Witter and his stamina issue ???
Without knowing his training regime its hard to say but guys who fight like him can use up more energy if they are not breathing correctly , when movin and dancing u can tend to hold your breath , causing big problems has the fight goes on.
With the new age technology and so many fitness experts and guru's out there it can be decieving , a trainer can be caught up in the system and not wanting to look like he, does'nt know what he's doing can change to much his idea's especially on the fitness side.
A couple of years ago a fitness guru came into my gym (on someone else's invite) anyway after watching for a few weeks he started to tell me all about the hiuman body and the benefits of the bio chemics of the body the way oxegen is suplied and distributed bla bla bla, to be honest he completly bamboozled me with science and had me thinking everything i had done since i started has a ten year old boxer was wrong
After a while I got fed up and told him to take his bio chemics and fack off, has i told him if he thinks taking a fat middle aged man through some soft pushups and situps , so he loses weight is the same has training a fighter he can think again, I told him look around and everyone in there was capable of jumping in the ring right there and then and sparring a sraight ten hard rounds , ameteurs has well has pro's and I could tell just by looking if any one of my lads had put so much has a pound on .
They were not all champions but every single one was fit , fit to the stage where has other coaches used to telll me they were amazed at how fit my lads were, how did i get them there
Simple i used the theory that was taught to me u want to be a footballer kick a ball , cricketer hit a ball , you want to be a fighter hit the bag , hit the pads , hit your sparring partne and hit your opponent In other words throw punches constantly
Situps, pushups,running all the related excerizes are inportant , but overall took into context . you want to be a boxer box after all how many race horses do you see kicking a bag, the old time fighters trained that way , i'm in my fifties and still do 5-6 hard rnds of sparring at least twice a week i'm not training lads anymore but i go to the gym and i spar a couple of pro's and love it , 5-6 rnds is my limit cos i start to wear out anything after that and cop to many so i limit myself , but u know what boxing i can do easy but a 3 minuite run to the shop i struggle with .
Too many boxers do too many other things beside box
With the new age technology and so many fitness experts and guru's out there it can be decieving , a trainer can be caught up in the system and not wanting to look like he, does'nt know what he's doing can change to much his idea's especially on the fitness side.
A couple of years ago a fitness guru came into my gym (on someone else's invite) anyway after watching for a few weeks he started to tell me all about the hiuman body and the benefits of the bio chemics of the body the way oxegen is suplied and distributed bla bla bla, to be honest he completly bamboozled me with science and had me thinking everything i had done since i started has a ten year old boxer was wrong
After a while I got fed up and told him to take his bio chemics and fack off, has i told him if he thinks taking a fat middle aged man through some soft pushups and situps , so he loses weight is the same has training a fighter he can think again, I told him look around and everyone in there was capable of jumping in the ring right there and then and sparring a sraight ten hard rounds , ameteurs has well has pro's and I could tell just by looking if any one of my lads had put so much has a pound on .
They were not all champions but every single one was fit , fit to the stage where has other coaches used to telll me they were amazed at how fit my lads were, how did i get them there
Simple i used the theory that was taught to me u want to be a footballer kick a ball , cricketer hit a ball , you want to be a fighter hit the bag , hit the pads , hit your sparring partne and hit your opponent In other words throw punches constantly
Situps, pushups,running all the related excerizes are inportant , but overall took into context . you want to be a boxer box after all how many race horses do you see kicking a bag, the old time fighters trained that way , i'm in my fifties and still do 5-6 hard rnds of sparring at least twice a week i'm not training lads anymore but i go to the gym and i spar a couple of pro's and love it , 5-6 rnds is my limit cos i start to wear out anything after that and cop to many so i limit myself , but u know what boxing i can do easy but a 3 minuite run to the shop i struggle with .
Too many boxers do too many other things beside box
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jamesmcdonnell
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Hmm, I think you're being too harsh.coneye wrote:Without knowing his training regime its hard to say but guys who fight like him can use up more energy if they are not breathing correctly , when movin and dancing u can tend to hold your breath , causing big problems has the fight goes on.
With the new age technology and so many fitness experts and guru's out there it can be decieving , a trainer can be caught up in the system and not wanting to look like he, does'nt know what he's doing can change to much his idea's especially on the fitness side.
A couple of years ago a fitness guru came into my gym (on someone else's invite) anyway after watching for a few weeks he started to tell me all about the hiuman body and the benefits of the bio chemics of the body the way oxegen is suplied and distributed bla bla bla, to be honest he completly bamboozled me with science and had me thinking everything i had done since i started has a ten year old boxer was wrong
After a while I got fed up and told him to take his bio chemics and fack off, has i told him if he thinks taking a fat middle aged man through some soft pushups and situps , so he loses weight is the same has training a fighter he can think again, I told him look around and everyone in there was capable of jumping in the ring right there and then and sparring a sraight ten hard rounds , ameteurs has well has pro's and I could tell just by looking if any one of my lads had put so much has a pound on .
They were not all champions but every single one was fit , fit to the stage where has other coaches used to telll me they were amazed at how fit my lads were, how did i get them there
Simple i used the theory that was taught to me u want to be a footballer kick a ball , cricketer hit a ball , you want to be a fighter hit the bag , hit the pads , hit your sparring partne and hit your opponent In other words throw punches constantly
Situps, pushups,running all the related excerizes are inportant , but overall took into context . you want to be a boxer box after all how many race horses do you see kicking a bag, the old time fighters trained that way , i'm in my fifties and still do 5-6 hard rnds of sparring at least twice a week i'm not training lads anymore but i go to the gym and i spar a couple of pro's and love it , 5-6 rnds is my limit cos i start to wear out anything after that and cop to many so i limit myself , but u know what boxing i can do easy but a 3 minuite run to the shop i struggle with .
Too many boxers do too many other things beside box
The fact is, boxing training methods have remained largely unchanged for 50 years, aside from advances in nutrition and the increase in the use of weight training, it's pretty much the same thing.
The old timers fought up to 20 times a year back then, and were literally 'fighting fit' the same cannot be said of modern boxing, when successful fighters do 6 week gym stints followed by 2 months of pie-eating and drinking bitter if they so choose.
The continual improvements in athletics are largely to do with the fact that the science of training is constantly evolving, something which started in the 1980's and continues to this day.
Of course, I'm not a boxing trainer, and I'm sure there are plenty of people know more about it than myself, but it makes sense to incorporate the best of modern sports science into boxing.
Of course, boxing is unlike other sports in that it's the ability to fight which counts most, not athletic performance, it's the only sport along with MMA where you risk getting your brains bashed in/out which means that for all the athletic prowess in the world, being able to hit and avoid being hit is more important.
S i take it u agree with me, its stupid not to incoperate any usefull tool or method into a quest for fitness, but has u said boxing is different and the best way to get fit for moving , parrying , slipping punches whilst at the same time being hit and looking for the oppertunity to hit back is simple.
U PRACTICE IT
There is fit and there is FIGHT FIT, Witter is fit Hatton IS fight fit , Don't know there training regimes but would'nt mind betting that Hatton spends more time in the gym throwing Leather be it at the pads bags or sparring partner than Witter does.
U PRACTICE IT
There is fit and there is FIGHT FIT, Witter is fit Hatton IS fight fit , Don't know there training regimes but would'nt mind betting that Hatton spends more time in the gym throwing Leather be it at the pads bags or sparring partner than Witter does.
I think he is in pretty good shape, but he's an antsy kind of fighter, not very relaxed in the ring and ppl do talk about "burning up nervous energy", also he does throw every punch hard and if they're not connecting (Kotelnik) or the other guy can take it (N'Dou) he's bound to get tired.
Agree with the idea that he needs to settle down and box a bit more conservatively. If you look at the first round of his fight with Bienias he was jabbing quite well and was quite tucked up, that's the only time I've seen him take that approach or look pretty good jabbing. They should work on his jab more as he tends to open up too much as he throws it and Ingle has increasingly had him try work off it since he won the EBU.
The major weakness I see in his technique is that he's not good at catching punches on the gloves, so if the opponent has a good defence (Kotelnik) then Witter has to back up to avoid being hit/countered.
Agree with the idea that he needs to settle down and box a bit more conservatively. If you look at the first round of his fight with Bienias he was jabbing quite well and was quite tucked up, that's the only time I've seen him take that approach or look pretty good jabbing. They should work on his jab more as he tends to open up too much as he throws it and Ingle has increasingly had him try work off it since he won the EBU.
The major weakness I see in his technique is that he's not good at catching punches on the gloves, so if the opponent has a good defence (Kotelnik) then Witter has to back up to avoid being hit/countered.
hill runs are the single most integral part in peaking for fights....for me....title fights I`m talking here...
that aint Witters problem though...there are two for me....one is what some call genetic....which it isnt but he hasnt got what is called an engine,1 in 30 fighters have it,some are just fit....but some have the engine and Witter aint....
the second is he`s never had the right build up fights ,he went from knockover jobs for years to hard twelves...the missing ingredient is experience....unfortunately you cant learn it in books or in a gym...experience is when the other guy pushes you hard and close over long hard rds.....
and one more that I think is important is amateur grounding...amateur coaches let kids with talent do fornicate all in training ,cos they can do 3 rds in their sleep....I have seen hundreds of kids come from this background...most of them dont turn it round...you need to be on their case 4 years before they get to titles to turn it round,before that you can get them fit sparring plenty and explaining that one day all the dancing stops and fighting starts...
that aint Witters problem though...there are two for me....one is what some call genetic....which it isnt but he hasnt got what is called an engine,1 in 30 fighters have it,some are just fit....but some have the engine and Witter aint....
the second is he`s never had the right build up fights ,he went from knockover jobs for years to hard twelves...the missing ingredient is experience....unfortunately you cant learn it in books or in a gym...experience is when the other guy pushes you hard and close over long hard rds.....
and one more that I think is important is amateur grounding...amateur coaches let kids with talent do fornicate all in training ,cos they can do 3 rds in their sleep....I have seen hundreds of kids come from this background...most of them dont turn it round...you need to be on their case 4 years before they get to titles to turn it round,before that you can get them fit sparring plenty and explaining that one day all the dancing stops and fighting starts...
Good call, also goes back to what i said about holding the breath , fight like him and your constantly changing position , and rythm holding your breath will tire you out big time ,Its not done on purpose , but has Tea just pointed out he goes from knock over jobs to harder opponents and has not got the breathing under full control thats why he can look brilliant one fight and shite the next , He needs to settle down a bit more but he won't cos thats not the Ingle style of training, and like u said moving away from a punch especialy if leaning and turning direction takes a lot more out of you than simply slipping or blocking ,mrbassie wrote:I think he is in pretty good shape, but he's an antsy kind of fighter, not very relaxed in the ring and ppl do talk about "burning up nervous energy", also he does throw every punch hard and if they're not connecting (Kotelnik) or the other guy can take it (N'Dou) he's bound to get tired.
The major weakness I see in his technique is that he's not good at catching punches on the gloves, so if the opponent has a good defence (Kotelnik) then Witter has to back up to avoid being hit/countered.
Hatton will always do 12 rnds at a harder pace easier, simply because he establishes a rythm and keeps it going
One other boxer who is a sumpremely conditioned athlete is Sam Solliman , now he also is a guy who constantly changes direction, angles , and is forever moving, but watch him the guys so relaxed he fights with a smile on his face he has his breathing under control, and it shows, that guy will fight world war one have a five minuite break and ask to do it again.
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Slapsie Maxie
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