Haye's Career.

[smcb80]

he's just an old bore now. talking as much drivel as always. exactly what sort of film career does he think he's going to have?

[Cyclops]

Chris Byrd was a blown-up light-heavy who beat Vitali. Wlad killed him. He has nothing to do with David Haye.

Wlad's best win is difficult to say. I'd probably go with the first Peter fight.

Well, I was saying that despite all the stick Haye was probably Wlad's best win, then I corrected myself and said maybe Byrd was better, as despite his small size he was a decent boxer. So I'm not allowed to use comparisons with other guys who fought common opponents in a boxing discussion? That has nothing to do with anything? Well that's interesting because I thought a decent discussion about a boxer would be better illustrated by comparisons with other boxers. By the way he wasn't a blown up light heavy. He was a career heavyweight with some wins over some good names who was small and dropped down to light heavy at the end of his career, which was a mistake because I believe he got knocked out. But you should know that from when you just Googled him, right? What makes you think Peter was better?

Edit: I suppose he knocked Wlad down. Does that make him a better scalp, though?

[kamicazze]

Haye's Legacy could have been a whole lot better that's for sure. He was very inactive following his beating of Enzo. Had he faced Chris Byrd in this period, Shannon briggs, A holyfield, and a James Toney all of whom are fighters who could have arguably been cruisers then he would have looked good and his record would look very good in the long term.
At the end of the day, given a choice of watching a career set of a Lennox Lewis or a David Haye, I believe i would choose Haye's one just for excitement sake

[Karl Jade]

Chris Byrd was a blown-up light-heavy who beat Vitali. Wlad killed him. He has nothing to do with David Haye.

Wlad's best win is difficult to say. I'd probably go with the first Peter fight.

Well, I was saying that despite all the stick Haye was probably Wlad's best win, then I corrected myself and said maybe Byrd was better, as despite his small size he was a decent boxer. So I'm not allowed to use comparisons with other guys who fought common opponents in a boxing discussion? That has nothing to do with anything? Well that's interesting because I thought a decent discussion about a boxer would be better illustrated by comparisons with other boxers. By the way he wasn't a blown up light heavy. He was a career heavyweight with some wins over some good names who was small and dropped down to light heavy at the end of his career, which was a mistake because I believe he got knocked out. But you should know that from when you just Googled him, right? What makes you think Peter was better?

Edit: I suppose he knocked Wlad down. Does that make him a better scalp, though?

Byrd started his career at super-middle/LHW actually. You should have known that.

At his best, Sam Peter had power, speed and good head movement. Wlad did very well to win the first fight. It was perhaps the night his career changed trajectory.

[crusader]

Haye's Legacy could have been a whole lot better that's for sure. He was very inactive following his beating of Enzo. Had he faced Chris Byrd in this period, Shannon briggs, A holyfield, and a James Toney all of whom are fighters who could have arguably been cruisers then he would have looked good and his record would look very good in the long term.
At the end of the day, given a choice of watching a career set of a Lennox Lewis or a David Haye, I believe i would choose Haye's one just for excitement sake

How many exciting bouts did Haye have? A lot if you think that early blowouts are exciting, but Lewis has plenty of those as well and at a higher level (Ruddock, Grant, Botha, Golota, etc).

[Karl Jade]

Anyone who would choose Haye's career obviously hasn't seen much of Lennox Lewis, who had lots of very entertaining fights. I only remember one Lewis fight being remotely tedious to watch - the Tua UD. Mind you, that was like watching the epic Holyfield - Bowe fight compared to Haye - Valuev.

[Cyclops]

Byrd started his career at super-middle/LHW actually. You should have known that.

At his best, Sam Peter had power, speed and good head movement. Wlad did very well to win the first fight. It was perhaps the night his career changed trajectory.

You just looked him up on Boxrec, right?

So I can do, too. in his 41 fight career, he fought his first three fights at either light heavy or cruiser before moving up to heavyweight in his 4th pro boxing match. He's got wins against pretty good names like Vitali Klitschko (Vitali WAS winning but quit due to injury. Did you know that? ), Evander Holyfield, David Tua, picking up the IBF and WBO heavyweight titles along the way. He also fought, but lost to, Wladamir Klitschko, Ike Ibeachuchi and Alexander Povetkin.

And he fought at light heavy TWICE. Once in his first fight, and then once when he was at the tail end of his career, he was too big to be a natural light heavy and it was too big a drop for him so he got his arse handed to him because of it.

I maintain he was better than a prime Sam Peter, whose best win is blown up middleweight James Toney.

[Karl Jade]

I alluded to him being a natural LH yesterday, so figure that one out for yourself. Don't project your ignorance onto those of us who took a keen interest in the HW division before the emergence of David 'most explosive fighter on the planet' Haye.

[Finn]

Chris Byrd was a blown-up light-heavy who beat Vitali. Wlad killed him. He has nothing to do with David Haye.

Wlad's best win is difficult to say. I'd probably go with the first Peter fight.

Byrd didnt really beat vitali though did he? he just struck lucky and won on a technicality.

[Karl Jade]

Nothing lucky about taking a near-prime Vitali Klitschko's punches for 9 rounds. Byrd showed lots of heart, in contrast with Vitali.

He deserved his win on those grounds.

[Finn]

Nothing lucky about taking a near-prime Vitali Klitschko's punches for 9 rounds. Byrd showed lots of heart, in contrast with Vitali.

He deserved his win on those grounds.

dont be stupid you deserve to win if you are doing something in the ring to beat the opponent not getting punched about. Vitali tore his rotator cuff otherwise he would have ended up koing byrd. That means byrd got a lucky win.

[keithmoonhangover]

Nothing lucky about taking a near-prime Vitali Klitschko's punches for 9 rounds. Byrd showed lots of heart, in contrast with Vitali.

He deserved his win on those grounds.

I haven't been on this thread for a few days and you're still talking bollocks Karl.

[ALI]

Nothing lucky about taking a near-prime Vitali Klitschko's punches for 9 rounds. Byrd showed lots of heart, in contrast with Vitali.

He deserved his win on those grounds.

Thats the most moronic thing i've read on these forums, and thats saying something!

[Karl Jade]

So he didn't deserve the win because Vitali got injured?

Load of nonsense. Vitali quit when confronted with a bit of pain. Byrd was confronted with it the whole fight and kept on fighting.

[Finn]

So he didn't deserve the win because Vitali got injured?

Load of nonsense. Vitali quit when confronted with a bit of pain. Byrd was confronted with it the whole fight and kept on fighting.

i think maybe you should consider posting on the current scene instead you write a hell of a lot of tripe.

If he had carried on the fight he could have damaged the tendons so severely he would have never been able to box again.

[Karl Jade]

And that makes Byrd's victory any less legitemate? Vitali fought for 7 rounds with the injury, it simply got too bad and he quit. Yes, Byrd was fortunate, but he contributed to his good fortune with a typical gutsy performance and deserved the win. Just like Lewis deserved his victory over VK by causing an injury.

[Finn]

And that makes Byrd's victory any less legitemate? Vitali fought for 7 rounds with the injury, it simply got too bad and he quit. Yes, Byrd was fortunate, but he contributed to his good fortune with a typical gutsy performance and deserved the win. Just like Lewis deserved his victory over VK by causing an injury.

Stop writing Karl. Vitali didnt tear his rotator cuff from being hit, lewis tore vitalis face open with a punch. Do you think Chad Dawson won the other night too?

[Karl Jade]

Dawson fouled Hopkins, so the 2 situations are obviously incomparable.

Direct quote from Vitali: "I felt sharp pain when Byrd landed a punch near my shoulder."

Wake up.

[dr_devious]

Hayes career can be summed up thus; great cruiserweight, very good but not great heavyweight

[Finn]

Dawson fouled Hopkins, so the 2 situations are obviously incomparable.

Direct quote from Vitali: "I felt sharp pain when Byrd landed a punch near my shoulder."

Wake up.

you cant tear 3 or 4 tendons in your shoulder from being punched, being the straw that broke the camels back doesnt make you a winner and regardless of what vitali said im pretty sure he did it throwing a punch at byrd (maybe you could watch the fight and let me know). Vitali chose to quit to avoid jepordising his boxing career. If he was a quiter he would have bailed when fighting Lewis.

If you want to count it as byrd doing something special in the ring rather than a forfeit win thats up to your own deluded self.

[Cyclops]

I alluded to him being a natural LH yesterday, so figure that one out for yourself. Don't project your ignorance onto those of us who took a keen interest in the HW division before the emergence of David 'most explosive fighter on the planet' Haye.

You "alluded" to him being a "blown up light heavyweight" who got "killed" by Wlad which is pretty dismissive of a good fighter who I just happened to mention in discussion about David Haye. It's also the typical stupid thing people say about Chris Byrd when they don't know much about him, that he was just a "blown up light heavyweight" because the most recent thing he did that caught people's attention was drop down to LH, which shocked everyone because we thought he was a cruiserweight maybe, but LH was a real drop. And it was too much. He admitted it himself. And he lost. He was too big to be a Light Heavyweight, he was a small heavyweight who managed to hang with and beat some very big men.

So that's why I know you went on Boxrec to look up his record so that you could look like you knew about him. I actually checked his record on Boxrec before I made the "career light heavyweight" comment but thought I'd throw it in anyway just so you'd have to do some research to continue to try and get one over on me.

And that's why you went on Youtube and watched his fight with Vitali so you can talk with "authority" about it now. I notice that you're certainly talking about him with more reverence.

So I guess it's good that I got you to do some homework (on top of the homework you get at school) and, if you keep it up, you will maybe be able to have a sensible well informed discussion about boxing some day instead of being a douchebag troll.

Here's a that you love so much. Later on, dude. We're done. Good luck with your GCSE's!

[Karl Jade]

I've been defending byrd for the last few posts. If anything the reference to him being a natural LHW is a credit to his work at HW, not a dimissal. You've just ran out of things to say.

And yes, he did get killed by Wlad, good fighter or not.

[keithmoonhangover]

I've been defending byrd for the last few posts. If anything the reference to him being a natural LHW is a credit to his work at HW, not a dimissal. You've just ran out of things to say.

And yes, he did get killed by Wlad, good fighter or not.

How old are you Karl? You never did answer that question.

[dondada]

BoxRec News' Ginger Assassin, Paul Foley, offers his take on Haye's career:

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/david- ... d-and-ugly