Haye v Vitali...

[dutchie]

Haye is an embarassment to boxing ,if it happens it will be a joke!!

[earsjohn]

In what way are 'British Mugs' going to 'fall for it'? What exactly? Paying to watch it? Or posting how Haye will win by KO?

Yes to both.

Haye will be coming for the paycheck and will talk obscene amounts of sh*te which the mugs will fall for and pay 15 quid to see.

And what does that make the likes of me? Before the talking starts and the hype begins, I want to see the fight. I don't give a rats behind what is said in the build up or in the press conferences; on its merits alone it is a fight I want to see. If the only way to see it live is by attending or by paying £15 for the PPV, then so be it. It doesn't make me a mug, it makes me someone who knows what he wants and knows the price he puts on it.

[Mensa07]

In what way are 'British Mugs' going to 'fall for it'? What exactly? Paying to watch it? Or posting how Haye will win by KO?

Yes to both.

Haye will be coming for the paycheck and will talk obscene amounts of sh*te which the mugs will fall for and pay 15 quid to see.

And what does that make the likes of me? Before the talking starts and the hype begins, I want to see the fight. I don't give a rats behind what is said in the build up or in the press conferences; on its merits alone it is a fight I want to see. If the only way to see it live is by attending or by paying £15 for the PPV, then so be it. It doesn't make me a mug, it makes me someone who knows what he wants and knows the price he puts on it.

hear hear, I'll stump up to watch it too, regardless of how much sh*te is talked in the buildup. Even if there was no buildup, if they just said the fight will be on this date and there's no press conferences and both fighters are banned from talking to the media beforehand, I'd still tune in.

We're not 'falling' for anything, that's a ridiculous statement!

[Finn]

In what way are 'British Mugs' going to 'fall for it'? What exactly? Paying to watch it? Or posting how Haye will win by KO?

Yes to both.

Haye will be coming for the paycheck and will talk obscene amounts of sh*te which the mugs will fall for and pay 15 quid to see.

And what does that make the likes of me? Before the talking starts and the hype begins, I want to see the fight. I don't give a rats behind what is said in the build up or in the press conferences; on its merits alone it is a fight I want to see. If the only way to see it live is by attending or by paying £15 for the PPV, then so be it. It doesn't make me a mug, it makes me someone who knows what he wants and knows the price he puts on it.

To some people £15 pounds is obviously a small fortune maybe snack bar should get a job - i felt i had been short changed paying for hayes fights to see him quit on a sub par peformance especially when i believe he is capable of more. But if he's willing to go back and rectifiy that he has my support, if he does the same again then to me all it shows is he was willing to try but just doesnt have the tools for the job - £15 quid to watch that doesnt bother me one bit.

I notice people bash Haye for the wlad fight and say the britsh are saps for being willing to watch him be boring again. But the Klits have been boring in every fight and take alot of mismatched fights (through lack of quality opposition) they still fill 50k seater stadiums - now who are the saps? Alot of glory supporters post on this forum (mainly americans)

[yiddo14]

so transparent that haye is merely going to perform the same way as he did in the wlad fight and take his millions

british mugs will fall for it anyway

As I said, top excuse for a weekend away. Even those that do pay 15 quid to watch it will have an excuse to get the beers in and mates round. It's a social event.

You don't seem to know too much about the British sport fan mentality. Look at how we follow our football clubs AWAY from their home grounds. We turn up in our thousands even if the team is playing shit.

I have watched the national side out in Spain against one of the worst sides in world football ( Andorra ) in a pretty meaningless one sided game. I was one of 20k+ England fans that made the journey.

[allahsnackbar]

In what way are 'British Mugs' going to 'fall for it'? What exactly? Paying to watch it? Or posting how Haye will win by KO?

Yes to both.

Haye will be coming for the paycheck and will talk obscene amounts of sh*te which the mugs will fall for and pay 15 quid to see.

And what does that make the likes of me? Before the talking starts and the hype begins, I want to see the fight. I don't give a rats behind what is said in the build up or in the press conferences; on its merits alone it is a fight I want to see. If the only way to see it live is by attending or by paying £15 for the PPV, then so be it. It doesn't make me a mug, it makes me someone who knows what he wants and knows the price he puts on it.

It makes you a mug in my eyes because you are lining Hayes pockets when he has no intention of genuinely trying to win the fight. You will disagree with that statement of course but Haye will fight another boring fight and try his best to lose a 12 round decision rather than go for it. Of course you will then buy his excuses that he "overtrained" or some such. Think about what you are paying for. I would make a bet with you that this fight will only be PPV in Britain and maybe Germany. Americans would laugh if HBO tried to make this PPV

[allahsnackbar]

so transparent that haye is merely going to perform the same way as he did in the wlad fight and take his millions

british mugs will fall for it anyway

As I said, top excuse for a weekend away. Even those that do pay 15 quid to watch it will have an excuse to get the beers in and mates round. It's a social event.

You don't seem to know too much about the British sport fan mentality. Look at how we follow our football clubs AWAY from their home grounds. We turn up in our thousands even if the team is playing shit.

I have watched the national side out in Spain against one of the worst sides in world football ( Andorra ) in a pretty meaningless one sided game. I was one of 20k+ England fans that made the journey.

At least the fans knew England would be trying. If the players just ran around and passed the ball and didn't try to score I'm sure the fans would be pissed. If the fans knew that this was going to happen before they decided to pay to see it, I'm sure many wouldn't have paid.

[earsjohn]

Yes to both.

Haye will be coming for the paycheck and will talk obscene amounts of sh*te which the mugs will fall for and pay 15 quid to see.

And what does that make the likes of me? Before the talking starts and the hype begins, I want to see the fight. I don't give a rats behind what is said in the build up or in the press conferences; on its merits alone it is a fight I want to see. If the only way to see it live is by attending or by paying £15 for the PPV, then so be it. It doesn't make me a mug, it makes me someone who knows what he wants and knows the price he puts on it.

It makes you a mug in my eyes because you are lining Hayes pockets when he has no intention of genuinely trying to win the fight. You will disagree with that statement of course but Haye will fight another boring fight and try his best to lose a 12 round decision rather than go for it. Of course you will then buy his excuses that he "overtrained" or some such. Think about what you are paying for. I would make a bet with you that this fight will only be PPV in Britain and maybe Germany. Americans would laugh if HBO tried to make this PPV

Americans made Hopkins v Dawson PPV. What kind of moral superiority does that provide?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yes to both.

Haye will be coming for the paycheck and will talk obscene amounts of sh*te which the mugs will fall for and pay 15 quid to see.

And what does that make the likes of me? Before the talking starts and the hype begins, I want to see the fight. I don't give a rats behind what is said in the build up or in the press conferences; on its merits alone it is a fight I want to see. If the only way to see it live is by attending or by paying £15 for the PPV, then so be it. It doesn't make me a mug, it makes me someone who knows what he wants and knows the price he puts on it.

To some people £15 pounds is obviously a small fortune maybe snack bar should get a job - i felt i had been short changed paying for hayes fights to see him quit on a sub par peformance especially when i believe he is capable of more. But if he's willing to go back and rectifiy that he has my support, if he does the same again then to me all it shows is he was willing to try but just doesnt have the tools for the job - £15 quid to watch that doesnt bother me one bit.

I notice people bash Haye for the wlad fight and say the britsh are saps for being willing to watch him be boring again. But the Klits have been boring in every fight and take alot of mismatched fights (through lack of quality opposition) they still fill 50k seater stadiums - now who are the saps? Alot of glory supporters post on this forum (mainly americans)

15 quid is peanuts mate, but it's a principle. I have no intention of putting money in the pocket of someone who mugged off the british public last time out, and not for the first time. The Audley fiasco left a real stench, some of us knew it was a horrendous mismatch, but plenty of people bought the hype. The valuev fight was an absolute snoozer despite all Haye's bluster beforehand, and the Wlad fight, well, the less said the better. Fine, if you want to contribute to Haye's retirement fund, go for it, but me, I'm not having it. If it turns out to be a cracker, maybe I'll buy the replay, but I'm not shelling out one razoo to be bored shiteless again.

The difference is the Klits impose their wills on their opponents and win every time. Wlad is pretty boring, Vitali I find less so as he is more aggressive and throws a hell of a lot more punches, plus he's a mean SOB. Sure, neither is the most exciting, but they are at least effective, and people like winners. I don't fork out money to watch their fights either though, as I don't think they are PPV worthy as there is a paucity of challengers.

[earsjohn]

so transparent that haye is merely going to perform the same way as he did in the wlad fight and take his millions

british mugs will fall for it anyway

As I said, top excuse for a weekend away. Even those that do pay 15 quid to watch it will have an excuse to get the beers in and mates round. It's a social event.

You don't seem to know too much about the British sport fan mentality. Look at how we follow our football clubs AWAY from their home grounds. We turn up in our thousands even if the team is playing shit.

I have watched the national side out in Spain against one of the worst sides in world football ( Andorra ) in a pretty meaningless one sided game. I was one of 20k+ England fans that made the journey.

At least the fans knew England would be trying. If the players just ran around and passed the ball and didn't try to score I'm sure the fans would be pissed. If the fans knew that this was going to happen before they decided to pay to see it, I'm sure many wouldn't have paid.

Have you ever seen England play in a tournament? Their collective performance in South Africa in 2010 was as weak willed as any performance I've see in a boxing ring. And if anyone thinks the performance in Ukraine / Poland next year will be any different then surely they are the dictionary definition of mugs?

[earsjohn]

And what does that make the likes of me? Before the talking starts and the hype begins, I want to see the fight. I don't give a rats behind what is said in the build up or in the press conferences; on its merits alone it is a fight I want to see. If the only way to see it live is by attending or by paying £15 for the PPV, then so be it. It doesn't make me a mug, it makes me someone who knows what he wants and knows the price he puts on it.

To some people £15 pounds is obviously a small fortune maybe snack bar should get a job - i felt i had been short changed paying for hayes fights to see him quit on a sub par peformance especially when i believe he is capable of more. But if he's willing to go back and rectifiy that he has my support, if he does the same again then to me all it shows is he was willing to try but just doesnt have the tools for the job - £15 quid to watch that doesnt bother me one bit.

I notice people bash Haye for the wlad fight and say the britsh are saps for being willing to watch him be boring again. But the Klits have been boring in every fight and take alot of mismatched fights (through lack of quality opposition) they still fill 50k seater stadiums - now who are the saps? Alot of glory supporters post on this forum (mainly americans)

15 quid is peanuts mate, but it's a principle. I have no intention of putting money in the pocket of someone who mugged off the british public last time out, and not for the first time. The Audley fiasco left a real stench, some of us knew it was a horrendous mismatch, but plenty of people bought the hype. The valuev fight was an absolute snoozer despite all Haye's bluster beforehand, and the Wlad fight, well, the less said the better. Fine, if you want to contribute to Haye's retirement fund, go for it, but me, I'm not having it. If it turns out to be a cracker, maybe I'll buy the replay, but I'm not shelling out one razoo to be bored shiteless again.

The difference is the Klits impose their wills on their opponents and win every time. Wlad is pretty boring, Vitali I find less so as he is more aggressive and throws a hell of a lot more punches, plus he's a mean SOB. Sure, neither is the most exciting, but they are at least effective, and people like winners. I don't fork out money to watch their fights either though, as I don't think they are PPV worthy as there is a paucity of challengers.

The thing is, I didn't feel mugged off last time (and I am a member of the British public). For both the Audley and Wlad fights I knew pretty much what I was getting. I didn't buy the fights because I listened to what Audley or haye said they were going to do and that changed my mind. I wanted to see the fights, regardless of the hype. I also don't give a monkeys about the rest of the UK public. If they are big enough and ugly enough to make their own financial decisions, then they bear the consequences.

FWIW, I was disappointed in both fights, but in the same way I am disappointed with every fight I see that doesn't go the way I want. I didn't feel conned. And i'd prefer to beef up the retirement fund of a fighter who has given me plenty of enjoyment over the years than to line the pockets of a promoter or corporation who's commitment to the future of boxing is little more than lip service, IMO. Disagree all you like, but don't call me a mug.

[Happy Slapper]

Haye's going to be leaving on a stretcher. I am rooting for him though (got to want the Brit to win).

[jamesmcdonnell]

To some people £15 pounds is obviously a small fortune maybe snack bar should get a job - i felt i had been short changed paying for hayes fights to see him quit on a sub par peformance especially when i believe he is capable of more. But if he's willing to go back and rectifiy that he has my support, if he does the same again then to me all it shows is he was willing to try but just doesnt have the tools for the job - £15 quid to watch that doesnt bother me one bit.

I notice people bash Haye for the wlad fight and say the britsh are saps for being willing to watch him be boring again. But the Klits have been boring in every fight and take alot of mismatched fights (through lack of quality opposition) they still fill 50k seater stadiums - now who are the saps? Alot of glory supporters post on this forum (mainly americans)

15 quid is peanuts mate, but it's a principle. I have no intention of putting money in the pocket of someone who mugged off the british public last time out, and not for the first time. The Audley fiasco left a real stench, some of us knew it was a horrendous mismatch, but plenty of people bought the hype. The valuev fight was an absolute snoozer despite all Haye's bluster beforehand, and the Wlad fight, well, the less said the better. Fine, if you want to contribute to Haye's retirement fund, go for it, but me, I'm not having it. If it turns out to be a cracker, maybe I'll buy the replay, but I'm not shelling out one razoo to be bored shiteless again.

The difference is the Klits impose their wills on their opponents and win every time. Wlad is pretty boring, Vitali I find less so as he is more aggressive and throws a hell of a lot more punches, plus he's a mean SOB. Sure, neither is the most exciting, but they are at least effective, and people like winners. I don't fork out money to watch their fights either though, as I don't think they are PPV worthy as there is a paucity of challengers.

The thing is, I didn't feel mugged off last time (and I am a member of the British public). For both the Audley and Wlad fights I knew pretty much what I was getting. I didn't buy the fights because I listened to what Audley or haye said they were going to do and that changed my mind. I wanted to see the fights, regardless of the hype. I also don't give a monkeys about the rest of the UK public. If they are big enough and ugly enough to make their own financial decisions, then they bear the consequences.

FWIW, I was disappointed in both fights, but in the same way I am disappointed with every fight I see that doesn't go the way I want. I didn't feel conned. And i'd prefer to beef up the retirement fund of a fighter who has given me plenty of enjoyment over the years than to line the pockets of a promoter or corporation who's commitment to the future of boxing is little more than lip service, IMO. Disagree all you like, but don't call me a mug.

You think Haye's contribution to boxing has been more valuable than say, Warren? Personally I don't. Whatever flaws promoters may have, long term, they give more to the sport than someone who has made it clear from the off he would retire young as champion - what is Haye contributing to precisely apart from his own bank account?

[gobbles]

To some people £15 pounds is obviously a small fortune maybe snack bar should get a job - i felt i had been short changed paying for hayes fights to see him quit on a sub par peformance especially when i believe he is capable of more. But if he's willing to go back and rectifiy that he has my support, if he does the same again then to me all it shows is he was willing to try but just doesnt have the tools for the job - £15 quid to watch that doesnt bother me one bit.

I notice people bash Haye for the wlad fight and say the britsh are saps for being willing to watch him be boring again. But the Klits have been boring in every fight and take alot of mismatched fights (through lack of quality opposition) they still fill 50k seater stadiums - now who are the saps? Alot of glory supporters post on this forum (mainly americans)

15 quid is peanuts mate, but it's a principle. I have no intention of putting money in the pocket of someone who mugged off the british public last time out, and not for the first time. The Audley fiasco left a real stench, some of us knew it was a horrendous mismatch, but plenty of people bought the hype. The valuev fight was an absolute snoozer despite all Haye's bluster beforehand, and the Wlad fight, well, the less said the better. Fine, if you want to contribute to Haye's retirement fund, go for it, but me, I'm not having it. If it turns out to be a cracker, maybe I'll buy the replay, but I'm not shelling out one razoo to be bored shiteless again.

The difference is the Klits impose their wills on their opponents and win every time. Wlad is pretty boring, Vitali I find less so as he is more aggressive and throws a hell of a lot more punches, plus he's a mean SOB. Sure, neither is the most exciting, but they are at least effective, and people like winners. I don't fork out money to watch their fights either though, as I don't think they are PPV worthy as there is a paucity of challengers.

The thing is, I didn't feel mugged off last time (and I am a member of the British public). For both the Audley and Wlad fights I knew pretty much what I was getting. I didn't buy the fights because I listened to what Audley or haye said they were going to do and that changed my mind. I wanted to see the fights, regardless of the hype. I also don't give a monkeys about the rest of the UK public. If they are big enough and ugly enough to make their own financial decisions, then they bear the consequences.

FWIW, I was disappointed in both fights, but in the same way I am disappointed with every fight I see that doesn't go the way I want. I didn't feel conned. And i'd prefer to beef up the retirement fund of a fighter who has given me plenty of enjoyment over the years than to line the pockets of a promoter or corporation who's commitment to the future of boxing is little more than lip service, IMO. Disagree all you like, but don't call me a mug.

Did you feel mugged off when Audley admitted he wasn't even fit?

Did you think that fight was worth £15?

[earsjohn]

15 quid is peanuts mate, but it's a principle. I have no intention of putting money in the pocket of someone who mugged off the british public last time out, and not for the first time. The Audley fiasco left a real stench, some of us knew it was a horrendous mismatch, but plenty of people bought the hype. The valuev fight was an absolute snoozer despite all Haye's bluster beforehand, and the Wlad fight, well, the less said the better. Fine, if you want to contribute to Haye's retirement fund, go for it, but me, I'm not having it. If it turns out to be a cracker, maybe I'll buy the replay, but I'm not shelling out one razoo to be bored shiteless again.

The difference is the Klits impose their wills on their opponents and win every time. Wlad is pretty boring, Vitali I find less so as he is more aggressive and throws a hell of a lot more punches, plus he's a mean SOB. Sure, neither is the most exciting, but they are at least effective, and people like winners. I don't fork out money to watch their fights either though, as I don't think they are PPV worthy as there is a paucity of challengers.

The thing is, I didn't feel mugged off last time (and I am a member of the British public). For both the Audley and Wlad fights I knew pretty much what I was getting. I didn't buy the fights because I listened to what Audley or haye said they were going to do and that changed my mind. I wanted to see the fights, regardless of the hype. I also don't give a monkeys about the rest of the UK public. If they are big enough and ugly enough to make their own financial decisions, then they bear the consequences.

FWIW, I was disappointed in both fights, but in the same way I am disappointed with every fight I see that doesn't go the way I want. I didn't feel conned. And i'd prefer to beef up the retirement fund of a fighter who has given me plenty of enjoyment over the years than to line the pockets of a promoter or corporation who's commitment to the future of boxing is little more than lip service, IMO. Disagree all you like, but don't call me a mug.

Did you feel mugged off when Audley admitted he wasn't even fit?

Did you think that fight was worth £15?

No.

Yes.

If it comes down to assigning a certain price to each fight you're entering muddy waters. Liam Walsh v Paul Appleby was a cracking fight but would I have paid £15 for it if asked beforehand? No.

You can't justify the price of a fight, after the fight has been completed. I was prepared to pay £15 for Haye v Audley, not because of the hype or the build up or the nonsense spoken by both, but because I wanted to watch the fight and was prepared to pay £15 for it. The fight didn't deliver anything I didn't expect, so how can I be disappointed? If I'd have bought the fight expecting Audley to go down all guns blazing or that Haye would put on a 12 round boxing masterclass and then been disappointed, I would rightly deserve to be called a mug. But for buying something that went exactly as I expected?

[stujones]

earsjohn - can I ask why? why, if the fight went exactly how you predicted did you want to buy it.

I'm simply asking cause normally the true beauty of PPV's is they are supposed to be close to 50:50 with a case made for both men. I think the beauty of Haye as a PPV fighter is his vulnerability.... and Audley might have been able to catch him.

[earsjohn]

15 quid is peanuts mate, but it's a principle. I have no intention of putting money in the pocket of someone who mugged off the british public last time out, and not for the first time. The Audley fiasco left a real stench, some of us knew it was a horrendous mismatch, but plenty of people bought the hype. The valuev fight was an absolute snoozer despite all Haye's bluster beforehand, and the Wlad fight, well, the less said the better. Fine, if you want to contribute to Haye's retirement fund, go for it, but me, I'm not having it. If it turns out to be a cracker, maybe I'll buy the replay, but I'm not shelling out one razoo to be bored shiteless again.

The difference is the Klits impose their wills on their opponents and win every time. Wlad is pretty boring, Vitali I find less so as he is more aggressive and throws a hell of a lot more punches, plus he's a mean SOB. Sure, neither is the most exciting, but they are at least effective, and people like winners. I don't fork out money to watch their fights either though, as I don't think they are PPV worthy as there is a paucity of challengers.

The thing is, I didn't feel mugged off last time (and I am a member of the British public). For both the Audley and Wlad fights I knew pretty much what I was getting. I didn't buy the fights because I listened to what Audley or haye said they were going to do and that changed my mind. I wanted to see the fights, regardless of the hype. I also don't give a monkeys about the rest of the UK public. If they are big enough and ugly enough to make their own financial decisions, then they bear the consequences.

FWIW, I was disappointed in both fights, but in the same way I am disappointed with every fight I see that doesn't go the way I want. I didn't feel conned. And i'd prefer to beef up the retirement fund of a fighter who has given me plenty of enjoyment over the years than to line the pockets of a promoter or corporation who's commitment to the future of boxing is little more than lip service, IMO. Disagree all you like, but don't call me a mug.

You think Haye's contribution to boxing has been more valuable than say, Warren? Personally I don't. Whatever flaws promoters may have, long term, they give more to the sport than someone who has made it clear from the off he would retire young as champion - what is Haye contributing to precisely apart from his own bank account?

That's not quite what I said. David Haye has given me plenty of enjoyment. You pick Warren as an example and he's a man who I wouldn't p1ss on if he were on fire, such is my perception of his contribution to my personal enjoyment of the sport.

[earsjohn]

earsjohn - can I ask why? why, if the fight went exactly how you predicted did you want to buy it.

I'm simply asking cause normally the true beauty of PPV's is they are supposed to be close to 50:50 with a case made for both men. I think the beauty of Haye as a PPV fighter is his vulnerability.... and Audley might have been able to catch him.

Maybe not "exactly how I predicted", but there was no surprise in the outcome. I wanted to watch the fight, that's why I bought it. I have wanted to watch all of David Hayes fights since his early pro days. I spend my money on things I want to enjoy.

I have no problem with others who decide that they don't think the fight is worth buying. But the difference is that I wouldn't call them a mug in the event it turns into an all time classic fight of the century contender. The mugs are those who buy one thing expecting another. Call me one-eyed, suggest I have poor taste in boxers but don't suggest that I have been conned when I haven't.

[stujones]

Okay earsjohn - fair enough response. I do think personally that Sky and the hype train went over the top in trying to hype the Harrison vs Haye match as a 50:50 affair, based on no evidence.

Hatton vs Pacquiao didn't exactly go the way I expected (I thought Manny would win via late stoppage or points). However, I didn't feel conned by that one - because it was a geniune pick em fight.... major shocking results do happen in this game (Louis vs Schmeling 2 as an example).

However, were I did feel more conned was the feable effort against Wladimir.

[earsjohn]

Okay earsjohn - fair enough response. I do think personally that Sky and the hype train went over the top in trying to hype the Harrison vs Haye match as a 50:50 affair, based on no evidence.

Hatton vs Pacquiao didn't exactly go the way I expected (I thought Manny would win via late stoppage or points). However, I didn't feel conned by that one - because it was a geniune pick em fight.... major shocking results do happen in this game (Louis vs Schmeling 2 as an example).

However, were I did feel more conned was the feable effort against Wladimir.

I don't buy based on hype. I'm sat here now saying I'll buy Haye v Vitali and the fight hasn't been announced - there have been no T-Shirts, bookazines, press conferences or wall to wall Sky Sports coverage.

What did you expect from Haye - Wlad that was so different to the outcome? If it was anything other than Haye fighting off the back foot to negate the Wlad jab and hopefully land the one big shot and Wlad fighting in exactly the same safety first manner he has demonstrated in every fight over the last 5-6 years, then you'll have ignored the evidence of the previous fights and bought in to the hype. Of course you're going to feel conned, you bought a fantasy and not the reality.

I generally try to avoid hype - sky are a nightmare with it across all sports - in football they've had more judgement days than David Icke. Having 2 kids mean that I have no time to watch the interminable build up and having Sky+ gives me the means to forward through all the dull bits.

I've watched enough boxing and have enough internet savvy to know what's going on and when it's happening. I don't need the likes of Nelson, Kellerman and Buncey telling me something is greater than it is.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well horses for courses I guess. Personally I don't pay for fights I think are going to be dull or contribute to the wages of fighters I feel have mugged people off.

Haye is clearly not a coward, the man is a professional fighter, but his career at heavyweight has left me rather underwhelmed. You can't blame a man for hyping up his chances, but you're entitled to be a little peeved if you perceive a less than genuine effort to back up those claims.

I suppose you could argue that Haye simply couldn't get going against Wlad, and found himself at a loss, but you'd have wished to see him go hell for leather in the last couple of rounds at the very least and risk being thumped, for the sake of having a desperate last ditch effort to win.

Compare Danny Williams' ill feted effort against Vitali - sure, he got annihilated, but by god did he give it a go, he got off his ass seven times and kept on throwing bombs in the hope he would land a bingo punch and turn the fight. When asked why he endured such a shellaking before being stopped he summed it up perfectly 'this was for the heavyweight championship of the world.'

Haye has earned easily 10 times what Williams has earned, and has won two sets of world title belts at two weights, however i will remember Williams' career with a great deal more affection than I do Haye's. I'm sure Haye will enjoy a far more lucrative and cushy retirement that poor old Danny, who seems determined to fight on until the last drop of resistance is punched out of him, so I guess you'd have to say Haye is clearly the smarter man.

[yiddo14]

I love Danny and he let it all hang out against Vitali, but there were plenty of Williams fights were at best you could question his commitment to the cause!

[allahsnackbar]

Well horses for courses I guess. Personally I don't pay for fights I think are going to be dull or contribute to the wages of fighters I feel have mugged people off.

Haye is clearly not a coward, the man is a professional fighter, but his career at heavyweight has left me rather underwhelmed. You can't blame a man for hyping up his chances, but you're entitled to be a little peeved if you perceive a less than genuine effort to back up those claims.

I suppose you could argue that Haye simply couldn't get going against Wlad, and found himself at a loss, but you'd have wished to see him go hell for leather in the last couple of rounds at the very least and risk being thumped, for the sake of having a desperate last ditch effort to win.

Compare Danny Williams' ill feted effort against Vitali - sure, he got annihilated, but by god did he give it a go, he got off his ass seven times and kept on throwing bombs in the hope he would land a bingo punch and turn the fight. When asked why he endured such a shellaking before being stopped he summed it up perfectly 'this was for the heavyweight championship of the world.'

Haye has earned easily 10 times what Williams has earned, and has won two sets of world title belts at two weights, however i will remember Williams' career with a great deal more affection than I do Haye's. I'm sure Haye will enjoy a far more lucrative and cushy retirement that poor old Danny, who seems determined to fight on until the last drop of resistance is punched out of him, so I guess you'd have to say Haye is clearly the smarter man.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I love Danny and he let it all hang out against Vitali, but there were plenty of Williams fights were at best you could question his commitment to the cause!

Yes, but when his big moments came, against Tyson and Vitali, he gave it his all. He endured a real beating from Tyson before he prevailed.

I personally think the damage was done in the Tyson fight, his balance looked awful against Vitali.

Anyone can have a duff performance, but you expect them to give their all when the biggest prize in sport comes along.

[Karl Jade]

My lasting memory of Danny Williams is his completely busted face after Audley beat him up for 3 rounds.