crusader wrote:
It says a lot about the quality of the 'big men' in the division when the top contenders are (or were) cruiserweights, but it's no joke that the Klitschkos have fought these highly ranked opponents.
Is Donaire a top 5 middleweight?
Are you for real ?
The klits have been fighting blown up cruiserweights of late, Haye, Adamek and now Mormeck. Did you not see how rank Adamek was ? It was embaressing and Haye was hardlt better and now Mormeck is the latest. It just shows how weak the division is when blown up cruiserweights that are way over the hill are getting title shots. It's easy work for the Klits and they know it !!!
Like i say, it's a joke
Yes, I am for real. Haye was the consensus #3 fighter in the division when he fought Wlad, and Adamek was universally ranked in the top 5 when he fought Vitali. It is no joke that the Klitschkos fought the highest ranked opponents that were available, but the quality of those opponents does reflect poorly on the overall state of the division.
You forgot to answer my question---is Donaire a top 5 middleweight with multiple bouts at that weight?
The donaire comment should be taken in the context of the thread..........enough said
Fair enough these guys were ranked high enough, but to be honest it says a lot about the ranking systems that allows people like Adamek to be ranked high enouigh to gain a title shot. I don't think the rankings system means anything at all, Haye was installed at no.3 when he had only had two or three fights at heavyweight, so it's perhaps more about the name than anything else. I agree that it reflects badly on the heavyweight division when Adamek is ranked no.5 and is completely out of his depth iagainst Vitali, primarliy because he just isn't big enough. Personally, i think these people shouldn't be given a title shot and god knows how bad the opponents they beat must have been. The heavyweight division is appalling these days.
The klits have been fighting blown up cruiserweights of late, Haye, Adamek and now Mormeck. Did you not see how rank Adamek was ? It was embaressing and Haye was hardlt better and now Mormeck is the latest. It just shows how weak the division is when blown up cruiserweights that are way over the hill are getting title shots. It's easy work for the Klits and they know it !!!
Like i say, it's a joke
Yes, I am for real. Haye was the consensus #3 fighter in the division when he fought Wlad, and Adamek was universally ranked in the top 5 when he fought Vitali. It is no joke that the Klitschkos fought the highest ranked opponents that were available, but the quality of those opponents does reflect poorly on the overall state of the division.
You forgot to answer my question---is Donaire a top 5 middleweight with multiple bouts at that weight?
The donaire comment should be taken in the context of the thread..........enough said
Fair enough these guys were ranked high enough, but to be honest it says a lot about the ranking systems that allows people like Adamek to be ranked high enouigh to gain a title shot. I don't think the rankings system means anything at all, Haye was installed at no.3 when he had only had two or three fights at heavyweight, so it's perhaps more about the name than anything else. I agree that it reflects badly on the heavyweight division when Adamek is ranked no.5 and is completely out of his depth iagainst Vitali, primarliy because he just isn't big enough. Personally, i think these people shouldn't be given a title shot and god knows how bad the opponents they beat must have been. The heavyweight division is appalling these days.
Adamek beat Chris Arreola and Michael Grant, that's why he was ranked so high. Anyone that can beat them two deserves a title shot.
Haye was ranked #3 because he beat the guy that was #3. What more does he have to do?
crusader wrote:
Yes, I am for real. Haye was the consensus #3 fighter in the division when he fought Wlad, and Adamek was universally ranked in the top 5 when he fought Vitali. It is no joke that the Klitschkos fought the highest ranked opponents that were available, but the quality of those opponents does reflect poorly on the overall state of the division.
You forgot to answer my question---is Donaire a top 5 middleweight with multiple bouts at that weight?
The donaire comment should be taken in the context of the thread..........enough said
Fair enough these guys were ranked high enough, but to be honest it says a lot about the ranking systems that allows people like Adamek to be ranked high enouigh to gain a title shot. I don't think the rankings system means anything at all, Haye was installed at no.3 when he had only had two or three fights at heavyweight, so it's perhaps more about the name than anything else. I agree that it reflects badly on the heavyweight division when Adamek is ranked no.5 and is completely out of his depth iagainst Vitali, primarliy because he just isn't big enough. Personally, i think these people shouldn't be given a title shot and god knows how bad the opponents they beat must have been. The heavyweight division is appalling these days.
Adamek beat Chris Arreola and Michael Grant, that's why he was ranked so high. Anyone that can beat them two deserves a title shot.
Haye was ranked #3 because he beat the guy that was #3. What more does he have to do?
Of course they should be givan a shot.
All this proves is what a crock of shit the heavyweight division is..........He beats Arreola and Grant to get a shot :P
Listen, i know were you are coming from with the rankings etc etc, but the fact that the proving ground for a title shot involves beating people like Arreola and Grant just proves its a washed up division.............
Nothing against you mate for pointing stuff out, i've had this view point for a while now :)
Quixall wrote:
The donaire comment should be taken in the context of the thread..........enough said
Fair enough these guys were ranked high enough, but to be honest it says a lot about the ranking systems that allows people like Adamek to be ranked high enouigh to gain a title shot. I don't think the rankings system means anything at all, Haye was installed at no.3 when he had only had two or three fights at heavyweight, so it's perhaps more about the name than anything else. I agree that it reflects badly on the heavyweight division when Adamek is ranked no.5 and is completely out of his depth iagainst Vitali, primarliy because he just isn't big enough. Personally, i think these people shouldn't be given a title shot and god knows how bad the opponents they beat must have been. The heavyweight division is appalling these days.
Adamek beat Chris Arreola and Michael Grant, that's why he was ranked so high. Anyone that can beat them two deserves a title shot.
Haye was ranked #3 because he beat the guy that was #3. What more does he have to do?
Of course they should be givan a shot.
All this proves is what a crock of shit the heavyweight division is..........He beats Arreola and Grant to get a shot :P
Listen, i know were you are coming from with the rankings etc etc, but the fact that the proving ground for a title shot involves beating people like Arreola and Grant just proves its a washed up division.............
Nothing against you mate for pointing stuff out, i've had this view point for a while now :)
I hear you brother. I think the Klitschkos come in for some stick, but you can only beat what's put in front of you.
It could be argued that Wlad has side stepped David Tua, but I think it would be a horrible fight and my man Tua would lose in a shut out.
keithmoonhangover wrote:
Adamek beat Chris Arreola and Michael Grant, that's why he was ranked so high. Anyone that can beat them two deserves a title shot.
Haye was ranked #3 because he beat the guy that was #3. What more does he have to do?
Of course they should be givan a shot.
All this proves is what a crock of shit the heavyweight division is..........He beats Arreola and Grant to get a shot :P
Listen, i know were you are coming from with the rankings etc etc, but the fact that the proving ground for a title shot involves beating people like Arreola and Grant just proves its a washed up division.............
Nothing against you mate for pointing stuff out, i've had this view point for a while now :)
I hear you brother. I think the Klitschkos come in for some stick, but you can only beat what's put in front of you.
It could be argued that Wlad has side stepped David Tua, but I think it would be a horrible fight and my man Tua would lose in a shut out.
I agree, both the Klitschko's would have been very competative in previous era's, but as you say, they can only fight what is put in front of them and at the moment that doesn't account to very much. The Klitschko's also know that its an easy nights work when they face the likes of Adamek and Mormeck. Tua is perhaps still living on his earlier reputation, the time when he fought Lewis, which was sometime back now. Its a bit like Toney, people harp on about his performance against Holyfield, but i seriously doubt that Toney could have beaten either Klitschko at anytime since he moved into the heavyweight division.
Quixall wrote:
All this proves is what a crock of shit the heavyweight division is..........He beats Arreola and Grant to get a shot :P
Listen, i know were you are coming from with the rankings etc etc, but the fact that the proving ground for a title shot involves beating people like Arreola and Grant just proves its a washed up division.............
Nothing against you mate for pointing stuff out, i've had this view point for a while now :)
I hear you brother. I think the Klitschkos come in for some stick, but you can only beat what's put in front of you.
It could be argued that Wlad has side stepped David Tua, but I think it would be a horrible fight and my man Tua would lose in a shut out.
I agree, both the Klitschko's would have been very competative in previous era's, but as you say, they can only fight what is put in front of them and at the moment that doesn't account to very much. The Klitschko's also know that its an easy nights work when they face the likes of Adamek and Mormeck. Tua is perhaps still living on his earlier reputation, the time when he fought Lewis, which was sometime back now. Its a bit like Toney, people harp on about his performance against Holyfield, but i seriously doubt that Toney could have beaten either Klitschko at anytime since he moved into the heavyweight division.
Toney beat a Holyfield that was well past his best. Wladimir would appear to be in his prime. Toney would get absolutely butchered by either.
keithmoonhangover wrote:
I hear you brother. I think the Klitschkos come in for some stick, but you can only beat what's put in front of you.
It could be argued that Wlad has side stepped David Tua, but I think it would be a horrible fight and my man Tua would lose in a shut out.
I agree, both the Klitschko's would have been very competative in previous era's, but as you say, they can only fight what is put in front of them and at the moment that doesn't account to very much. The Klitschko's also know that its an easy nights work when they face the likes of Adamek and Mormeck. Tua is perhaps still living on his earlier reputation, the time when he fought Lewis, which was sometime back now. Its a bit like Toney, people harp on about his performance against Holyfield, but i seriously doubt that Toney could have beaten either Klitschko at anytime since he moved into the heavyweight division.
Toney beat a Holyfield that was well past his best. Wladimir would appear to be in his prime. Toney would get absolutely butchered by either.
Maybe it's time for Mayweather to start on a weight gaining regime
Quixall wrote:
I hear you brother. I think the Klitschkos come in for some stick, but you can only beat what's put in front of you.
It could be argued that Wlad has side stepped David Tua, but I think it would be a horrible fight and my man Tua would lose in a shut out.
I agree, both the Klitschko's would have been very competative in previous era's, but as you say, they can only fight what is put in front of them and at the moment that doesn't account to very much. The Klitschko's also know that its an easy nights work when they face the likes of Adamek and Mormeck. Tua is perhaps still living on his earlier reputation, the time when he fought Lewis, which was sometime back now. Its a bit like Toney, people harp on about his performance against Holyfield, but i seriously doubt that Toney could have beaten either Klitschko at anytime since he moved into the heavyweight division.
Toney beat a Holyfield that was well past his best. Wladimir would appear to be in his prime. Toney would get absolutely butchered by either.
Maybe it's time for Mayweather to start on a weight gaining regime [/quote]
It's OK, Povetkin is going to beat both brothers (yes, I know it sounds crazy) and rescue the Heavyweight division.
