..this one time champ won his first ten round decision in his 55th fight.
who dat?
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I give up: who?
initally, I wanted to say the Marvelous one, but his first world title fight was his 50th. Imagine what's happening today. They gave Fernando Vargas a title fight again Yory-boy Campas in what, his 17th fight, maybe 14th. That kinda tells you the world we're in now: need everything RIGHT NOW !. Could anyone reading these sites imagine any fighter today having to wait until his 50th pro fight to be able to go for the title?
Any takes on this readers?
initally, I wanted to say the Marvelous one, but his first world title fight was his 50th. Imagine what's happening today. They gave Fernando Vargas a title fight again Yory-boy Campas in what, his 17th fight, maybe 14th. That kinda tells you the world we're in now: need everything RIGHT NOW !. Could anyone reading these sites imagine any fighter today having to wait until his 50th pro fight to be able to go for the title?
Any takes on this readers?
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..okay..a hint....though he scored a lot of knockouts and won his share of decisions...there is a reason why the ten rounds decision came so late....and he is still alive.
it was when i was watching this fight on tv....a few decades ago..that i suddenly realized why the fight i was watching was an unusual statistic....but going back this fellow's career it was understandable.
doubt if this helps much. i'll answer soon to save my friend silkov's sanity...and some of you will slap your head and say "dammit....this is one mean question...' har har har
it was when i was watching this fight on tv....a few decades ago..that i suddenly realized why the fight i was watching was an unusual statistic....but going back this fellow's career it was understandable.
doubt if this helps much. i'll answer soon to save my friend silkov's sanity...and some of you will slap your head and say "dammit....this is one mean question...' har har har
..wlvrne...good point.....with all of the "titles" available now...and with the quick way to the top i don't think we'll ever see anyone wait very long again.
damn..i swear i checked this one out again..and saw someone saying the answer is george foreman...but it seems to have disappeared. no...it isn't big george, but a damn good guess!!! i had to check foreman's record to see if he also qualified...and found HIS first 10 round decison win came even later.
however, that was because he scored so many knockouts...and came back so much later than his retirement.
knockouts figure in my guy...okay...a heavyweight...but are not the major reason for this unusual stat.
damn..i swear i checked this one out again..and saw someone saying the answer is george foreman...but it seems to have disappeared. no...it isn't big george, but a damn good guess!!! i had to check foreman's record to see if he also qualified...and found HIS first 10 round decison win came even later.
however, that was because he scored so many knockouts...and came back so much later than his retirement.
knockouts figure in my guy...okay...a heavyweight...but are not the major reason for this unusual stat.
...and i just checked again..and the dna guy has it!!! patterson. but..did i count wrong? thought i triple checked.
the reason for the oddity is that floyd fought eight rounders when he started...then 12 round eliminators...kayos and kayos by...well..check it out for yourself.
now i've got to clean my bifocals and count the fights again.
by the way..it was against charlie green in 1970.
the only 10 round decision before this was a draw with jerry quarry.
kovit...you can relax now.
the reason for the oddity is that floyd fought eight rounders when he started...then 12 round eliminators...kayos and kayos by...well..check it out for yourself.
now i've got to clean my bifocals and count the fights again.
by the way..it was against charlie green in 1970.
the only 10 round decision before this was a draw with jerry quarry.
kovit...you can relax now.
Jaclem, you racked my brain with a trivia question and you didn't even get it right! :) :)
I figured out what you meant though. Actually, I was the one that put Foreman down and then erased the post because I realized he had that 10 round decision over Peralta early in his career. I mistakenly thought that late fight past 55 was his first decision, and you did too! :) :)
Either we think alike, or something is wrong with both of us!
I figured out what you meant though. Actually, I was the one that put Foreman down and then erased the post because I realized he had that 10 round decision over Peralta early in his career. I mistakenly thought that late fight past 55 was his first decision, and you did too! :) :)
Either we think alike, or something is wrong with both of us!
Hey Broncano it's at least possible to take "one time champ" to mean a champ "once upon a time" rather than a champion that only attained that goal on one occasion. So Jaclem was more ambiguous than simply incorrect.
Dammit I hate when I'm late to the party. Not sure I would have got it but I love the brain teasers.
I remember the Foreman Peralta Fight saw it on a Phoenix Closed Circuit Theatre, it was the first time I had ever seen George fight and had heard that he knocked everybody out with big power. When Peralta went the distance in a snoozefest I was P'O'd and felt I was watching a guy who had been overhyped. I of course was wrong.
Later when he proved to be such a truly devastating puncher I used what I learned watching him with Peralta and bet against him only on the Ali and Young fights.
Jaclem you take me to school now and then. I have always thought Patterson was a cheese champ but going over his record more carefully I probably have sold him short. I'll never get over my lifelong upset with him spoiling Archies plans but I can see a suspect chin does not a cheese champ make.
He was fast and not a bad puncher and well seasoned. I just won't forgive him for being the guard at the gate when Archie wanted in.
Think he would have taken Archie in 2 out of 3 in the mid fifties? With his speed I suppose it would be possible. But with his chin maybe not. I have always taken the "no way" attitude.
Dammit I hate when I'm late to the party. Not sure I would have got it but I love the brain teasers.
I remember the Foreman Peralta Fight saw it on a Phoenix Closed Circuit Theatre, it was the first time I had ever seen George fight and had heard that he knocked everybody out with big power. When Peralta went the distance in a snoozefest I was P'O'd and felt I was watching a guy who had been overhyped. I of course was wrong.
Later when he proved to be such a truly devastating puncher I used what I learned watching him with Peralta and bet against him only on the Ali and Young fights.
Jaclem you take me to school now and then. I have always thought Patterson was a cheese champ but going over his record more carefully I probably have sold him short. I'll never get over my lifelong upset with him spoiling Archies plans but I can see a suspect chin does not a cheese champ make.
He was fast and not a bad puncher and well seasoned. I just won't forgive him for being the guard at the gate when Archie wanted in.
Think he would have taken Archie in 2 out of 3 in the mid fifties? With his speed I suppose it would be possible. But with his chin maybe not. I have always taken the "no way" attitude.
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Sweet Scientist
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..to all of you....first by one time champ i meant this guy at one time was a champion...didn't realize it was ambiguous.
..as for the number of fights...small print and aging eyesight. the first time i counted i got fifty...the second, third and fourth time i counted i got 55...after the correction..i recounted....got 54...58....11....and 56. the last count took so long i had to stop and take my dog out twice.
but..aren't you glad the patterson answer came so soon? otherwise i would have been feeding you false hints until someone got it anyway. my third hint, was going to be..." won two out of three title fights with a swede named ingamar"...
buy hey...now all you guys can say you would have known the answer if the question had been posted correctly...thus getting one up on the "legendary" jaclem. god will know you're lying, bnut i hear he is of the forgiving sort.
next quiz....his real name is joseph louis barrow and he engaged in two fights with max schmeling...l byko fight one...wko fight number two.
saving grace..if it got anyone reassessing floyd's career and standing i am happy....not a great fighter, but a good one who is, i think. under rated.
..as for the number of fights...small print and aging eyesight. the first time i counted i got fifty...the second, third and fourth time i counted i got 55...after the correction..i recounted....got 54...58....11....and 56. the last count took so long i had to stop and take my dog out twice.
but..aren't you glad the patterson answer came so soon? otherwise i would have been feeding you false hints until someone got it anyway. my third hint, was going to be..." won two out of three title fights with a swede named ingamar"...
buy hey...now all you guys can say you would have known the answer if the question had been posted correctly...thus getting one up on the "legendary" jaclem. god will know you're lying, bnut i hear he is of the forgiving sort.
next quiz....his real name is joseph louis barrow and he engaged in two fights with max schmeling...l byko fight one...wko fight number two.
saving grace..if it got anyone reassessing floyd's career and standing i am happy....not a great fighter, but a good one who is, i think. under rated.
...hint..in the first fight "barrow" was well ahead in the scoring, but collapsed from the heat. in the second fight schmeling was disqualified for biting barrow's ear, but it went into the record books as a ko because it takes less space than disq....and this was during the war when there was a paper shortage.
Patterson will always be underrated because of the Liston demolitions, but he was a great heavyweight. With Patterson, his fights after he lost the title showed a lot more heart and willingness to engage than during his title reign and before. The war with Chuvalo was fabulous and even Ali at ringside was surprised. I'm glad ESPN Classic dusted off that fight from the library. He fought all the tough customers afer he lost his title that he wouldn't fight before and stood up well to all of them save Ali.BoxBuzz wrote:
I have always thought Patterson was a cheese champ but going over his record more carefully I probably have sold him short. I'll never get over my lifelong upset with him spoiling Archies plans but I can see a suspect chin does not a cheese champ make.
He was fast and not a bad puncher and well seasoned. I just won't forgive him for being the guard at the gate when Archie wanted in.
Think he would have taken Archie in 2 out of 3 in the mid fifties? With his speed I suppose it would be possible. But with his chin maybe not. I have always taken the "no way" attitude.
I have always appreciated Floyd Patterson, but it was boxing trivia that mainly fueled my interest in the question.Jaclem wrote:..to all of you....first by one time champ i meant this guy at one time was a champion...didn't realize it was ambiguous.
..as for the number of fights...small print and aging eyesight. the first time i counted i got fifty...the second, third and fourth time i counted i got 55...after the correction..i recounted....got 54...58....11....and 56. the last count took so long i had to stop and take my dog out twice.
but..aren't you glad the patterson answer came so soon? otherwise i would have been feeding you false hints until someone got it anyway. my third hint, was going to be..." won two out of three title fights with a swede named ingamar"...
buy hey...now all you guys can say you would have known the answer if the question had been posted correctly...thus getting one up on the "legendary" jaclem. god will know you're lying, bnut i hear he is of the forgiving sort.
next quiz....his real name is joseph louis barrow and he engaged in two fights with max schmeling...l byko fight one...wko fight number two.
saving grace..if it got anyone reassessing floyd's career and standing i am happy....not a great fighter, but a good one who is, i think. under rated.
How about this question:
Which undisputed champion, in any weight class, lost the most fights at the time he became champion?
...i'm guessing, but i'll say fritzie zivic...with braddock a close second. if i'm wrong i'll have to hit the books.
latest count on patterson has the 56th fight was first 10 round decision. i got this by sliding a bookmark down his record and counting out loud.
re: patterson's first fights...before he was a small heavy....fought some tough guys and fought the seasoned clever maxim in a very early fight....lost an eight rounder which many thought he won. i will not say which fight it was for fear of getting the wrong count...but it was just a handful.. fought the tough dick wagner even earlier.
latest count on patterson has the 56th fight was first 10 round decision. i got this by sliding a bookmark down his record and counting out loud.
re: patterson's first fights...before he was a small heavy....fought some tough guys and fought the seasoned clever maxim in a very early fight....lost an eight rounder which many thought he won. i will not say which fight it was for fear of getting the wrong count...but it was just a handful.. fought the tough dick wagner even earlier.
Good guesses! But both are wrong. Although the time period is very close.Jaclem wrote:...i'm guessing, but i'll say fritzie zivic...with braddock a close second. if i'm wrong i'll have to hit the books.
On the Floyd Patterson fight record and "controversy": Thanks to the simplicity of BoxRec, you don't even have to count. The first 10 round decision win was against Terry Daniels. If you click to Daniels's record, you will see that Floyd's record was 49-7-1 going into that fight, making it his 58th pro fight. Saves those eyes from scrolling records!
..aha....should have checked box rec.....i found the 55th fight listed as a decision win over charlie green in a ring record book....then after your correction checked an older ring record book and found the w10. now i'm puzzled as to which fight i remember seeing. i know i saw the daniels one because that's what triggered my mind into thinking about that aspect of floyd's unusual record. i'm sure i saw the green one too....just forgot the result.
not copping out...my fault for hot double checking...which i usually do when i get into records, memories and the like.
curious though...what led you into checking floyd in the first place?
neither the thumb master or the cinderella man, eh? damn..now i have to dig.
not copping out...my fault for hot double checking...which i usually do when i get into records, memories and the like.
curious though...what led you into checking floyd in the first place?
neither the thumb master or the cinderella man, eh? damn..now i have to dig.
If a BoxRec record says that it is "believed to be complete and accurate," then I regard it as the best possible record. Floyd's is verified as such, so I would put more stock into it than a Ring record. I only have a 1981 Ring Record Book and most of the records are off based on what we now know.Jaclem wrote:..aha....should have checked box rec.....i found the 55th fight listed as a decision win over charlie green in a ring record book....then after your correction checked an older ring record book and found the w10. now i'm puzzled as to which fight i remember seeing. i know i saw the daniels one because that's what triggered my mind into thinking about that aspect of floyd's unusual record. i'm sure i saw the green one too....just forgot the result.
not copping out...my fault for hot double checking...which i usually do when i get into records, memories and the like.
curious though...what led you into checking floyd in the first place?
neither the thumb master or the cinderella man, eh? damn..now i have to dig.
I checked Floyd because I was thinking of fighers that had a lot of KOs and you mentioned a heavyweight. I only had to check 3 or 4 fighters before I got to him (Foreman, Baer, some others).
Are you just saying Zivic was a thumb master or did someone actually nickname him as such? I know he was, but I'm curious if some sportswriter decided to label him that. I think sometimes those nicknames can be the best insult to a fighter's style than anything else. I'm sure Angott hated the "Clutch" name and I hope there isn't a gun around if McCoy gets to meet the person that dubbed him "The Cheese Champion." Zivic was quite potentially the dirtiest excellent fighter that ever lived. He literally fought everyone of his time and he gave everyone hell.
...the thumb master is a name i thought of on the spot, while writing the post. sugar ray said zivic taught him how you could get a guy to butt himself.
i find box rec's records excellent...though i have found some missing records for what used to be called club fighters. .... or journeymen... discovered this only by checking on fighters i knew or had seen locally.
..damned if i can find the most-losses-before-title guy. not lauro salas...not....but hey...no poiont in printing who it's NOT...going coo coo trying to figure who it IS.
p.s. the mistake in floyd's record is from the only book i consulted. others have it correct.
i find box rec's records excellent...though i have found some missing records for what used to be called club fighters. .... or journeymen... discovered this only by checking on fighters i knew or had seen locally.
..damned if i can find the most-losses-before-title guy. not lauro salas...not....but hey...no poiont in printing who it's NOT...going coo coo trying to figure who it IS.
p.s. the mistake in floyd's record is from the only book i consulted. others have it correct.