Just a little something for you Ordinary Harrison Fans

eastmountpicko · Post by **eastmountpicko** » 31 Jul 2005, 15:32

Samuel Peter and Calvin Brock started their pro boxing careers 3 months before Ordinary Harrison and look who they are fighting now. Peter has a fight with Wladimir Klitschko lined up and Brock is in talks with fighting Vitali Klitschko. Get real Ordinary you have no arse.

Hesketh Vampire · Post by **Hesketh Vampire** » 31 Jul 2005, 15:44

That my son is tantamount to trolling given the regular Audley "chats" on this board.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 31 Jul 2005, 15:46

Stop quoting allegedly

jameswilson · Post by **jameswilson** » 31 Jul 2005, 16:27

Audley has spent over a year out with injury.

And Brock isnt in talks with Klitschko at all, Vitali has to fight the winner of Rahman v Barret.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 01 Aug 2005, 03:36

jameswilson wrote:Audley has spent over a year out with injury.

And Brock isnt in talks with Klitschko at all, Vitali has to fight the winner of Rahman v Barret.

Talks apparently did take place, maybe Brock-Klitschko isnt happening but in a way even the talks between the two camps underlines Audleys Harrisons poor progress

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 01 Aug 2005, 05:39

I'll say it one more time. Audley has been injured and because of this his career schedule has been put back, by about 9-12 months

I can't see why this is so difficult for people some people to grasp

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 01 Aug 2005, 05:53

I don’t usually post on Harrison threads. It’s a subject that I’m just not interested in anymore. Like someone else said on here I’ll start paying attention if/when he actually starts doing something.

But…

If we accept that his career is 12 months behind schedule, is the trajectory of his career that of someone who would be ready to fight a final eliminator or final eliminator calibre opponents by summer 2006?

Surely he’d have a very very steep increase of the quality of his opponents to be fighting top competition by next year. Let’s say he fights 4 times between now and then (I know, I know but let’s say it for arguments sake) who would be the most sensible four opponents to take Aud from Wiggins to Vitali giving him the best preparation but fewest scares along the way?

J · Post by J » 01 Aug 2005, 05:57

in order
1. bowe
2. williams
3. sam
4. brock / peter

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Aug 2005, 06:22

Considering that Samuel Peter's best win is over Jeremy 'half-man half-porcelain' Williams, I find it laughable that people are writing Audley off for a title shot.

All he needs is 3-4 creditable wins and he's right up there, the heavyweight division is crying out for a recognisable face, and Audley has far better skills than most other heavyweights out there.

Whether he has the chin, heart, stamina or power to accompany it, remains to be seen, but I give him a genuine shot, even now, of winning a title.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 01 Aug 2005, 06:43

Is Audley really going to be that much better this time next year? Look at the workrate the other guys can put in compared to him.

The guy has skills but NO engine, and if he hasn't got it by the age of 34 then you can forget about world titles in the future.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 01 Aug 2005, 07:04

I think he'll be in a position to fight a final eliminator by the Summer of 2006.

August 2005: Wiggins
October 2005: Sykes, Cley-Bey
December 2005: Guinn, McCline, Briggs
March 2006: Johnson, Sam,
May 2006: Krasniqi, Barrett, Brock, Peter

HW CHampion of the World August/September 2006

Something along those lines

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 01 Aug 2005, 07:24

McCline could be the big stumbling block there, McCline has shown he can fight hard when needed, and though his stamina is suspect, he is big and can whack hard. Audley would really need to keep focussed against McCline.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 01 Aug 2005, 07:31

When considering audley my expectations are high, i dont compare his progress with other undefeated heavyweight prospects. Granted he has been injured for 12 months and he definitely has a chance to get to a world title shot but i always have the famous 'ill be british champ in 5 fights' quote as well as many more boastful remarks from audley stuck in my head, maybe i have been expecting too much from him.

Shirow · Post by **Shirow** » 01 Aug 2005, 09:27

Chambers2 wrote:I think he'll be in a position to fight a final eliminator by the Summer of 2006.

August 2005: Wiggins
October 2005: Sykes, Cley-Bey
December 2005: Guinn, McCline, Briggs
March 2006: Johnson, Sam,
May 2006: Krasniqi, Barrett, Brock, Peter

HW CHampion of the World August/September 2006

Something along those lines

That's reasonable but it highlights my point

1 Lisandro Ezequial
2 Brian Nix
3 Julius Francis
4 Thomasz Bonin
5 Robert Davis

6 Robert Wiggins
7 Cley-Bey
8 McCLine
9 Sam
10 Peter

The graph takes a sharp upward turn when it comes to his imagined future and makes virtually all of his previous fights look like he was just treading water.

If he continues on his current trajectory there is no way he'll be facing a McCline or Guinn by the end of this year.

Perhaps he'll surprise us and suddenly step it up consistently once he believes he's finally ready.

I hope so.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 01 Aug 2005, 10:41

Peters manager has called out Audley on SO

Lets get it on!!!!!

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 01 Aug 2005, 10:43

Chambers2 wrote: HW CHampion of the World August/September 2006

Yup, the WBF-title vs "All American Cocksucker" Calloway

Regarding his health he should not fight Sam. That would be the end of his career. He could fight vs Andi Sidon for the WBB-title. I know Andi a little bit and he doesn´t fear Harrison. I see another 2 hands of german based boxers who would be greedy to fight Harrison..........Harrison would get beaten by Vidoz who has a big heart. this the most important thing Harrison is missing........Just wait for the next "injurry"

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 01 Aug 2005, 10:54

Shirow wrote:
Chambers2 wrote:I think he'll be in a position to fight a final eliminator by the Summer of 2006.

August 2005: Wiggins
October 2005: Sykes, Cley-Bey
December 2005: Guinn, McCline, Briggs
March 2006: Johnson, Sam,
May 2006: Krasniqi, Barrett, Brock, Peter

HW CHampion of the World August/September 2006

Something along those lines
That's reasonable but it highlights my point

1 Lisandro Ezequial
2 Brian Nix
3 Julius Francis
4 Thomasz Bonin
5 Robert Davis

6 Robert Wiggins
7 Cley-Bey
8 McCLine
9 Sam
10 Peter

The graph takes a sharp upward turn when it comes to his imaguned future and makes virtually all of his previous fights look like he was just treading water.

If he continues on his current trajectory there is no way he'll be facing a McCline or Guinn by the end of this year.

Perhaps he'll surprise us and suddenly step it up consistently once he believes he's finally ready.

I hope so.

I disagree about his current trajectory, look at Peter and Brocks records and you'll see that thay made similar progressions

Brocks
fight 19 Vedder 23-22-5
fight 20 Berry 8-3-1
fight 21 Terry Smith 20-0-1
fight 22 Williams 16-7
fight 23 Martin 16-45-8
fight 24 Etienne 29-2-2
fight 25 McCline 31-4-3
fight 26 Kenny Craven 26-15
fight 27 (possible title shot next)

I'd put Terry Smith on a similar kind of level to Wiggins, with Davis just behind them. Brocks next meaningful fight after Smith was against Etienne then McCline

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 01 Aug 2005, 11:08

Trajectory-wise, there's a bit of an issue in that there are an awful lot of very average guys and not a whole lot who would realistically be seen as upward curve people. This has always been the case but the situation is especially acute now. And given the 'stepping stone' fighters are themselves probably not that keen to face guys they don't really need to, getting a steep and consistent curve is going to be very, very difficult.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 01 Aug 2005, 11:11

Coconut wrote:Trajectory-wise, there's a bit of an issue in that there are an awful lot of very average guys and not a whole lot who would realistically be seen as upward curve people. This has always been the case but the situation is especially acute now. And given the 'stepping stone' fighters are themselves probably not that keen to face guys they don't really need to, getting a steep and consistent curve is going to be very, very difficult.

I agree that it could be difficult for Audley to get the opponents he wants and needs at the correct time. Peter and Brock have had to take steps back in class to keep active

J · Post by J » 01 Aug 2005, 11:16

BubiScholz wrote:
Chambers2 wrote: HW CHampion of the World August/September 2006
Yup, the WBF-title vs "All American Cocksucker" Calloway

Regarding his health he should not fight Sam. That would be the end of his career. He could fight vs Andi Sidon for the WBB-title. I know Andi a little bit and he doesn´t fear Harrison. I see another 2 hands of german based boxers who would be greedy to fight Harrison..........Harrison would get beaten by Vidoz who has a big heart. this the most important thing Harrison is missing........Just wait for the next "injurry"

but harrison already beat (and beat up)vidoz in the amatuers so how can you so sure he would fail in the pro's?

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 01 Aug 2005, 11:17

Because we're talking 12 rounds now J.

J · Post by J » 01 Aug 2005, 11:23

even so, i wouldnt be so sure that vidoz would be Aud, he is pretty limited.

Kilburn · Post by **Kilburn** » 01 Aug 2005, 11:36

Maybe not Vidoz but when you look at how hard Brock works now for example you start to reaslise how far behind Audley still is.

The only reason he's not had the shock of his life as a pro boxer is because he's never allowed himself to face anyone who doesn't visibly lack in either size or conditioning.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 01 Aug 2005, 11:38

J wrote:even so, i wouldnt be so sure that vidoz would be Aud, he is pretty limited.

yes, but he has a lion´s heart and a strong will. he was told on tuesday evening, unprepared, to fight on Saturday for the European title. He was fighting for his life, unbelievable. And he is the firts one whoknocked Hoffmann down. Vitali and Luan weren´t able......Harrison was the better amateur, but there are 50-100 actual fighters in professional Heavyweight who just perform better...I think his boxrec-ranking is about 60 or something and that´s not irreal....He should immideately fight a guy like Whitaker or McCline to reach the top 20-30 and that the rest of the world takes him seriuos. actually he is a caricature of himself and he does everything to make it worse with his comments.....

Coconut · Post by **Coconut** » 01 Aug 2005, 11:48

Well, his lion's heart didn't hold up too well in the Olympics.

Mark Krence put up a good show on late notice as well. He doesn't beat Audley.

The sad thing is that Vidoz is a big lump, but really just a bread-and-butter guy, and there's a consensus that he has a good chance against an Olympic champion with five years' pro experience.

For the record, I think Audley does Vidoz, but only if he sorts out his stamina. Do Audley and Junior Witter do their roadwork together?