See the official scorecards for Pacquiao v Marquez

[dondada]

Puzzled?

Well, here you go.

http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/see-of ... -v-marquez

[Glyn Leach]

Well played son, was just wondering what they looked like. Interesting, Trowbridge wasn't 'wrong' on a single round, by which I mean he wasn't out on a limb in any of them, there was always one judge in agreement with him. Scores for the first three rounds surprise me most, I only had Pac winning the first but the judges gave him all of them (Trowbridge) or two out of three (the others)

[boxerbob]

Well played son, was just wondering what they looked like. Interesting, Trowbridge wasn't 'wrong' on a single round, by which I mean he wasn't out on a limb in any of them, there was always one judge in agreement with him. Scores for the first three rounds surprise me most, I only had Pac winning the first but the judges gave him all of them (Trowbridge) or two out of three (the others)

glyn i watched the fight on an hbo stream and harold lederman had manny up 3-1 after 4 with only the 2nd going to marquez

[Glyn Leach]

Well played son, was just wondering what they looked like. Interesting, Trowbridge wasn't 'wrong' on a single round, by which I mean he wasn't out on a limb in any of them, there was always one judge in agreement with him. Scores for the first three rounds surprise me most, I only had Pac winning the first but the judges gave him all of them (Trowbridge) or two out of three (the others)

glyn i watched the fight on an hbo stream and harold lederman had manny up 3-1 after 4 with only the 2nd going to marquez

Then we go to Khan and Ricardo on Primetime, who had Manny 5-1 down after 6. Make what you will of it all but hard to find sense

[boxerbob]

Well played son, was just wondering what they looked like. Interesting, Trowbridge wasn't 'wrong' on a single round, by which I mean he wasn't out on a limb in any of them, there was always one judge in agreement with him. Scores for the first three rounds surprise me most, I only had Pac winning the first but the judges gave him all of them (Trowbridge) or two out of three (the others)

glyn i watched the fight on an hbo stream and harold lederman had manny up 3-1 after 4 with only the 2nd going to marquez

Then we go to Khan and Ricardo on Primetime, who had Manny 5-1 down after 6. Make what you will of it all but hard to find sense

going round the boxing sites i think about 60-70% thought that marquez won , the us press organisations are the ones who saw manny winning , i had it 6-6 but my stream wasnt the best , hopefully i will see the fight tonight when i finish work on a clear video

[Glyn Leach]

glyn i watched the fight on an hbo stream and harold lederman had manny up 3-1 after 4 with only the 2nd going to marquez

Then we go to Khan and Ricardo on Primetime, who had Manny 5-1 down after 6. Make what you will of it all but hard to find sense

I had it 115-113 JMM but wouldn't have argued too much with a draw

going round the boxing sites i think about 60-70% thought that marquez won , the us press organisations are the ones who saw manny winning , i had it 6-6 but my stream wasnt the best , hopefully i will see the fight tonight when i finish work on a clear video

[boxerbob]

glyn i think manny has defo lost something , he has been very very passive in his last 2 fights , i put on another thread that he doesnt seem to get close enough to land his punches anymore.

he needs to get very close to mayweather to have a chance of winning the fight and have a crazy workrate...after these 2 fights i cant see it now

[boxerbob]

taken from the current scene

Various boxing writer's scorecards:

Harold Lederman, HBO: 115-114 Pacquio
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114
Michael Rosenthal, The Ring: 115-113 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, HBO: 116-112 Marquez
Doug Fisher, The Ring: 114-114
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114
Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, Maxboxing.com: 115-113 Marquez

[Glyn Leach]

taken from the current scene

Various boxing writer's scorecards:

Harold Lederman, HBO: 115-114 Pacquio
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114
Michael Rosenthal, The Ring: 115-113 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, HBO: 116-112 Marquez
Doug Fisher, The Ring: 114-114
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114
Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, Maxboxing.com: 115-113 Marquez

Mmm, very mixed then

[boxerbob]

taken from the current scene

Various boxing writer's scorecards:

Harold Lederman, HBO: 115-114 Pacquio
Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114
Michael Rosenthal, The Ring: 115-113 Pacquiao
Eric Raskin, HBO: 116-112 Marquez
Doug Fisher, The Ring: 114-114
Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114
Jake Donovan, Boxing Scene.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
Steve Kim, Maxboxing.com: 115-113 Marquez

Mmm, very mixed then

just like the 1st 2 fights lol

[veriton]

I don't think that fight is as big as it was a year ago. Pacquiao has clearly declined and has lost his mental edge. He will be embarrassed by Mayweather and Arum knows it.

[leforge]

I had Marquez winning by a couple of rounds.

[Gray-Fox]

Loved Steve Bunce's comment

"I know there are some big journalists (in every way) are tweeting frantically"

Obv reference to that fat pudendum Dan Rafael

[LeedsLad]

Marquez won.

Again.

There's absolutely no justification for Manny getting the decision.

[Glyn Leach]

Manny versus Mayweather is all that matters. Practically everybody involved in boxing, in a professional capacity, wants/needs that fight. Therefore they needed Manny to win last night. As a result every close round, on official and unofficial cards, was more likely to inked down to the Filipino that the opponent. Way of the world.

Best tell the drawn card judge how the world works, he obviously got confused when giving rounds 8-10 to JMM while his fellow judges both scored them for Pac. Also, not every close round went to Pac on the judges' cards. Sometimes one went for him and two for Marquez, and vice versa. Very few consensus rounds in the second half, so close rounds some gave to Pac, as you say, others gave to Marquez. Very much one of those subjective fights it seems, though once again I have to say I thought JMM won by two rounds

[jBacca]

I had it a draw going into the 11th, then my footage cut out on me.

Had Manny winning 1, 3, 4, 6, 10. Marquez 2, 5, 7, 8, 9.

Marquez's rounds where more clear cut.

Need to catch them last two rounds.

[veriton]

I really hope the press don't turn this into a "oooh boxing is subjective, we can all have such lovely different opinions".

roach knew pacquiao had lost, pacquiao knew he had lost and marquez was robbed to keep the pac gravy train chuffing into another non-floyd station.

it was an obscene robbery.

[darren_simion]

Chino Trinidad was reported before the fight that Jinkee Pacquiao and Manny were having a bit of a scandalous quarrel in the hotel room and Alex Ariza got involved in Manny's tirade. A coffee table was destroyed from the said scuffle and Jinkee's two blackberrys were thrown around and smashed. This was reported on GMA before the fight actually happened but on the same day.

[Glyn Leach]

it was an obscene robbery.

Look at the scorecards, see how they work in relation to each other, and justify that statement. On the evidence of the cards you can call them incompetent if you like but not bent.

Lovely or not, good or bad, the judges clearly scored the second half of the fight subjectively, the figures don't lie. From eight onwards there wasn't one round in which they were all in agreement, and in one case, the drawn card official, a judge gave three rounds on the trot to JMM that his colleagues gave to Pac. They clearly were not acting together nor even towards the same end.

And once again I point out I had JMM winning by 115-113. I've got no agenda here, I'm just viewing it logically and examining how the fight was scored, rather than emotionally.

[EJW]

it was an obscene robbery.

Look at the scorecards, see how they work in relation to each other, and justify that statement. On the evidence of the cards you can call them incompetent if you like but not bent.

Lovely or not, good or bad, the judges clearly scored the second half of the fight subjectively, the figures don't lie. From eight onwards there wasn't one round in which they were all in agreement, and in one case, the drawn card official, a judge gave three rounds on the trot to JMM that his colleagues gave to Pac. They clearly were not acting together nor even towards the same end.

And once again I point out I had JMM winning by 115-113. I've got no agenda here, I'm just viewing it logically and examining how the fight was scored, rather than emotionally.

I'm still disgusted by the decision, but that does all make sense. There was no suspect pattern or signs of foul play, at least not on paper.

Nevertheless, I don't see how anybody could watch and score that fight and come up with a Pacquiao victory at its conclusion. He got outboxed round after round after round and failed to land anything significant in the entire fight. Can anybody even remember a single shot or flashpoint Manny conjured in the 36 minutes? I can't. Time and time again his limitations were exposed against Marquez, just as they were in fights one and two.

Some of those scores handed in by the US press really do make me start to wonder whether half these boxing scribes really do 'know' boxing. Have they fallen in love with the Pacquiao smile and story, or did they genuinely think he won that fight without landing punches? I hope it's the former.

[veriton]

it was an obscene robbery.

Look at the scorecards, see how they work in relation to each other, and justify that statement. On the evidence of the cards you can call them incompetent if you like but not bent.

Lovely or not, good or bad, the judges clearly scored the second half of the fight subjectively, the figures don't lie. From eight onwards there wasn't one round in which they were all in agreement, and in one case, the drawn card official, a judge gave three rounds on the trot to JMM that his colleagues gave to Pac. They clearly were not acting together nor even towards the same end.

And once again I point out I had JMM winning by 115-113. I've got no agenda here, I'm just viewing it logically and examining how the fight was scored, rather than emotionally.

you are talking as though the only scenario possible is that the scorecards were actually decided as the fight progressed.

[Boxing Addict]

disgusted!!!!

manny is my favourite fighter but he defo got beat by marquez who completely nullified pacman and made him look ordinary

also landed the better harder shots

[Glyn Leach]

it was an obscene robbery.

Look at the scorecards, see how they work in relation to each other, and justify that statement. On the evidence of the cards you can call them incompetent if you like but not bent.

Lovely or not, good or bad, the judges clearly scored the second half of the fight subjectively, the figures don't lie. From eight onwards there wasn't one round in which they were all in agreement, and in one case, the drawn card official, a judge gave three rounds on the trot to JMM that his colleagues gave to Pac. They clearly were not acting together nor even towards the same end.

And once again I point out I had JMM winning by 115-113. I've got no agenda here, I'm just viewing it logically and examining how the fight was scored, rather than emotionally.

you are talking as though the only scenario possible is that the scorecards were actually decided as the fight progressed.

OK, so they had it all planned out beforehand yeah? 'You do this and I'll do that.' Now I see ... Doesn't happen Veriton. They can't predict the run of a fight beforehand so they can't plan like that. You've got three blokes sitting in isolation from each other at ringside, no way of communicating during the fight. They can't go into the fight with a plan like that, there are so many ways it could go wrong — knockdowns, points deductions for fouls etc. Or maybe they've got secret spy microphones and headsets and are taking instructions from 'Mr Big' during the fight ...

[Mensa07]

The peoples scorecard!

http://t.co/K7pLB4Xi

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