http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/ ... efault.stm
Anybody had a go at this - its a list of post war legends so you can do a P4P top 10.
Here was mine, might bring up some debate.
1) Sugar Ray Leonard
2) Sugar Ray Robinson
3) Muhammad Ali
4) Archie Moore
5) Sandy Saddler
6) Willei Pep
7) Roberto Duran
8) Eder Jofre
9) Marvin Hagler
10) Ricardo Lopez.
Very unlucky - Galaxy, Roy Jones Jnr (should be there), JC Chavez, Arguello and Holmes.
BBC's Legends selector.
I started my list a few day's ago, got to number two, and saw there was no Henry Armstrong. I closed the window and didn't bother finishing. 
Here's a quick list from what they have:
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Roberto Duran
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Sandy Sadler
8. Archie Moore
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Alexis Arguello
I did say quick.
You can't have Leonard at number one, he was a complete tart. He demanded a smaller ring, and only 12 rounds against Hagler. He demanded a catch weight against Donny Lalonde. He acted like a pudendum towards Hagler when he retired in the ring. Not my cup of tea at all.
I was gonna put Hearns above him, but I thought I might look a little to biased.
Here's a quick list from what they have:
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Roberto Duran
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Sandy Sadler
8. Archie Moore
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Alexis Arguello
I did say quick.
You can't have Leonard at number one, he was a complete tart. He demanded a smaller ring, and only 12 rounds against Hagler. He demanded a catch weight against Donny Lalonde. He acted like a pudendum towards Hagler when he retired in the ring. Not my cup of tea at all.
I was gonna put Hearns above him, but I thought I might look a little to biased.
I've changed my list - realise I might have overated Jofre a bit. So I have replaced Jofre with RJJ. I put Roy at 8, with Hagler and Lopez completing the line up.
I know I am in the huge minority with my ranking of Leonard - but he was my kind of fighter. He used psychology/gamesmanship/politics out of the ring to assist against physically demanding foes. Nothing wrong with that if the opponent (and in both Lanlonde and Hagler's cases the champion) agrees with that.
He was a master boxer who in my opinion had the greatest punch form I have known. He had the in born ability to know when he was in range and he had some huge stones on him when he was in the ring.
He made a few mistakes, like leaving Dundee prior to the Hearns rematch - a fight I think he would have won easily if he hadn't have had his arguments with the trainer and when to Correra. The fight anyway is alot closer than he is given credit for - Hearns did very little between 6-10 and the 12 and 5th rounds could easily have been 10-8 Leonard rounds.
I know I am in the huge minority with my ranking of Leonard - but he was my kind of fighter. He used psychology/gamesmanship/politics out of the ring to assist against physically demanding foes. Nothing wrong with that if the opponent (and in both Lanlonde and Hagler's cases the champion) agrees with that.
He was a master boxer who in my opinion had the greatest punch form I have known. He had the in born ability to know when he was in range and he had some huge stones on him when he was in the ring.
He made a few mistakes, like leaving Dundee prior to the Hearns rematch - a fight I think he would have won easily if he hadn't have had his arguments with the trainer and when to Correra. The fight anyway is alot closer than he is given credit for - Hearns did very little between 6-10 and the 12 and 5th rounds could easily have been 10-8 Leonard rounds.
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Lefthookhappy19
- Heavyweight
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Lopez shouldn't be that high. Fact is, despite his great record and skills, he never really took any challenges. He was comfortable defending his title and never moved up to find any challenges. His opposition just doesn't stand up to most everyone else's on the list. Even Roy Jones's who people critisize.
Leonard shouldn't be above Duran imo and Ezzard Charles was a greater fighter than Moore, who I think even beat him 2 out of 3 times or something. No Armstrong??
Leonard shouldn't be above Duran imo and Ezzard Charles was a greater fighter than Moore, who I think even beat him 2 out of 3 times or something. No Armstrong??
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jamesmcdonnell
- Heavyweight
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- Joined: 12 Nov 2003, 06:11
More fool Hagler for agreeing, he could have told Leonard to go fornicate himself, same goes for LaLonde.BOLLOCKS1984 wrote:I started my list a few day's ago, got to number two, and saw there was no Henry Armstrong. I closed the window and didn't bother finishing.
Here's a quick list from what they have:
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Roberto Duran
4. Ezzard Charles
5. Joe Louis
6. Willie Pep
7. Sandy Sadler
8. Archie Moore
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Alexis Arguello
I did say quick.
You can't have Leonard at number one, he was a complete tart. He demanded a smaller ring, and only 12 rounds against Hagler. He demanded a catch weight against Donny Lalonde. He acted like a pudendum towards Hagler when he retired in the ring. Not my cup of tea at all.
I was gonna put Hearns above him, but I thought I might look a little to biased.
On achievement, Leonard is up there with the best of them.
I was a massive Hagler fan back then, and hated Leonard for what he did to Marvin, and for what happened to the titles, but you've got to say, for Leonard to come out of retirement and even live with Marvin was phenomenal.
Everyone goes on about how Marvin was slipping, but Leonard was also past his prime and was never a true middleweight. Hagler might have struggled a little with Mugabi, but he finished Mugabi in that fight, he was never the same again.