Haye v Vitali...

[allahsnackbar]

If Williams had got a shot at Wlad a few months after the Vitali fight, I could understand support being shown for him due to the bravery and guts he showed in going for it vs Vitali.

But Haye has deliberately conned the british fans and now they are first in line to get conned again.

I can't blame Haye - its just too easy to con the fans and make millions when you are a heavyweight. Even Audley did it and im sure most on here would still pay to see him.

Mugery of the highest order.

[jamesmcdonnell]

My lasting memory of Danny Williams is his completely busted face after Audley beat him up for 3 rounds.

It will always be the 'Potter-shot' for me.

That fight was bravery beyond sanity - by rights he should have quit then and there, it was madness to carry on. Danny just had so much heart. Although his motiviation was often missing, there was absolutely no dog in him, he seemed to actually thrive on the adversity, it seemed to wake him up.

A real conundrum is Danny.

I was watching the Tyson fight earlier, got to say, Danny fought very very well in that fight, he was really roughing Tyson up on the inside, lots of head movement, and his defence was excellent.

It's such a shame to see him fighting on and getting beatings like he is - unfortunately his lack of quit is now working against him. Bizzarely for someone who never even wanted to be a fighter in the first place, he now cannot leave it behind.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If Williams had got a shot at Wlad a few months after the Vitali fight, I could understand support being shown for him due to the bravery and guts he showed in going for it vs Vitali.

But Haye has deliberately conned the british fans and now they are first in line to get conned again.

I can't blame Haye - its just too easy to con the fans and make millions when you are a heavyweight. Even Audley did it and im sure most on here would still pay to see him.

Mugery of the highest order.

I would pay to watch Audley fight a grizzly bear, only because then I could be sure it would definitely be the last we would see of his flaccid career.

[Final round]

As soon as the term 'conned' is rolled out for Haye I switch off, it's the type of reaction that belongs on The Sun's letters page not on a boxing forum populated by people who follow the sport closely and have a supposedly good idea of what certain fighters can actually do and what they say they can do.

I never bought the Audley fight, a too obvious outcome and was disappointed in the result against Wlad but couldn't quite and still can't understand the sheer negativity for Haye's performance who was at a sheer disadvantage but took some big shots but gave some back and stood in there with Wlad for the full twelve which pissed off Klitchsko no end.

[J]

Well horses for courses I guess. Personally I don't pay for fights I think are going to be dull or contribute to the wages of fighters I feel have mugged people off.

Haye is clearly not a coward, the man is a professional fighter, but his career at heavyweight has left me rather underwhelmed. You can't blame a man for hyping up his chances, but you're entitled to be a little peeved if you perceive a less than genuine effort to back up those claims.

I suppose you could argue that Haye simply couldn't get going against Wlad, and found himself at a loss, but you'd have wished to see him go hell for leather in the last couple of rounds at the very least and risk being thumped, for the sake of having a desperate last ditch effort to win.

Compare Danny Williams' ill feted effort against Vitali - sure, he got annihilated, but by god did he give it a go, he got off his ass seven times and kept on throwing bombs in the hope he would land a bingo punch and turn the fight. When asked why he endured such a shellaking before being stopped he summed it up perfectly 'this was for the heavyweight championship of the world.'

Haye has earned easily 10 times what Williams has earned, and has won two sets of world title belts at two weights, however i will remember Williams' career with a great deal more affection than I do Haye's. I'm sure Haye will enjoy a far more lucrative and cushy retirement that poor old Danny, who seems determined to fight on until the last drop of resistance is punched out of him, so I guess you'd have to say Haye is clearly the smarter man.

i remember the danny vit fight Jim, sat with you both of us going stay down danny please stay down.

too brave for his own good that night.

[jamesmcdonnell]

As soon as the term 'conned' is rolled out for Haye I switch off, it's the type of reaction that belongs on The Sun's letters page not on a boxing forum populated by people who follow the sport closely and have a supposedly good idea of what certain fighters can actually do and what they say they can do.

I never bought the Audley fight, a too obvious outcome and was disappointed in the result against Wlad but couldn't quite and still can't understand the sheer negativity for Haye's performance who was at a sheer disadvantage but took some big shots but gave some back and stood in there with Wlad for the full twelve which pissed off Klitchsko no end.

Stood there?!! He basically avoided Wlad like the plague for majority of the fight.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Well horses for courses I guess. Personally I don't pay for fights I think are going to be dull or contribute to the wages of fighters I feel have mugged people off.

Haye is clearly not a coward, the man is a professional fighter, but his career at heavyweight has left me rather underwhelmed. You can't blame a man for hyping up his chances, but you're entitled to be a little peeved if you perceive a less than genuine effort to back up those claims.

I suppose you could argue that Haye simply couldn't get going against Wlad, and found himself at a loss, but you'd have wished to see him go hell for leather in the last couple of rounds at the very least and risk being thumped, for the sake of having a desperate last ditch effort to win.

Compare Danny Williams' ill feted effort against Vitali - sure, he got annihilated, but by god did he give it a go, he got off his ass seven times and kept on throwing bombs in the hope he would land a bingo punch and turn the fight. When asked why he endured such a shellaking before being stopped he summed it up perfectly 'this was for the heavyweight championship of the world.'

Haye has earned easily 10 times what Williams has earned, and has won two sets of world title belts at two weights, however i will remember Williams' career with a great deal more affection than I do Haye's. I'm sure Haye will enjoy a far more lucrative and cushy retirement that poor old Danny, who seems determined to fight on until the last drop of resistance is punched out of him, so I guess you'd have to say Haye is clearly the smarter man.

i remember the danny vit fight Jim, sat with you both of us going stay down danny please stay down.

too brave for his own good that night.

Too true. He showed tremendous capacity to absorb punishment. Watching it again today I think the ref showed a bit too much bravery on his behalf, should have been stopped sooner.

Hows tricks J, long time no see mate, may be in Grenada later this year, might pop over to see ya if I am cant be that expensive to fly between the two.

[Final round]

As soon as the term 'conned' is rolled out for Haye I switch off, it's the type of reaction that belongs on The Sun's letters page not on a boxing forum populated by people who follow the sport closely and have a supposedly good idea of what certain fighters can actually do and what they say they can do.

I never bought the Audley fight, a too obvious outcome and was disappointed in the result against Wlad but couldn't quite and still can't understand the sheer negativity for Haye's performance who was at a sheer disadvantage but took some big shots but gave some back and stood in there with Wlad for the full twelve which pissed off Klitchsko no end.

Stood there?!! He basically avoided Wlad like the plague for majority of the fight.

Avoided his punches yes, it was the sensible thing to do really. He plainly struggled with Wlad's size and surprising speed so did what he thought he could do in the circumstances, which obviously wasn't enough .
The problem is some people wanted to see Haye go winging in like Mike Tyson which he's never done and others wanted to see him put his head on the block like a moron and get knocked spark out. When neither happened everyone was pissed!

[J]

Well horses for courses I guess. Personally I don't pay for fights I think are going to be dull or contribute to the wages of fighters I feel have mugged people off.

Haye is clearly not a coward, the man is a professional fighter, but his career at heavyweight has left me rather underwhelmed. You can't blame a man for hyping up his chances, but you're entitled to be a little peeved if you perceive a less than genuine effort to back up those claims.

I suppose you could argue that Haye simply couldn't get going against Wlad, and found himself at a loss, but you'd have wished to see him go hell for leather in the last couple of rounds at the very least and risk being thumped, for the sake of having a desperate last ditch effort to win.

Compare Danny Williams' ill feted effort against Vitali - sure, he got annihilated, but by god did he give it a go, he got off his ass seven times and kept on throwing bombs in the hope he would land a bingo punch and turn the fight. When asked why he endured such a shellaking before being stopped he summed it up perfectly 'this was for the heavyweight championship of the world.'

Haye has earned easily 10 times what Williams has earned, and has won two sets of world title belts at two weights, however i will remember Williams' career with a great deal more affection than I do Haye's. I'm sure Haye will enjoy a far more lucrative and cushy retirement that poor old Danny, who seems determined to fight on until the last drop of resistance is punched out of him, so I guess you'd have to say Haye is clearly the smarter man.

i remember the danny vit fight Jim, sat with you both of us going stay down danny please stay down.

too brave for his own good that night.

Too true. He showed tremendous capacity to absorb punishment. Watching it again today I think the ref showed a bit too much bravery on his behalf, should have been stopped sooner.

Hows tricks J, long time no see mate, may be in Grenada later this year, might pop over to see ya if I am cant be that expensive to fly between the two.

NEED TO BE PRE AUGUST MATE, BCK TO BLIGHTY OR ROTTERDAM!

pm me if so ill check flights for ya LIAT ae the company.


Im ok mate had enough here to be honest 3 years was enough missing my live boxing and mates.

tho im off to see shabba next weekend.

Im in uk soon night out beers 22nd? Let me know if you are up for it mate

[Finch]

Can someone please tell me how Haye was in any way at fault for the Audley fiasco? He was telling everyone he'd knock Audley out early, everyone knew he'd knock Audley out early. Sky tried to hype the fitht into some sort of 50/50 fight, as did Audley. Everyone knew it was a mis-match.

After the fight, I didn't hear anyone blaming Haye, all the blame was directed at Audley. Since the Klit fight, Haye seems to be getting a large proportion of the blame.

[JC]

Can someone please tell me how Haye was in any way at fault for the Audley fiasco? He was telling everyone he'd knock Audley out early, everyone knew he'd knock Audley out early. Sky tried to hype the fitht into some sort of 50/50 fight, as did Audley. Everyone knew it was a mis-match.

After the fight, I didn't hear anyone blaming Haye, all the blame was directed at Audley. Since the Klit fight, Haye seems to be getting a large proportion of the blame.

Well I suppose you could argue Haye was partly at fault for fighting Audley for the ££, when he could have fought a more deserving challenger. Not really my view but you could make the argument.

[Finch]

Can someone please tell me how Haye was in any way at fault for the Audley fiasco? He was telling everyone he'd knock Audley out early, everyone knew he'd knock Audley out early. Sky tried to hype the fitht into some sort of 50/50 fight, as did Audley. Everyone knew it was a mis-match.

After the fight, I didn't hear anyone blaming Haye, all the blame was directed at Audley. Since the Klit fight, Haye seems to be getting a large proportion of the blame.

Well I suppose you could argue Haye was partly at fault for fighting Audley for the ££, when he could have fought a more deserving challenger. Not really my view but you could make the argument.

Boxer in no-risk high earner fight shocker!

[jamesmcdonnell]

i remember the danny vit fight Jim, sat with you both of us going stay down danny please stay down.

too brave for his own good that night.

Too true. He showed tremendous capacity to absorb punishment. Watching it again today I think the ref showed a bit too much bravery on his behalf, should have been stopped sooner.

Hows tricks J, long time no see mate, may be in Grenada later this year, might pop over to see ya if I am cant be that expensive to fly between the two.

NEED TO BE PRE AUGUST MATE, BCK TO BLIGHTY OR ROTTERDAM!

pm me if so ill check flights for ya LIAT ae the company.


Im ok mate had enough here to be honest 3 years was enough missing my live boxing and mates.

tho im off to see shabba next weekend.

Im in uk soon night out beers 22nd? Let me know if you are up for it mate

probably march april time.

[J]

ooh that sounds good wife and kids back then also lets talk

[Bard of Boxrec]

I suppose you could argue that Haye simply couldn't get going against Wlad, and found himself at a loss, but you'd have wished to see him go hell for leather in the last couple of rounds at the very least and risk being thumped, for the sake of having a desperate last ditch effort to win.

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haye landed by far the best shot of the fight in the 12th round, but you're right, it was too little too late. Infuriating because Wlad was hurt at that point. Two rounds earlier and we could have had a different outcome.

[thepocketrocket]

I suppose you could argue that Haye simply couldn't get going against Wlad, and found himself at a loss, but you'd have wished to see him go hell for leather in the last couple of rounds at the very least and risk being thumped, for the sake of having a desperate last ditch effort to win.

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haye landed by far the best shot of the fight in the 12th round, but you're right, it was too little too late. Infuriating because Wlad was hurt at that point. Two rounds earlier and we could have had a different outcome.

Don't go on like Wlad was out on his feet haha! Wlad was stung, held and dominated the rest of the round.

Haye would have been knocked out if he had gone for it, but at least he would have gone for it....Seriously though, we don't need any revisionsism here, Wlad was never in trouble

[crusader]

Wlad wasn't nearly as hurt as a lot of people want to believe. If he was seriouly hurt why was he completely steady and throwing punches at Haye just ten seconds later?

[crusader]

I suppose you could argue that Haye simply couldn't get going against Wlad, and found himself at a loss, but you'd have wished to see him go hell for leather in the last couple of rounds at the very least and risk being thumped, for the sake of having a desperate last ditch effort to win.

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haye landed by far the best shot of the fight in the 12th round, but you're right, it was too little too late. Infuriating because Wlad was hurt at that point. Two rounds earlier and we could have had a different outcome.

Don't go on like Wlad was out on his feet haha! Wlad was stung, held and dominated the rest of the round.

Haye would have been knocked out if he had gone for it, but at least he would have gone for it....Seriously though, we don't need any revisionsism here, Wlad was never in trouble

Beat me to it. People are talking about something that never happened. Wlad wasn't in big trouble at all.

[thepocketrocket]

haye landed by far the best shot of the fight in the 12th round, but you're right, it was too little too late. Infuriating because Wlad was hurt at that point. Two rounds earlier and we could have had a different outcome.

Don't go on like Wlad was out on his feet haha! Wlad was stung, held and dominated the rest of the round.

Haye would have been knocked out if he had gone for it, but at least he would have gone for it....Seriously though, we don't need any revisionsism here, Wlad was never in trouble

Beat me to it. People are talking about something that never happened. Wlad wasn't in big trouble at all.

It's doing my head in

[keithmoonhangover]

I was gutted after the Wladimir - Haye fight.

I still want to see Haye - Vitali.

I hope Haye throws a lot more punches.

I want Haye to win.

I will not be paying to watch it.

[Finn]

Well horses for courses I guess. Personally I don't pay for fights I think are going to be dull or contribute to the wages of fighters I feel have mugged people off.

Haye is clearly not a coward, the man is a professional fighter, but his career at heavyweight has left me rather underwhelmed. You can't blame a man for hyping up his chances, but you're entitled to be a little peeved if you perceive a less than genuine effort to back up those claims.

I suppose you could argue that Haye simply couldn't get going against Wlad, and found himself at a loss, but you'd have wished to see him go hell for leather in the last couple of rounds at the very least and risk being thumped, for the sake of having a desperate last ditch effort to win.

Compare Danny Williams' ill feted effort against Vitali - sure, he got annihilated, but by god did he give it a go, he got off his ass seven times and kept on throwing bombs in the hope he would land a bingo punch and turn the fight. When asked why he endured such a shellaking before being stopped he summed it up perfectly 'this was for the heavyweight championship of the world.'

Haye has earned easily 10 times what Williams has earned, and has won two sets of world title belts at two weights, however i will remember Williams' career with a great deal more affection than I do Haye's. I'm sure Haye will enjoy a far more lucrative and cushy retirement that poor old Danny, who seems determined to fight on until the last drop of resistance is punched out of him, so I guess you'd have to say Haye is clearly the smarter man.

You hold a man who was destroyed by audley harrisons' career in higher regards than that of the unified cruiser weight world champion and heavy weight world champions? - that really to me shows the mentality of the people who dont want haye v vitali to happen.

These people would rather watch wlad v mormeck than vitali v haye, and think £15 is too much money for a night in with the lads - loners, glory hunters or kooks the lot of them.

Yes the rest of us are mindless brainwashed saps who are linning the pockets of a slick trickster who gained the world championship silver medal, english title, EBU title, wbc, wba, wbo and ring cruiser weight titles and then won the wba hw world title all in a ploy to con us out of our £15 for the wlad fight; which he had no intention of winning. Wow talk about the long con. How could i have been so blind. of course it could be that he got the tactics badly wrong or wlad was just too good? no wait that would be insane- he must be a con man.

Paul Newman eat your heart out.

[Finn]

earsjohn - can I ask why? why, if the fight went exactly how you predicted did you want to buy it.

I'm simply asking cause normally the true beauty of PPV's is they are supposed to be close to 50:50 with a case made for both men. I think the beauty of Haye as a PPV fighter is his vulnerability.... and Audley might have been able to catch him.

Maybe not "exactly how I predicted", but there was no surprise in the outcome. I wanted to watch the fight, that's why I bought it. I have wanted to watch all of David Hayes fights since his early pro days. I spend my money on things I want to enjoy.

I have no problem with others who decide that they don't think the fight is worth buying. But the difference is that I wouldn't call them a mug in the event it turns into an all time classic fight of the century contender. The mugs are those who buy one thing expecting another. Call me one-eyed, suggest I have poor taste in boxers but don't suggest that I have been conned when I haven't.

spot on. However i didnt feel i was conned when haye didnt produce against wlad. I only felt conned that he had promised us he was going to try his best to beat the klitschkos then after a bad showing (which was still the best showing of any recent K2 opponent) retired. I paid money to follow his career on that promise; to retire without fulfilling it could be called a con or at the very least a mugging off of his fans. If haye is going to go back and give it his all then he has fulfilled his promise regardless of if he losses in the 1st round imo.

[Bard of Boxrec]

Ok, so hurt was maybe a little strong. Doesn't change anything, but Wlad was definitely rocked, more than anything he did to Haye. and it was the best punch of the fight.

[stujones]

earsjohn - can I ask why? why, if the fight went exactly how you predicted did you want to buy it.

I'm simply asking cause normally the true beauty of PPV's is they are supposed to be close to 50:50 with a case made for both men. I think the beauty of Haye as a PPV fighter is his vulnerability.... and Audley might have been able to catch him.

Maybe not "exactly how I predicted", but there was no surprise in the outcome. I wanted to watch the fight, that's why I bought it. I have wanted to watch all of David Hayes fights since his early pro days. I spend my money on things I want to enjoy.

I have no problem with others who decide that they don't think the fight is worth buying. But the difference is that I wouldn't call them a mug in the event it turns into an all time classic fight of the century contender. The mugs are those who buy one thing expecting another. Call me one-eyed, suggest I have poor taste in boxers but don't suggest that I have been conned when I haven't.

spot on. However i didnt feel i was conned when haye didnt produce against wlad. I only felt conned that he had promised us he was going to try his best to beat the klitschkos then after a bad showing (which was still the best showing of any recent K2 opponent) retired. I paid money to follow his career on that promise; to retire without fulfilling it could be called a con or at the very least a mugging off of his fans. If haye is going to go back and give it his all then he has fulfilled his promise regardless of if he losses in the 1st round imo.

Sonsowski and Adamek went out on their sheild. Sosnowski might have even won a couple of rounds against Vitali - but at least both clearly fought their heart out.

[tonyevs]

Haye is very much in it for the money not the glory .. which is ok I guess. Just don`t expect me to pay towards it

Absolute no interest in seeing this fight. If this is the best the division can offer. Then the division does not deserve my attention. Win lose or draw .. I don`t give a f*%k

I don`t blame the Klitschko`s .. or even Haye come to think of it. They are only milking the mugs who are willing to buy into it and pay for it.