Rick, both of the Campos brother's were started in boxing by Johnny Forbes, but at one point in their pro careers ended up with other managers. Johnny had many of his protégés; stolen from him by big money guys...
I know that Forbes' fighters always seemed to be handled by others as pros, Gig Rooney, Ray Luna, etc. When you think of the absolute best trainers/teachers in boxing, I believe that very few are well known. Like Forbes, these men start a kid out, school him in the fundementals, spend their money, drive them to contests, teach them how to live as a boxer, and so on. Then after sterling amateur careers "the buzzards" as Mel Epstein would call them, swoop in and seperate the boxer from his mentor. Suddenly you see an Angelo Dundee, or Emmanuel Steward in their corners. We really don't see the best trainers as they are in the gyms developing the boxers that somebody else will eventually take credit for teaching.
> oh yeah then all the commentators praise to high hell those guys who stole the fighters to begin with....
raylawpc wrote:Frank, is there some thought that the CBHOF event won't happen next year? I defeated a 3-pound burrito in Denver last week (in 28 minutes). I'm planning on kicking the Manuel's a** next June . . .
Tom, right now things are up in the air. We won't know if we are a go for next year till we learn how Don does with his cancer treatment after his surgery, he should know the date for the surgery any day now, I haven't talk to him for a couple of days, so he might know the date by now, most likely I'll talk to him today and see what he says about the surgery date, will let you know what I find out....
raylawpc wrote:Frank, is there some thought that the CBHOF event won't happen next year? I defeated a 3-pound burrito in Denver last week (in 28 minutes). I'm planning on kicking the Manuel's a** next June . . .
Tom, right now things are up in the air. We won't know if we are a go for next year till we learn how Don does with his cancer treatment after his surgery, he should know the date for the surgery any day now, I haven't talk to him for a couple of days, so he might know the date by now, most likely I'll talk to him today and see what he says about the surgery date, will let you know what I find out....
I didn't know Don was having health issues, Frank. I am sorry to hear about that. O'Grady always called Don "one of the good guys." Please keep us posted on how he's doing.
Art "Golden Boy" Aragon
In spite of the obvious contempt which the greater portion of latin fans hold for him, Art already has been successful in swaying there emotions. It has only happened once and possibly will never happen again. That was when he faced Jimmy Carter for the crown. Sweating off valuable pounds from a body rippling with lean muscles so as to make the weight limit, Art blew his chances for success. But he fought one of the most valiant he-man matches ever seen on the coast. He was punished severly, he hit the canvas twice and the easiness by which Carter maneuvered around him made Art look sick. When the much -one-sided tiff came to an end Aragon's granite-like jaw almost rubbed his chest admitting defeat. Just before leaving the ring exploded the sweetest music ever heard by Aragon. The fight mob, sensing they had seen a hero in action, let go with a tremendous roar of effection for the man they had despised for so long. But Aragon couldn't take that standing up. He sat in his corner stool. Then he wept, he sobbed shaking in convulsions like a broken child..
Frank, The Aragon/Carter title fight will be 60 years ago this November 14.
In spite of the obvious contempt which the greater portion of latin fans hold for him, Art already has been successful in swaying there emotions. It has only happened once and possibly will never happen again. That was when he faced Jimmy Carter for the crown. Sweating off valuable pounds from a body rippling with lean muscles so as to make the weight limit, Art blew his chances for success. But he fought one of the most valiant he-man matches ever seen on the coast. He was punished severly, he hit the canvas twice and the easiness by which Carter maneuvered around him made Art look sick. When the much -one-sided tiff came to an end Aragon's granite-like jaw almost rubbed his chest admitting defeat. Just before leaving the ring exploded the sweetest music ever heard by Aragon. The fight mob, sensing they had seen a hero in action, let go with a tremendous roar of effection for the man they had despised for so long. But Aragon couldn't take that standing up. He sat in his corner stool. Then he wept, he sobbed shaking in convulsions like a broken child..
Frank, The Aragon/Carter title fight will be 60 years ago this November 14.
I was there...I seen a very courageous fighter that night in Art Aragon....Art beat Carter in an earlier fight at a higher weight, but at 135 he was out of the fight after four rounds, he lasted the fifteen rounds just on courage and pride...Art was a very proud fighter at a time when fighters carried themselves like stars, and stars they were... ....I could have called him a great warrior, but I hate that word, seems to me like that word is overuse this days...
By STEPHEN WILSON The Associated Press
Sat, Sep 24
LONDON — Denying corruption claims in the "strongest possible terms," amateur boxing’s governing body set up a special committee Friday to investigate allegations of attempts to fix results at next year’s London Olympics.
The International Amateur Boxing Association said a five-man panel will look into claims made in a BBC television program that US$9 million has been paid from Azerbaijan to ensure the former Soviet republic wins two gold medals at the Games.
Bribes were allegedly paid to the World Series of Boxing, a subsidiary of AIBA.
"AIBA and WSB deny in the strongest possible terms that they accepted an investment from Azerbaijan in exchange for two gold medals at the London 2012 Olympics — or indeed for any improper purpose," the boxing bodies said in a statement.
"At this stage AIBA is not aware of any credible evidence" to support allegations that WSB chief operating officer Ivan Khodabakhsh promised gold medals to Azerbaijan in return for the payment, it said.
"Ivan Khodabakhsh is a man of integrity and AIBA trusts him and respects his work," the statement said, adding that he has promised to co-operate "fully and freely" with the probe.
AIBA president C.K. Wu of Taiwan, who is also a member of the International Olympic Committee, appointed a "special investigation committee" to look into the claims.
The panel will be led by Tom Virgets, chairman of AIBA’s disciplinary commission. AIBA said the group would convene immediately in Baku, Azerbaijan, where the amateur world championships are currently taking place.
IOC president Jacques Rogge welcomed AIBA’s probe and asked the BBC to turn over its evidence for possible action.
"We take every allegation very seriously," Rogge told a news conference after a sports seminar in Beijing.
Speaking by telephone from AIBA’s home city of Lausanne, Khodabakhsh told The Associated Press on Friday that the allegations were "completely ridiculous" and "absolute lies."
"I have never been asked to nor have I ever undertaken anything illegal or unethical in the course of my duties working for WSB," Khodabakhsh said in the AIBA statement. "I am ready to personally take any possible measures to clear my name and prove that the accusations are false and without any ground."
Citing unnamed "whistleblowers" and "insiders," BBC’s Newsnight program on Thursday alleged that the $9 million was paid by an Azerbaijan national to WSB, an international franchise competition supported by AIBA. The program said the money was needed by the WSB because it had run into financial difficulties in the United States.
In its statement Friday, AIBA said it accepted a loan from a "private Azerbaijani investor" for the operation of WSB’s American franchises.
"The loan was not ‘secret’ and nor was there anything improper about it," the statement said. "It was an arm’s-length transaction between two entities made on a commercial basis and with a view to a commercial return for the investor.
"Any suggestion that the loan was made in return for promises of gold medals at the 2012 Olympics is, we repeat, preposterous and utterly untrue," AIBA said.
Gerhard Heiberg, the IOC official who oversaw reforms of AIBA after the 2004 Athens Olympics, said the allegations came as a shock.
Heiberg said he doesn’t see how it would be possible to fix the medal results but the allegations should be investigated anyway and AIBA should face "consequences" if bribes were paid.
"I feel we have found systems now to prevent things like that," he said. "I cannot see how it could be possible to fix and give two gold medals. I cannot see how it can function in practice. Fifteen years ago yes, but not today."
Now when everyone watches the Olympics next year, there is always that little doubt in the back of one's mind on if the results are on the level. Not only in the boxing event but the other events as well. I say, lets send Bennie over there to police the boxing events.
Now when everyone watches the Olympics next year, there is always that little doubt in the back of one's mind on if the results are on the level. Not only in the boxing event but the other events as well. I say, lets send Bennie over there to police the boxing events.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. took advantage of a mistake by Victor Ortiz last Saturday. But Mayweather did nothing illegal when he dropped a 1-2 on a nonchalant Ortiz late in the fourth round of their welterweight title fight at MGM Grand in Las Vegas.
On the other hand, Ortiz was guilty of launching his head like a missile into the mouth of Mayweather as a prelude to perhaps the most surreal ending to a fight in decades. Ortiz's actions were egregious.
And just think, Mayweather knocked out Ortiz when Ortiz foolishly had his hands down and can't even get in trouble for it because referee Joe Cortez had waved the fight back on after taking a point from Ortiz.
A fighter is told before every bout to protect himself at all times. Ortiz first failed to do that before absorbing a short left hook. Ortiz's instincts should have been to then put up his hands. He instead looked at Cortez and then got pulverized by a right cross.
Strike two, and you're out.
Shame on Ortiz, who no doubt threw his head-butt out of the frustration he must have been feeling from not being able to land many clean punches on Mayweather (check out the replay tonight on HBO).
Mayweather, not surprisingly, is taking more heat on this than Ortiz. That's not fair because even though what Mayweather did could be construed as unsportsmanlike, he did not foul. Ortiz did. It doesn't even matter Cortez wasn't looking at the fighters when Mayweather unloaded the left because,
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again, Mayweather was legal.
But that's likely all right with Mayweather. The more haters he has - and he has a lot - the more money he'll make when he and Manny Pacquiao finally get together, hopefully sometime next year.
That fight already was going to be the biggest money-making fight in history. Now it will be off the charts because of last Saturday's craziness witnessed by almost 15,000 fans and a large pay-per-view audience.
If Mayweather and Golden Boy Promotions and Pacquiao and Bob Arum's Top Rank Inc. can't get this fight made after Pacquiao takes care of Juan Manuel Marquez on Nov. 12, shame on them.
During Saturday night's post-fight news conference, Mayweather bellowed, "If you the best, take the best," meaning the Olympic-style drug-testing he demands of all his opponents. He was speaking indirectly to Pacquiao.
He later talked about how people would perceive him if he had gone from a mini-flyweight to a junior middleweight as a pro like Pacquiao. Basically, he said if he had done that everyone would think he's on something. But not Pacquiao.
What Mayweather didn't say was when he was a 16-year-old amateur he boxed at 106 pounds. Mayweather has fought professionally at as high as 150 pounds. Pacquiao turned pro at 106 pounds - at age 16 - and his highest weigh-in for a fight is 145 3/4. Even when Pacquiao fought for a junior middleweight title at a catch-weight of 150, four under the limit, Pacquiao weighed in at just 144 1/2 pounds.
Anyway, right now it seems like the only real issue might be getting the United States Anti-Doping Agency and the state athletic commission hosting the fight, probably Nevada, to agree to do the testing in conjunction with each other.
In other words, it's all good with Arum and Pacquiao if the testing is done under the supervision of a commission. That was not the case with Mayweather-Ortiz.
If that is indeed the biggest stumbling block remaining, this fight should get done. Keeping fingers crossed. Assuming it does, it is bigger than huge. Huge huge. Three million pay-per-view buys? Easily. The record is 2.5 million by Mayweather-Oscar De La Hoya, and it would be shattered.
These two are the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world. One is a beloved politician and humanitarian from the Philippines while the other is loved by a few and hated by millions.
Yep, Saturday was a debacle of sorts, but this was not a black eye for boxing. It was like finding the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
For example, it really was funny to read this week how Arum has been telling reporters how much he disliked what Mayweather did Saturday. Deep down inside, you can bet Arum was thrilled about it because it will eventually make his pockets fatter.
The feeling here is this fight will happen. And Mayweather will win. Pacquiao is great, but Mayweather is better.
In spite of the obvious contempt which the greater portion of latin fans hold for him, Art already has been successful in swaying there emotions. It has only happened once and possibly will never happen again. That was when he faced Jimmy Carter for the crown. Sweating off valuable pounds from a body rippling with lean muscles so as to make the weight limit, Art blew his chances for success. But he fought one of the most valiant he-man matches ever seen on the coast. He was punished severly, he hit the canvas twice and the easiness by which Carter maneuvered around him made Art look sick. When the much -one-sided tiff came to an end Aragon's granite-like jaw almost rubbed his chest admitting defeat. Just before leaving the ring exploded the sweetest music ever heard by Aragon. The fight mob, sensing they had seen a hero in action, let go with a tremendous roar of effection for the man they had despised for so long. But Aragon couldn't take that standing up. He sat in his corner stool. Then he wept, he sobbed shaking in convulsions like a broken child..
Frank, The Aragon/Carter title fight will be 60 years ago this November 14.
I was there...I seen a very courageous fighter that night in Art Aragon....Art beat Carter in an earlier fight at a higher weight, but at 135 he was out of the fight after four rounds, he lasted the fifteen rounds just on courage and pride...Art was a very proud fighter at a time when fighters carried themselves like stars, and stars they were... ....I could have called him a great warrior, but I hate that word, seems to me like that word is overuse this days...
Frank, I agree with you buddy back in Aragon's day you had fighters trying to become stars, today you have stars trying to become fighters..
kikibalt wrote:Panel to probe boxing bribery allegations
Amateur organization denies taking money
By STEPHEN WILSON The Associated Press
Sat, Sep 24
LONDON — Denying corruption claims in the "strongest possible terms," amateur boxing’s governing body set up a special committee Friday to investigate allegations of attempts to fix results at next year’s London Olympics.
The International Amateur Boxing Association said a five-man panel will look into claims made in a BBC television program that US$9 million has been paid from Azerbaijan to ensure the former Soviet republic wins two gold medals at the Games.
Bribes were allegedly paid to the World Series of Boxing, a subsidiary of AIBA.
"AIBA and WSB deny in the strongest possible terms that they accepted an investment from Azerbaijan in exchange for two gold medals at the London 2012 Olympics — or indeed for any improper purpose," the boxing bodies said in a statement.
"At this stage AIBA is not aware of any credible evidence" to support allegations that WSB chief operating officer Ivan Khodabakhsh promised gold medals to Azerbaijan in return for the payment, it said.
"Ivan Khodabakhsh is a man of integrity and AIBA trusts him and respects his work," the statement said, adding that he has promised to co-operate "fully and freely" with the probe.
AIBA president C.K. Wu of Taiwan, who is also a member of the International Olympic Committee, appointed a "special investigation committee" to look into the claims.
The panel will be led by Tom Virgets, chairman of AIBA’s disciplinary commission. AIBA said the group would convene immediately in Baku, Azerbaijan, where the amateur world championships are currently taking place.
IOC president Jacques Rogge welcomed AIBA’s probe and asked the BBC to turn over its evidence for possible action.
"We take every allegation very seriously," Rogge told a news conference after a sports seminar in Beijing.
Speaking by telephone from AIBA’s home city of Lausanne, Khodabakhsh told The Associated Press on Friday that the allegations were "completely ridiculous" and "absolute lies."
"I have never been asked to nor have I ever undertaken anything illegal or unethical in the course of my duties working for WSB," Khodabakhsh said in the AIBA statement. "I am ready to personally take any possible measures to clear my name and prove that the accusations are false and without any ground."
Citing unnamed "whistleblowers" and "insiders," BBC’s Newsnight program on Thursday alleged that the $9 million was paid by an Azerbaijan national to WSB, an international franchise competition supported by AIBA. The program said the money was needed by the WSB because it had run into financial difficulties in the United States.
In its statement Friday, AIBA said it accepted a loan from a "private Azerbaijani investor" for the operation of WSB’s American franchises.
"The loan was not ‘secret’ and nor was there anything improper about it," the statement said. "It was an arm’s-length transaction between two entities made on a commercial basis and with a view to a commercial return for the investor.
"Any suggestion that the loan was made in return for promises of gold medals at the 2012 Olympics is, we repeat, preposterous and utterly untrue," AIBA said.
Gerhard Heiberg, the IOC official who oversaw reforms of AIBA after the 2004 Athens Olympics, said the allegations came as a shock.
Heiberg said he doesn’t see how it would be possible to fix the medal results but the allegations should be investigated anyway and AIBA should face "consequences" if bribes were paid.
"I feel we have found systems now to prevent things like that," he said. "I cannot see how it could be possible to fix and give two gold medals. I cannot see how it can function in practice. Fifteen years ago yes, but not today."
Harry Mullan used to say that you don't need to 'fix' fights because we all know who is going to win beforehand anyway.
In spite of the obvious contempt which the greater portion of latin fans hold for him, Art already has been successful in swaying there emotions. It has only happened once and possibly will never happen again. That was when he faced Jimmy Carter for the crown. Sweating off valuable pounds from a body rippling with lean muscles so as to make the weight limit, Art blew his chances for success. But he fought one of the most valiant he-man matches ever seen on the coast. He was punished severly, he hit the canvas twice and the easiness by which Carter maneuvered around him made Art look sick. When the much -one-sided tiff came to an end Aragon's granite-like jaw almost rubbed his chest admitting defeat. Just before leaving the ring exploded the sweetest music ever heard by Aragon. The fight mob, sensing they had seen a hero in action, let go with a tremendous roar of effection for the man they had despised for so long. But Aragon couldn't take that standing up. He sat in his corner stool. Then he wept, he sobbed shaking in convulsions like a broken child..
Frank, The Aragon/Carter title fight will be 60 years ago this November 14.
I was there...I seen a very courageous fighter that night in Art Aragon....Art beat Carter in an earlier fight at a higher weight, but at 135 he was out of the fight after four rounds, he lasted the fifteen rounds just on courage and pride...Art was a very proud fighter at a time when fighters carried themselves like stars, and stars they were... ....I could have called him a great warrior, but I hate that word, seems to me like that word is overuse this days...
Frank, I agree with you buddy back in Aragon's day you had fighters trying to become stars, today you have stars trying to become fighters..
kikibalt wrote:Panel to probe boxing bribery allegations
Amateur organization denies taking money
By STEPHEN WILSON The Associated Press
Sat, Sep 24
LONDON — Denying corruption claims in the "strongest possible terms," amateur boxing’s governing body set up a special committee Friday to investigate allegations of attempts to fix results at next year’s London Olympics.
The International Amateur Boxing Association said a five-man panel will look into claims made in a BBC television program that US$9 million has been paid from Azerbaijan to ensure the former Soviet republic wins two gold medals at the Games.
Bribes were allegedly paid to the World Series of Boxing, a subsidiary of AIBA.
"AIBA and WSB deny in the strongest possible terms that they accepted an investment from Azerbaijan in exchange for two gold medals at the London 2012 Olympics — or indeed for any improper purpose," the boxing bodies said in a statement.
"At this stage AIBA is not aware of any credible evidence" to support allegations that WSB chief operating officer Ivan Khodabakhsh promised gold medals to Azerbaijan in return for the payment, it said.
"Ivan Khodabakhsh is a man of integrity and AIBA trusts him and respects his work," the statement said, adding that he has promised to co-operate "fully and freely" with the probe.
AIBA president C.K. Wu of Taiwan, who is also a member of the International Olympic Committee, appointed a "special investigation committee" to look into the claims.
The panel will be led by Tom Virgets, chairman of AIBA’s disciplinary commission. AIBA said the group would convene immediately in Baku, Azerbaijan, where the amateur world championships are currently taking place.
IOC president Jacques Rogge welcomed AIBA’s probe and asked the BBC to turn over its evidence for possible action.
"We take every allegation very seriously," Rogge told a news conference after a sports seminar in Beijing.
Speaking by telephone from AIBA’s home city of Lausanne, Khodabakhsh told The Associated Press on Friday that the allegations were "completely ridiculous" and "absolute lies."
"I have never been asked to nor have I ever undertaken anything illegal or unethical in the course of my duties working for WSB," Khodabakhsh said in the AIBA statement. "I am ready to personally take any possible measures to clear my name and prove that the accusations are false and without any ground."
Citing unnamed "whistleblowers" and "insiders," BBC’s Newsnight program on Thursday alleged that the $9 million was paid by an Azerbaijan national to WSB, an international franchise competition supported by AIBA. The program said the money was needed by the WSB because it had run into financial difficulties in the United States.
In its statement Friday, AIBA said it accepted a loan from a "private Azerbaijani investor" for the operation of WSB’s American franchises.
"The loan was not ‘secret’ and nor was there anything improper about it," the statement said. "It was an arm’s-length transaction between two entities made on a commercial basis and with a view to a commercial return for the investor.
"Any suggestion that the loan was made in return for promises of gold medals at the 2012 Olympics is, we repeat, preposterous and utterly untrue," AIBA said.
Gerhard Heiberg, the IOC official who oversaw reforms of AIBA after the 2004 Athens Olympics, said the allegations came as a shock.
Heiberg said he doesn’t see how it would be possible to fix the medal results but the allegations should be investigated anyway and AIBA should face "consequences" if bribes were paid.
"I feel we have found systems now to prevent things like that," he said. "I cannot see how it could be possible to fix and give two gold medals. I cannot see how it can function in practice. Fifteen years ago yes, but not today."
Harry Mullan used to say that you don't need to 'fix' fights because we all know who is going to win beforehand anyway.
"kiki!, kiki!!", Connie was screaming at the top of her lungs at me, man! does that woman have a set of pipes on her.
"Yes dear" I answered.
"What did you do to my blouse!?" she asked me as she is holding up a dark blouse for me to see. It was a dark blue blouse with some white spots that looked like they didn't belong there.
"I didn't do nothing to your blouse dear" I told her as I begin to sweat.
"You do the laundry, don't you!?."
"Of course I do" I said.
"Well, look!, you ruin one of my favorite blouses, did you get some bleach on it!?."
"It wasn't my fault" I told her.
"Who's fault was it?, the dogs?,they are the only ones here with you during the day.
"If you want to believe that, I'll agree with you" I told her as I walked away
kikibalt wrote:"kiki!, kiki!!", Connie was screaming at the top of her lungs at me, man! does that woman have a set of pipes on her.
"Yes dear" I answered.
"What did you do to my blouse!?" she asked me as she is holding up a dark blouse for me to see. It was a dark blue blouse with some white spots that looked like they didn't belong there.
"I didn't do nothing to your blouse dear" I told her as I begin to sweat.
"You do the laundry, don't you!?."
"Of course I do" I said.
"Well, look!, you ruin one of my favorite blouses, did you get some bleach on it!?."
"It wasn't my fault" I told her.
"Who's fault was it?, the dogs?,they are the only ones here with you during the day.
"If you want to believe that, I'll agree with you" I told her as I walked away
kikibalt wrote:"kiki!, kiki!!", Connie was screaming at the top of her lungs at me, man! does that woman have a set of pipes on her.
"Yes dear" I answered.
"What did you do to my blouse!?" she asked me as she is holding up a dark blouse for me to see. It was a dark blue blouse with some white spots that looked like they didn't belong there.
"I didn't do nothing to your blouse dear" I told her as I begin to sweat.
"You do the laundry, don't you!?."
"Of course I do" I said.
"Well, look!, you ruin one of my favorite blouses, did you get some bleach on it!?."
"It wasn't my fault" I told her.
"Who's fault was it?, the dogs?,they are the only ones here with you during the day.
"If you want to believe that, I'll agree with you" I told her as I walked away
I think Connie got over her blouse that I ruin. She just asked me if I would like her to make albondigas with home made tortillas. "Hell yes babe, go for it" I said....
Jets go down to defeat in Oakland today. Jets still had their chances,but Sanchez and offense were going nowhere. Only way they kept up with Oakland was that Oakland was giving away yds in penalties. Kickoff fumble by Cromartie in 4th Qtr caps a horrific day for him. 14 pts in 45 secs by Raiders.
Now we head into Baltimore with alot of work left for the offense. Cant keep relying on defensive pts.(interception tds,blocked kicks Td ,fumble recoveries etc etc).
It was bound to kick us in the arse one day- and today was it.
Frank, That was an excellent win for Tony, Roger Mayweather was a good fighter, looks like Tony has just nailed him with a left hook. Tony could bang with that left hook, Frank..
kikibalt wrote:I think Connie got over her blouse that I ruin. She just asked me if I would like her to make albondigas with home made tortillas. "Hell yes babe, go for it" I said....
I think you had better check for any special ingredients like powered glass, you know what women are like mate when they are most friendly is when they are most deadly
kikibalt wrote:I think Connie got over her blouse that I ruin. She just asked me if I would like her to make albondigas with home made tortillas. "Hell yes babe, go for it" I said....
I think you had better check for any special ingredients like powered glass, you know what women are like mate when they are most friendly is when they are most deadly
I made it through the night, so I guess there was no powered glass in the food last night....
