw, where have you been?Bobbin & Weavin wrote:Great story Frank, way to work em'...kikibalt wrote:Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
http://youtu.be/tgDI91Q81p0
Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
October 28, 1976
On Monday, October 25, 1976, Frankie and I were working at a Ford dealership (paint shop) in Alhambra, Ca. That morning I told Frankie that on our lunch hour I was going to go see Don Chargin at the Olympic Auditorium to see if I could set up a six-round fight for him for that coming Thursday night.
I left Alhambra about 11:30 AM. and got to the Olympic about 25 minutes later. As I parked the car I was thinking about how hard it had become to get Frankie fights. His record stood at 4-1 with 2 knockouts. The one decision loss was an out-of-town (Stockton, Ca.) fight against Reynaldo Zaragoza, a fight that just about everybody in the house thought Frankie had won.
As I entered the Olympic I was hoping that I wasn't again wasting my time as I had been doing lately in talking to Chargin. I climbed the stairs to his office and as I got to the door I could hear Harry Kabakoff saying, "What are we going to do Don? Castillo won't fight Cruz."
"We'll find somebody for him to fight, so don't worry Harry," I heard Don say. As I walked in I could see that Harry looked like he was about to start crying, but he smiled a big smile when he saw me walk in.
"Is your boy ready to fight?" Harry asked me.
"Yes, that's why I'm here, to see if I can get Frankie a six-round fight," I answered.
"How about Thursday night in the main event?" Harry asked.
"Against who?" I countered.
"Chango Cruz."
"C'mon Harry. Cruz has had 12 fights with 8 KO's, Frankie only has five fights. By the way, what happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, so they say. I think they are afraid to fight my new champ," said Harry.
I turned to Chargin and asked him about getting a six-round fight, and he said that none of the local fighters wanted to fight Frankie and that it was too expensive to bring in out-of-town fighters for a six-round fight. At that point Harry jumped in and told me to forget about a six rounder and to take the Cruz fight. Chargin then said, "Frank, we'll pay you XXX dollars."
"I don't know, Don. Like I said, Frankie only has had five fights, and he has never gone more than seven rounds. This would be a ten-round fight against a guy with 12 wins, 8 by knockout. I don't want to put Frankie in over his head," I said to Chargin. Harry again jumped in and said they would pay us more than they first offered. After going around for about an hour and seeing the offer go up a few more times and being told not to worry about the weight, I accepted the fight.
I got back to the shop and told Frankie to go home, that he was fighting the main on Thursday. "Who am I fighting Pops?" he asked.
"You are fighting Chango Cruz, mijo," I said.
"But Pops! Cruz has 12 wins and 8 by knockout. I only have five fights. What happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, mijo. Now go home, I'll see you at the gym," I told him.
I wasn't sure that Frankie would beat Cruz, but I was sure that he wouldn't get hurt. After all, Frankie had been boxing since he was six years old.
Frankie won by ninth-round knockout, and Harry didn't talk to me for about six months after that. . . . .
Bruce
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Manny Pacquiao intends payback against Juan Manuel Marquez
Pacquiao's camp says a Nov. 12 bout in Las Vegas is 'more personal.' Marquez had worn a shirt proclaiming 'We were robbed' after a previous loss to Pacquiao.
By Lance Pugmire
September 7, 2011
Manny Pacquiao's road to stardom was established by power punching and a pair of compelling back-and-forth bouts against his rival from Mexico, Juan Manuel Marquez.
As Pacquiao prepares for his third fight against Marquez on Nov. 12 at MGM Grand in Las Vegas, the Filipino star's attention is locked on the goal to reaffirm his power reputation by quieting Marquez once and for all.
"Everybody knows Marquez has been talking too much," Pacquiao said Wednesday as he and Marquez continued their international promotional tour at the Beverly Hills Hotel. "If my opponent is no good, I will be no good in the ring. You know what I mean? My opponent is not a good boy.
"What I think about is, 'How can I shut the mouth?'"
Pacquiao knocked Marquez down three times in the first round of their 2004 featherweight title fight, but Marquez rallied to claim a draw. In 2008, Pacquiao won a super-featherweight title by split decision thanks to judge Tom Miller's 114-113 score.
Marquez's trainer, Ignacio "Nacho" Beristain, complained so much at the post-fight news conference after the 2008 loss that Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, grabbed a microphone and unloaded epithets at the trainer.
Marquez later visited the Philippines wearing a T-shirt reading "We were robbed."
Pacquiao's kindhearted nature is part of his charm. He's a congressman in the Philippines who has successfully pushed for a new hospital to be constructed in his district and often takes up charitable ventures.
He showed compassion in the final rounds against badly beaten foe Antonio Margarito last year, and he also failed to put away Shane Mosley in a one-sided fight in May — Pacquiao's third consecutive unanimous decision as he improved to 53-3-2.
But Pacquiao became boxing's most popular star by scoring 10 knockouts and retiring Oscar De La Hoya in a span of 16 fights between 2003 and 2009.
Now, it's no more Mr. Nice Guy.
"He let [Margarito and Mosley] off the hook. In this fight, that's not going to happen," Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, said of Marquez.
The Pacquiao-Marquez bout will be for the WBO welterweight title to be fought at a 144-pound catch weight.
"This fight is more personal," Roach said. "Those [prior two Marquez] fights were good for boxing. It wasn't our fault the judges voted for us. But when Marquez came to the Philippines with those T-shirts … it was a slap in the face to Manny. He will get his payback."
Arum was seen shaking hands with and briefly embracing Beristain on Wednesday, but the promoter notes Pacquiao is less forgiving of his old foe.
"Manny usually waits until the last minute to start his eight weeks of training," Arum said. "For this fight, he's already started. He's dying to win this decisively. He's a competitor, and on a competitive basis, he's tired of hearing Marquez is the puzzle he can't solve."
The 38-year-old Marquez (53-5-1, 39 KOs) expects to rely on his counterpunching strength to again frustrate the aggressive Pacquiao.
"I will see the best Manny Pacquiao, that's what I'm waiting for," said Marquez. "Everybody knows I wanted this fight. I didn't win before because the judges were no good."
Music to the ears of a seething Pacquiao.
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Pacquiao's camp says a Nov. 12 bout in Las Vegas is 'more personal.' Marquez had worn a shirt proclaiming 'We were robbed' after a previous loss to Pacquiao.
By Lance Pugmire
September 7, 2011
Manny Pacquiao's road to stardom was established by power punching and a pair of compelling back-and-forth bouts against his rival from Mexico, Juan Manuel Marquez.
As Pacquiao prepares for his third fight against Marquez on Nov. 12 at MGM Grand in Las Vegas, the Filipino star's attention is locked on the goal to reaffirm his power reputation by quieting Marquez once and for all.
"Everybody knows Marquez has been talking too much," Pacquiao said Wednesday as he and Marquez continued their international promotional tour at the Beverly Hills Hotel. "If my opponent is no good, I will be no good in the ring. You know what I mean? My opponent is not a good boy.
"What I think about is, 'How can I shut the mouth?'"
Pacquiao knocked Marquez down three times in the first round of their 2004 featherweight title fight, but Marquez rallied to claim a draw. In 2008, Pacquiao won a super-featherweight title by split decision thanks to judge Tom Miller's 114-113 score.
Marquez's trainer, Ignacio "Nacho" Beristain, complained so much at the post-fight news conference after the 2008 loss that Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, grabbed a microphone and unloaded epithets at the trainer.
Marquez later visited the Philippines wearing a T-shirt reading "We were robbed."
Pacquiao's kindhearted nature is part of his charm. He's a congressman in the Philippines who has successfully pushed for a new hospital to be constructed in his district and often takes up charitable ventures.
He showed compassion in the final rounds against badly beaten foe Antonio Margarito last year, and he also failed to put away Shane Mosley in a one-sided fight in May — Pacquiao's third consecutive unanimous decision as he improved to 53-3-2.
But Pacquiao became boxing's most popular star by scoring 10 knockouts and retiring Oscar De La Hoya in a span of 16 fights between 2003 and 2009.
Now, it's no more Mr. Nice Guy.
"He let [Margarito and Mosley] off the hook. In this fight, that's not going to happen," Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, said of Marquez.
The Pacquiao-Marquez bout will be for the WBO welterweight title to be fought at a 144-pound catch weight.
"This fight is more personal," Roach said. "Those [prior two Marquez] fights were good for boxing. It wasn't our fault the judges voted for us. But when Marquez came to the Philippines with those T-shirts … it was a slap in the face to Manny. He will get his payback."
Arum was seen shaking hands with and briefly embracing Beristain on Wednesday, but the promoter notes Pacquiao is less forgiving of his old foe.
"Manny usually waits until the last minute to start his eight weeks of training," Arum said. "For this fight, he's already started. He's dying to win this decisively. He's a competitor, and on a competitive basis, he's tired of hearing Marquez is the puzzle he can't solve."
The 38-year-old Marquez (53-5-1, 39 KOs) expects to rely on his counterpunching strength to again frustrate the aggressive Pacquiao.
"I will see the best Manny Pacquiao, that's what I'm waiting for," said Marquez. "Everybody knows I wanted this fight. I didn't win before because the judges were no good."
Music to the ears of a seething Pacquiao.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
At a press conference after the Tony Baltazaz/Howard Davis fight a reporter asked Tony a question.
Reporter: Tony, after dropping Howard twice; were you surprise at the decision?
Tony: well, you know; I am a long way from home.
Reporter: Tony, after dropping Howard twice; were you surprise at the decision?
Tony: well, you know; I am a long way from home.
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Quick thinker,unfortunately true though.kikibalt wrote:At a press conference after the Tony Baltazaz/Howard Davis fight a reporter asked Tony a question.
Reporter: Tony, after dropping Howard twice; were you surprise at the decision?
Tony: well, you know; I am a long way from home.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
CNorkusJr wrote:Quick thinker,unfortunately true though.kikibalt wrote:At a press conference after the Tony Baltazaz/Howard Davis fight a reporter asked Tony a question.
Reporter: Tony, after dropping Howard twice; were you surprise at the decision?
Tony: well, you know; I am a long way from home.
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Jeri and I had one of the best times of our lives on our trip to New Mexico. I met family I never knew I had and ate some of the best food in the country!! Good to be home though!
The down side to the trip was seeing my sister while passing through Phoenix. Not that seeing my sister is bad but seeing the condition she was in. She was almost unrecognizable to me. Both her legs have been amputated, her left arm is paralyzed from a stroke in 2002 and the years of hard living have taken a toll on her body and face. I was brought to tears by the sight.
The down side to the trip was seeing my sister while passing through Phoenix. Not that seeing my sister is bad but seeing the condition she was in. She was almost unrecognizable to me. Both her legs have been amputated, her left arm is paralyzed from a stroke in 2002 and the years of hard living have taken a toll on her body and face. I was brought to tears by the sight.
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No denying that!kikibalt wrote:At a press conference after the Tony Baltazaz/Howard Davis fight a reporter asked Tony a question.
Reporter: Tony, after dropping Howard twice; were you surprise at the decision?
Tony: well, you know; I am a long way from home.
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Hi Frank, I 've been around but have been busy at work and busy at home but i've been trying to keep up with you guys between, just not enough brain cells left to add anything intelligent becasue of my business so i read and enjoy. Other than that all is well and my schedule should lighten up soon.kikibalt wrote:Thanks Bruce. Btw, where have you been?Bobbin & Weavin wrote:Great story Frank, way to work em'...kikibalt wrote:Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
http://youtu.be/tgDI91Q81p0
Frankie Baltazar v Chango Cruz
October 28, 1976
On Monday, October 25, 1976, Frankie and I were working at a Ford dealership (paint shop) in Alhambra, Ca. That morning I told Frankie that on our lunch hour I was going to go see Don Chargin at the Olympic Auditorium to see if I could set up a six-round fight for him for that coming Thursday night.
I left Alhambra about 11:30 AM. and got to the Olympic about 25 minutes later. As I parked the car I was thinking about how hard it had become to get Frankie fights. His record stood at 4-1 with 2 knockouts. The one decision loss was an out-of-town (Stockton, Ca.) fight against Reynaldo Zaragoza, a fight that just about everybody in the house thought Frankie had won.
As I entered the Olympic I was hoping that I wasn't again wasting my time as I had been doing lately in talking to Chargin. I climbed the stairs to his office and as I got to the door I could hear Harry Kabakoff saying, "What are we going to do Don? Castillo won't fight Cruz."
"We'll find somebody for him to fight, so don't worry Harry," I heard Don say. As I walked in I could see that Harry looked like he was about to start crying, but he smiled a big smile when he saw me walk in.
"Is your boy ready to fight?" Harry asked me.
"Yes, that's why I'm here, to see if I can get Frankie a six-round fight," I answered.
"How about Thursday night in the main event?" Harry asked.
"Against who?" I countered.
"Chango Cruz."
"C'mon Harry. Cruz has had 12 fights with 8 KO's, Frankie only has five fights. By the way, what happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, so they say. I think they are afraid to fight my new champ," said Harry.
I turned to Chargin and asked him about getting a six-round fight, and he said that none of the local fighters wanted to fight Frankie and that it was too expensive to bring in out-of-town fighters for a six-round fight. At that point Harry jumped in and told me to forget about a six rounder and to take the Cruz fight. Chargin then said, "Frank, we'll pay you XXX dollars."
"I don't know, Don. Like I said, Frankie only has had five fights, and he has never gone more than seven rounds. This would be a ten-round fight against a guy with 12 wins, 8 by knockout. I don't want to put Frankie in over his head," I said to Chargin. Harry again jumped in and said they would pay us more than they first offered. After going around for about an hour and seeing the offer go up a few more times and being told not to worry about the weight, I accepted the fight.
I got back to the shop and told Frankie to go home, that he was fighting the main on Thursday. "Who am I fighting Pops?" he asked.
"You are fighting Chango Cruz, mijo," I said.
"But Pops! Cruz has 12 wins and 8 by knockout. I only have five fights. What happened to Castillo?"
"Castillo got sick, mijo. Now go home, I'll see you at the gym," I told him.
I wasn't sure that Frankie would beat Cruz, but I was sure that he wouldn't get hurt. After all, Frankie had been boxing since he was six years old.
Frankie won by ninth-round knockout, and Harry didn't talk to me for about six months after that. . . . .
Bruce
Thanks for asking!
Bruce
Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing
Many of us have wondered who is Jack Shit? Jack Shit is the only son of Awe Shit who married O Shit, owners of Knee Deep in Shit Inc. Jack Shit married No Shit. The couple had 6 children:Holy Shit, Giva Shit, Fulla Shit, Bull Shit, the twins Deep Shit & Dip Shit. Deep Shit married Dumb Shit a high school dropout. After 15 years, Jack & No Shit got divorced & married Ted Sherlock & became No Shit Sherlock. So, the next time someone says you don't know Jack Shit, you can proudly say, "Yes, I do!"
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Sounds like a bunch of shit to me!kikibalt wrote:Many of us have wondered who is Jack Shit? Jack Shit is the only son of Awe Shit who married O Shit, owners of Knee Deep in Shit Inc. Jack Shit married No Shit. The couple had 6 children:Holy Shit, Giva Shit, Fulla Shit, Bull Shit, the twins Deep Shit & Dip Shit. Deep Shit married Dumb Shit a high school dropout. After 15 years, Jack & No Shit got divorced & married Ted Sherlock & became No Shit Sherlock. So, the next time someone says you don't know Jack Shit, you can proudly say, "Yes, I do!"
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Thats some Shit, FrankRandyman wrote:Sounds like a bunch of shit to me!kikibalt wrote:Many of us have wondered who is Jack Shit? Jack Shit is the only son of Awe Shit who married O Shit, owners of Knee Deep in Shit Inc. Jack Shit married No Shit. The couple had 6 children:Holy Shit, Giva Shit, Fulla Shit, Bull Shit, the twins Deep Shit & Dip Shit. Deep Shit married Dumb Shit a high school dropout. After 15 years, Jack & No Shit got divorced & married Ted Sherlock & became No Shit Sherlock. So, the next time someone says you don't know Jack Shit, you can proudly say, "Yes, I do!"
The couple had 6 children: thats alot of shit
Good thing they all married in their ethnic group because then that would be shit of another color
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Though glad to hear you had a nice trip,Randy,I am sorry to hear the update on your sister. I pray for her well being in the future.Truley sad to hear.Randyman wrote:Jeri and I had one of the best times of our lives on our trip to New Mexico. I met family I never knew I had and ate some of the best food in the country!! Good to be home though!
The down side to the trip was seeing my sister while passing through Phoenix. Not that seeing my sister is bad but seeing the condition she was in. She was almost unrecognizable to me. Both her legs have been amputated, her left arm is paralyzed from a stroke in 2002 and the years of hard living have taken a toll on her body and face. I was brought to tears by the sight.
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CNorkusJr wrote:Thats some Shit, FrankRandyman wrote:Sounds like a bunch of shit to me!kikibalt wrote:Many of us have wondered who is Jack Shit? Jack Shit is the only son of Awe Shit who married O Shit, owners of Knee Deep in Shit Inc. Jack Shit married No Shit. The couple had 6 children:Holy Shit, Giva Shit, Fulla Shit, Bull Shit, the twins Deep Shit & Dip Shit. Deep Shit married Dumb Shit a high school dropout. After 15 years, Jack & No Shit got divorced & married Ted Sherlock & became No Shit Sherlock. So, the next time someone says you don't know Jack Shit, you can proudly say, "Yes, I do!"
The couple had 6 children: thats alot of shit
Good thing they all married in their ethnic group because then that would be shit of another color
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Randy, I'm happy for you and at the same time sad for you. Happy that you had a good time on your vac., but sad about your sister.Randyman wrote:Jeri and I had one of the best times of our lives on our trip to New Mexico. I met family I never knew I had and ate some of the best food in the country!! Good to be home though!
The down side to the trip was seeing my sister while passing through Phoenix. Not that seeing my sister is bad but seeing the condition she was in. She was almost unrecognizable to me. Both her legs have been amputated, her left arm is paralyzed from a stroke in 2002 and the years of hard living have taken a toll on her body and face. I was brought to tears by the sight.
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Thanks Frank, believe me when I say it broke my heart.kikibalt wrote:Randy, I'm happy for you and at the same time sad for you. Happy that you had a good time on your vac., but sad about your sister.Randyman wrote:Jeri and I had one of the best times of our lives on our trip to New Mexico. I met family I never knew I had and ate some of the best food in the country!! Good to be home though!
The down side to the trip was seeing my sister while passing through Phoenix. Not that seeing my sister is bad but seeing the condition she was in. She was almost unrecognizable to me. Both her legs have been amputated, her left arm is paralyzed from a stroke in 2002 and the years of hard living have taken a toll on her body and face. I was brought to tears by the sight.
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This shitty subject has given me the shits!kikibalt wrote:CNorkusJr wrote:Thats some Shit, FrankRandyman wrote: Sounds like a bunch of shit to me!
The couple had 6 children: thats alot of shit
Good thing they all married in their ethnic group because then that would be shit of another color
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I believe you Randy...Randyman wrote:Thanks Frank, believe me when I say it broke my heart.kikibalt wrote:Randy, I'm happy for you and at the same time sad for you. Happy that you had a good time on your vac., but sad about your sister.Randyman wrote:Jeri and I had one of the best times of our lives on our trip to New Mexico. I met family I never knew I had and ate some of the best food in the country!! Good to be home though!
The down side to the trip was seeing my sister while passing through Phoenix. Not that seeing my sister is bad but seeing the condition she was in. She was almost unrecognizable to me. Both her legs have been amputated, her left arm is paralyzed from a stroke in 2002 and the years of hard living have taken a toll on her body and face. I was brought to tears by the sight.