Just a little something for you Ordinary Harrison Fans

[Chambers2]

even so, i wouldnt be so sure that vidoz would be Aud, he is pretty limited.

yes, but he has a lion´s heart and a strong will. he was told on tuesday evening, unprepared, to fight on Saturday for the European title. He was fighting for his life, unbelievable. And he is the firts one whoknocked Hoffmann down. Vitali and Luan weren´t able......Harrison was the better amateur, but there are 50-100 actual fighters in professional Heavyweight who just perform better...I think his boxrec-ranking is about 60 or something and that´s not irreal....He should immideately fight a guy like Whitaker or McCline to reach the top 20-30 and that the rest of the world takes him seriuos. actually he is a caricature of himself and he does everything to make it worse with his comments.....

Absolute drivel as always

What comments are these Bubi?

Vidoz's only win against a recognised opponent since turning pro is a split decision over Hoffmann and lets face it Hoffmann is extremely 1 dimensional.

Audley is 2-3 fights away from a McCline type fight, so just "chill yourself out Bubi" 8)

[BubiScholz]

even so, i wouldnt be so sure that vidoz would be Aud, he is pretty limited.

yes, but he has a lion´s heart and a strong will. he was told on tuesday evening, unprepared, to fight on Saturday for the European title. He was fighting for his life, unbelievable. And he is the firts one whoknocked Hoffmann down. Vitali and Luan weren´t able......Harrison was the better amateur, but there are 50-100 actual fighters in professional Heavyweight who just perform better...I think his boxrec-ranking is about 60 or something and that´s not irreal....He should immideately fight a guy like Whitaker or McCline to reach the top 20-30 and that the rest of the world takes him seriuos. actually he is a caricature of himself and he does everything to make it worse with his comments.....

Absolute drivel as always

What comments are these Bubi?

Vidoz's only win against a recognised opponent since turning pro is a split decision over Hoffmann and lets face it Hoffmann is extremely 1 dimensional.

Audley is 2-3 fights away from a McCline type fight, so just "chill yourself out Bubi" 8)

you can read it on the other Harrison-thread. I don´t repeat myself again. boxrec world would be empty without a weekly Harrison-thread.

[Hesketh Vampire]

That my son is tantamount to trolling given the regular Audley "chats" on this board.

What did I say? Look what this guy has started!

[lvlarc]

I think he'll be in a position to fight a final eliminator by the Summer of 2006.

August 2005: Wiggins
October 2005: Sykes, Cley-Bey
December 2005: Guinn, McCline, Briggs
March 2006: Johnson, Sam,
May 2006: Krasniqi, Barrett, Brock, Peter

HW CHampion of the World August/September 2006

Something along those lines

Bit optimistic aren't we :)

[Chambers2]

yes, but he has a lion´s heart and a strong will. he was told on tuesday evening, unprepared, to fight on Saturday for the European title. He was fighting for his life, unbelievable. And he is the firts one whoknocked Hoffmann down. Vitali and Luan weren´t able......Harrison was the better amateur, but there are 50-100 actual fighters in professional Heavyweight who just perform better...I think his boxrec-ranking is about 60 or something and that´s not irreal....He should immideately fight a guy like Whitaker or McCline to reach the top 20-30 and that the rest of the world takes him seriuos. actually he is a caricature of himself and he does everything to make it worse with his comments.....

Absolute drivel as always

What comments are these Bubi?

Vidoz's only win against a recognised opponent since turning pro is a split decision over Hoffmann and lets face it Hoffmann is extremely 1 dimensional.

Audley is 2-3 fights away from a McCline type fight, so just "chill yourself out Bubi" 8)

you can read it on the other Harrison-thread. I don´t repeat myself again. boxrec world would be empty without a weekly Harrison-thread.

I still can't find these comments that you mention on the other thread. Have you dreamt them?

[jamesmcdonnell]

The truth is this, most heavyweights who go on to become contenders or champions, have fought a long procession of stiffs, who are used as a live heavy bag to work things out on, and at some stage, they take a big step up in class.

Take Lennox Lewis as an example. He fought all the usual suspects on the way up. Ossie Ocasio, Noel Quarless, and a host of other trial horses, then took a huge step up against Gary Mason, who although in hindsight we can say is limited, was a genuine world ranked fighter with prospects who was also a massive puncher and undefeated. Interestingly, Mason's own record was filled with absolute dross on the whole.

Admittedly, Lewis tore through his early tests with some style, though at the time he was torn to pieces by many in the boxing establishment. Harry Mullan's famous line springs to mind about how Lewis 'fought with all the ill intent and intensity of a washerwoman' or something along those lines.

A heavyweight commodity is so valuable, that it is extremely rare to see one engage in a seriously meaningful contest until they are within arm's reach of a title shot, and even then only if absolutely neccesary.

[Chambers2]

The truth is this, most heavyweights who go on to become contenders or champions, have fought a long procession of stiffs, who are used as a live heavy bag to work things out on, and at some stage, they take a big step up in class.

Take Lennox Lewis as an example. He fought all the usual suspects on the way up. Ossie Ocasio, Noel Quarless, and a host of other trial horses, then took a huge step up against Gary Mason, who although in hindsight we can say is limited, was a genuine world ranked fighter with prospects who was also a massive puncher and undefeated. Interestingly, Mason's own record was filled with absolute dross on the whole.

Admittedly, Lewis tore through his early tests with some style, though at the time he was torn to pieces by many in the boxing establishment. Harry Mullan's famous line springs to mind about how Lewis 'fought with all the ill intent and intensity of a washerwoman' or something along those lines.

A heavyweight commodity is so valuable, that it is extremely rare to see one engage in a seriously meaningful contest until they are within arm's reach of a title shot, and even then only if absolutely neccesary.

Exactamundo, good post.

virtually all prospects fight a number of 'stiffs' then step it up around about the 20 fight mark, Audley is no different

[BubiScholz]

Absolute drivel as always

What comments are these Bubi?

Vidoz's only win against a recognised opponent since turning pro is a split decision over Hoffmann and lets face it Hoffmann is extremely 1 dimensional.

Audley is 2-3 fights away from a McCline type fight, so just "chill yourself out Bubi" 8)

you can read it on the other Harrison-thread. I don´t repeat myself again. boxrec world would be empty without a weekly Harrison-thread.

I still can't find these comments that you mention on the other thread. Have you dreamt them?

You are fornicating blind because your head is sticking in Harrison´s ass.

British Olympic ring king Harrison aims to "Wigg" out

July 26, 2005
SAN JOSE, United States (AFP) - "Unbeaten British heavyweight Audley Harrison continues his march toward a title bid here on August 18 against American Robert Wiggins, promoters announced.

Harrison, Olympic champion in 2000, is 18-0 with 13 knockouts while Wiggins, 20-4 with one drawn and 12 knockouts, has never suffered a knockout loss.

"Robert Wiggins is a tough opponent and my intention is simply to be the first man to stop him within the distance," Harrison said.

"This fight is extremely important to my career as it will show people how and why I won an Olympic gold medal and show the rest of the world champions that I am the future of the heavyweight division.

"You can expect fireworks."

Wiggins lost decisions to US heavyweight title contenders Monte Barrett and DaVarryl Williamson, but fought the former on only four days' notice and broke the latter's jaw.

"My experience and guts will overwhelm Audley Harrison," Wiggins predicted. "He has yet to face anyone with my abilities and determination and the fight I plan to give him in the ring will be too much for him to handle."

Harrison - who was criticised in his first series of bouts in England following his Olympic victory because of the low quality of his opponents - has not fought since June 9 when he stopped American Robert Davis in the seventh round."



So let´s wait for the fireworks!!!!!!!!

I think Vitali, Ruiz, Byrd and Brewster are scared now....

That´s it with Harrison....

[Chambers2]

"Robert Wiggins is a tough opponent and my intention is simply to be the first man to stop him within the distance," Harrison said.

"This fight is extremely important to my career as it will show people how and why I won an Olympic gold medal and show the rest of the world champions that I am the future of the heavyweight division.

"You can expect fireworks."

I fail to see how comments like the ones above turn you against a boxer, virtually all boxers hype up their forthcoming contests and themselves.

Unless its because you choose to criticise everything he does, irrespective if its good or bad

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yes, what is Harrison supposed to say?

"Truth is. Wiggins is a real pigeon, he's not even going to try and win, I'm going to piss all over him. I just need this tune up, I've been out a while

If I were you, I wouldn't buy a ticket, it's going to be so one-sided it's untrue, and with all the ring rust, chances are I won't stop him either.

Get back to me in 3 fights when I might actually be in with a live body, this one's going to be a stinker."

[Kilburn]

Exactamundo, good post.

virtually all prospects fight a number of 'stiffs' then step it up around about the 20 fight mark, Audley is no different

Except of course that while other prospects look impressive Audley looks anything but, apart from in very rare flashes.

Even in the early days (when Audley's stamina was on a par with Bob Sapp) the A-Force faithful recognised that the only reason Harrison might win a major belt was because all the top guys had reached the end. Well guess what they haven't, Vitali is still here, Rahman is still here, Ruiz is still here, you've got Brewster, Toney, Byrd, Krasniqi, Peter, Brock, Tua, Vladimir plus a few more.. ALL these guys would dismantle Audley.

The heavyweight division today might not be great but it was never going to become so bad that a fighter with such a mediocre fitness level as Audley could become king of the world. No bloody way.

[Chambers2]

Exactamundo, good post.

virtually all prospects fight a number of 'stiffs' then step it up around about the 20 fight mark, Audley is no different

Except of course that while other prospects look impressive Audley looks anything but, apart from in very rare flashes.

Even in the early days (when Audley's stamina was on a par with Bob Sapp) the A-Force faithful recognised that the only reason Harrison might win a major belt was because all the top guys had reached the end. Well guess what they haven't, Vitali is still here, Rahman is still here, Ruiz is still here, you've got Brewster, Toney, Byrd, Krasniqi, Peter, Brock, Tua, Vladimir plus a few more.. ALL these guys would dismantle Audley.

The heavyweight division today might not be great but it was never going to become so bad that a fighter with such a mediocre fitness level as Audley could become king of the world. No bloody way.

I disagree with the majority of your points, but I suppose only time will tell who is right and who is wrong.

[steve689]

I would say that it has been Audley's personal boasts that have alienated a number of fans, if he was quietly getting on with business and removing these stiffs then all well and good but it is perhaps the contradictory element of his claims that cause the problems. Claiming constantly he will become world champion or this and that prior to announcing another low grade traveller as his next foe is probably what has caused so many of us to become disillusioned with him.

I want to see Audley in a fight i can get excited about, not see him topping the bill on the Mississippi showboat express casino against Danny Wofford 8)

[Chambers2]

I would say that it has been Audley's personal boasts that have alienated a number of fans, if he was quietly getting on with business and removing these stiffs then all well and good but it is perhaps the contradictory element of his claims that cause the problems. Claiming constantly he will become world champion or this and that prior to announcing another low grade traveller as his next foe is probably what has caused so many of us to become disillusioned with him.

I want to see Audley in a fight i can get excited about, not see him topping the bill on the Mississippi showboat express casino against Danny Wofford 8)

I don't understand these 'personal boast' comments, surely every prospect has the right to claim they are going to be World Champion, especially the ones with good amateur records to back up their boasts. The alleged British title in 5 fights comments before he turned pro were daft, but these were over 5 years ago.

Do you think that fighters should be challenging for World titles in their 19th pro fight?

[Kilburn]

Do you think that fighters should be challenging for World titles in their 19th pro fight?

Most fighters probably not, if they're obviously out of their depth. But after 19 fights you expect to see a win on the guys record where he's actually taken some degree of risk.

They've done their homework again with Wiggins, he's yet another fading force who was never that great in his prime.

[Chambers2]

Do you think that fighters should be challenging for World titles in their 19th pro fight?

Most fighters probably not, if they're obviously out of their depth. But after 19 fights you expect to see a win on the guys record where he's actually taken some degree of risk.

They've done their homework again with Wiggins, he's yet another fading force who was never that great in his prime.

Hes a recognised name in the US though and someone who we can use as a yardstick to measure Audleys progress against. If Audley puts on a good performance and/or stops him then it will raise Audleys profile.

Peter, Brock, Guinn and Scott didn't take a risk in their first 19 fights.

[Kilburn]

Good point, although nobody was really expecting a great deal from these guys. Surely we've a right to expect a little more from an Olympic gold medalist if this accolade really does mean something in professional boxing?

Alas, I'm not a hater but I do think that the BBC getting shut of Audley, for not stepping up even at domestic level, was a good thing for boxing in this country. I've said before, most casual observers who ask me about Harrison think he just went off and retired. They may be wrong but at least now that he's no longer a face on tv then people won't be fooled into thinking that this is potentially the best the sport has to offer at heavyweight. Because it's not, nothing like it.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Lennox Lewis was a gold medalist, look at his early victims...

[Chambers2]

Good point, although nobody was really expecting a great deal from these guys. Surely we've a right to expect a little more from an Olympic gold medalist if this accolade really does mean something in professional boxing?

Alas, I'm not a hater but I do think that the BBC getting shut of Audley, for not stepping up even at domestic level, was a good thing for boxing in this country. I've said before, most casual observers who ask me about Harrison think he just went off and retired. They may be wrong but at least now that he's no longer a face on tv then people won't be fooled into thinking that this is potentially the best the sport has to offer at heavyweight. Because it's not, nothing like it.

Unlike the general public we know that an Olympic gold medal doesn't guarentee you fornicate all in pro boxing, I think that so far in Audleys pro career the tag of Olympic champion has been more of a hinderance than an asset, as it has created totally unrealistic expectations and it has put him on a pedestal for everybody to throw whatever they want at him.

The BBC didn't get rid of Audley for not stepping it up at domestic level, they got rid of pro boxing because they regained the Premiership highlights. They never had any intention of backing Audley throughout his career in the first place due to the cost of getting the BIG heavyweight fights, although originally he was expecting to be backed by them for longer than he was.

When Danny and Sprott were signed to the beeb Audley said he wanted to challenge for Dannys British title within the next 6 months and then they both signed for allegedy allegedly (who only signed them to get hinder Audleys progression IMO).

With Sprott, Danny and Skelton signed to Sky how was Audley supposed to step up at domestic level. He instead went down the route of fighting other European undefeated prospects like Bonin and Hersisa (and that other geezer who pulled out and was replaced by Julius), its not the usual route to take and it has its positives and negatives, but Audley is not afraid of doing things out of the norm.

[Kilburn]

Audley had ample oppurtunity to fight his British rivals before allegedy came along but CHOSE to look the other way. That is why he only continued to fight on the Beeb on a fight-by-fight basis. They put pressure on him and he didn't like it. The only British name he was interested in taking on was the 42yr old Frank Bruno - which was a fornicating disgrace.

[stujones]

Audley had ample oppurtunity to fight his British rivals before allegedy came along but CHOSE to look the other way. That is why he only continued to fight on the Beeb on a fight-by-fight basis. They put pressure on him and he didn't like it. The only British name he was interested in taking on was the 42yr old Frank Bruno - which was a fornicating disgrace.

Excellent post and perfectly true - there was Herbie Hide fighting for the BBC aswell.

Michael Sprott I believe was only signed by FW as an "option" cause he was Danny Williams' mandatory so incase Sprott would win (which he did) then he'd have the British champion.

Any ideas who is Sprott's UK promoter now?

[Chambers2]

Audley had ample oppurtunity to fight his British rivals before allegedy came along but CHOSE to look the other way. That is why he only continued to fight on the Beeb on a fight-by-fight basis. They put pressure on him and he didn't like it. The only British name he was interested in taking on was the 42yr old Frank Bruno - which was a fornicating disgrace.

It was early in Audleys career that Sprott and Danny run to Sky , Frank signed them both to tie up the British Heavyweight title and hamper Audleys progress in the process. Herbie was Mr. inconsistency he kept going missing for months on end.

[Kilburn]

Well believe what you want to believe, but Sprott, Danny and Hide have been, and Matt Skelton soon will be, thoroughly shown up in world class company and yet this future world champion has managed to avoid a fight with all of them.

It's not because people don't understand the situation that they are dismissive of Harrison, it's because it's as clear as day the doubts he has about what he can handle in a boxing ring. And with good reason.

[Chambers2]

Well believe what you want to believe, but Sprott, Danny and Hide have been, and Matt Skelton soon will be, thoroughly shown up in world class company and yet this future world champion has managed to avoid a fight with all of them.

It's not because people don't understand the situation that they are dismissive of Harrison, it's because it's as clear as day the doubts he has about what he can handle in a boxing ring. And with good reason.

Morning Kilburn
It couls also be said that Sprott, Danny, Hide and Skelton have avoided clashes with Audley, why is it Audleys fault that these fights haven't happened?. You know as well as I do thats its not as simple as what you make out, when the opposing fighters are all signed for his arch-rivals camp.

We have conflicting opinions on what Audley can handle in the ring, only Time Will Tell who is right

[Kilburn]

Morning Kilburn

Good morning Chambers.

It could also be said that Sprott, Danny, Hide and Skelton have avoided clashes with Audley

I personally find this idea utterly preposterous, when you look at who has and has not called out who.