Are British Prospects Being Rushed?

liamlion
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Re: Are British Prospects Being Rushed?

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maltesecharlie wrote:Not at all. I think British boxing is in the best shape its been for ages. The last 6 or 7 big british title fights (or involving 2 British boxers) on Sky have been quality. As with Groves and Degale I would much rather have two prospects fight each other rather than handpicked opponents to beef up their record.
Amen to that.

It kills me when you have two good undefeated British fighters and the promoter states that the fight is too premature and that it will be massive down the road. But in reality what often happens is that the two end up losing and the fight ultimately never happens.
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Crease wrote:Ina ll honesty YES. Especially Tyson Fury, if I were his manager, I wouldn't reccommend him fighting for a World Heavyweight Title for another 4/5 years.

I'd just keep him busy and defending his British title & Commonwealth titles, then after 2 years (7-8 fights) of that move up to the European level (5-6 fights there).

Fury has got much, much to learn... No doubt.
I agree he's just not ready to fight anyone at the top level (But he does look a good prospect for the future)
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It's matchmaking that is an issue, the lads don't fight a complete set of opponents in their learning fights.

I know it's an extreme example, but Leonard fought a bit of everything in his first ten fights, and from then on was experienced enough to fight at genuine ten round level, rather than against a scrub with a pretty looking record that is sanctioned by the board.

The poor matchmaking is why a loss seems like a disaster, because half the time unless the opponent is a name people will just assume that the loser was ''exposed'' or ''overrated'', allied to the fact that the likes of DeGale, Gavin etc have only fought an average of four times a year.

If either of those were 18-1 after three years with a fair spread of opponents it would probably be regarded as decent progress. As it is, DeGale has the loss to Groves but isn't doing all that bad considering (obvious flaws aside) yet Frankie is stuck in the mud and desperately needs a shot in the arm (no pun intended).

Look at Tyrone Nurse, he'll soon by 42-0 just like Mayweather and not even faced a proper eight round level opponent yet!
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Techno89 wrote:I agree he's just not ready to fight anyone at the top level (But he does look a good prospect for the future)
The reason I would advise Fury to take his time is because I can't see him beating either of the Klitschko brothers. Vitali will probably retire next year (or at the latest 2013) & Wladimir could conceivably go on for another 5 years (until he's 40 - and maybe beyond that if he keeps himself in good nick).

If Fury fights either of the Klitschkos within the next 12-18 months, he would become the proverbial "lamb to the slaughter" because he just isn't ready for them.
The thing about it is even if Tyson Fury beat top contenders (Adamek, Povetkin, Chambers, Arreola) he still would NOT be ready for either of the Klitschkos, they are just waaay ahead of everyone else (now that David Haye is gone).

A fight between Tyson & Wlad/Vitali would be great for the Ukrainians, it would be another challenger to their combined record,
but for Tyson ist would be bad because he would lose more thna his unbeaten record.

It means that if Tuyson does dominate the Heavyweight Division after the Klitchskos leave, people will just say: "oh, he's only on top because the brothers aint here no more".

Bottom line is: Tyson Fury should only fight the Klitschskos when he is ready: And by that I mean he tightens up his defence, and lerans to use his jab effectively to create distance between him and his opponent.
Going into the ring for a brawl is well & fine as a backup plan, but it's not sustainable as a long-term career strategy.
:shame:

And actually, I would give the same advice to David Price.
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Fury (for the time being) should be looking at:
Sam Sexton
John McDermott
Martin Rogan
Tom Dallas
Richard Towers
Zack Page

Well there's 6 fights for him for the next 18 months - just keep defending his British & Commonwealth titles...
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Crease wrote:Fury (for the time being) should be looking at:
Sam Sexton
John McDermott
Martin Rogan
Tom Dallas
Richard Towers
Zack Page

Well there's 6 fights for him for the next 18 months - just keep defending his British & Commonwealth titles...
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huh ? :roll:
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Crease wrote:Fury (for the time being) should be looking at:
Sam Sexton
John McDermott
Martin Rogan
Tom Dallas
Richard Towers
Zack Page

Well there's 6 fights for him for the next 18 months - just keep defending his British & Commonwealth titles...
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Woah, backwards steps. Tyson Fury should be looking at fighting those boxers ranked around him. Maybe someone like Franklin Lawrence, Maurice Harris, Michael Grant, Monte Barrett, etc.
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Fury fought McDermott at a ridiculous stage in his career, and lost the fight.

Since then his fights have been pretty sensible.
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