British & Irish Top 30 P4P December 2011

[Horse]

1. (1.) Carl Froch
2. (2.) Amir Khan
3. (5.) Ricky Burns
4. (3.) David Haye
5. (4.) Nathan Cleverly
6. (6.) Matthew Macklin
7. (7.) Brian Magee (Irish)
8. (8.) Jamie McDonnell
9. (9.) Kevin Mitchell
10. (10.) Andy Lee (Irish)

11. (11.) Kell Brook
12. (12.) Rendall Munroe
13. (13.) Matthew Hatton
14. (14.) Ola Afolabi
15. (17.) Ryan Rhodes
16. (22.) George Groves
17. (15.) Darren Barker
18. (16.) Paul McCloskey (Irish)
19. (21.) Tyson Fury
20. (18.) John Murray

21. (19.) Gavin Rees
22. (20.) John Simpson
23. (23.) James DeGale
24. (24.) Ajose Olusegun
25. (RE.) Anthony Crolla
26. (25.) Tony Bellew
27. (26.) Scott Quigg
28. (RE.) Colin Lynes
29. (27.) Ashley Theophane
30. (28.) Gary Buckland

Out - (29.) Lee Selby
Out - (30.) Liam Walsh

[Horse]

Any comments, criticisms or P4P lists are very welcome.

[J]

groves and lee need to swap places imo.

[Londonirish]

No room for Martin Murry 23-0 British and Commonwealth Champ Fighting the WBA Title..........

[Newport Daz]

Excellent list, top stuff. Selby a little unlucky, but presumably he'll be back in if he beats Simpson?

[Horse]

groves and lee need to swap places imo.

Lee has beaten better opposition than Groves. If Groves keeps on fighting and beating good opponents like he has been then he will enter the top 10 fairly soon.

[Camcas]

Think McDonnell is a little to high and Degale a little. But Hatton is way to high not even sure he should be on the list

[Horse]

No room for Martin Murry 23-0 British and Commonwealth Champ Fighting the WBA Title..........

Martin Murray's opposition is not good enough for him to enter the top 30. If he does well against Sturm tomorrow then he will probably enter.

[Horse]

Who changed the name of this thread?

[IRLangmaid25]

Nathan Cleverly should be above David Haye following his recent win over Bomber and perhaps Georges Groves should be a little higher as well after stopping Paul Smith in his last fight too.

[Horse]

Excellent list, top stuff. Selby a little unlucky, but presumably he'll be back in if he beats Simpson?

If he beats Simpson he will re-enter the rankings.

[J]

groves and lee need to swap places imo.

Lee has beaten better opposition than Groves. If Groves keeps on fighting and beating good opponents like he has been then he will enter the top 10 fairly soon.

Thats heavily debateable I wouldnt rank Mccewan over a degale for instance no vera over smigga.

[Horse]

Think McDonnell is a little to high and Degale a little.

McDonnell is the British, Commonwealth & European champion and the clear No. 1 in Britain. I think McDonnell deserves a place in the top 10.

DeGale is the European champion. I entered him lower than I have entered any other European champion in the past, so I don't think he should be any lower. I think his current position is fair considering that those above him have achieved more than him.

But Hatton is way to high not even sure he should be on the list

I think Hatton deserves a place on the list, his record is pretty solid.

[Camcas]

Think McDonnell is a little to high and Degale a little.

McDonnell is the British, Commonwealth & European champion and the clear No. 1 in Britain. I think McDonnell deserves a place in the top 10.

DeGale is the European champion. I entered him lower than I have entered any other European champion in the past, so I don't think he should be any lower. I think his current position is fair considering that those above him have achieved more than him.

But Hatton is way to high not even sure he should be on the list

I think Hatton deserves a place on the list, his record is pretty solid.

I meant Degale a little low woops! Can see why Mcdonnell is so high when you think about it. Im not sure about Hatton but we'll disagree

[Horse]

Nathan Cleverly should be above David Haye following his recent win over Bomber

Haye's only wins in the last two years are against Ruiz and Harrison, whereas Cleverly has wins against Brancalion, Murat, Mohammedi, Kuziemski & Bellew. So Cleverly has better wins in the last two years, but Haye has had a much better career and faced much better opposition.

Cleverly's best opponent so far is Murat who was only a lower top 10 ranked fighter. Haye has fought the best in his division twice (Klitschko & Mormeck) and two other top 5 ranked fighters (Maccarinelli & Valuev).

If Cleverly beats a World class opponent in his next fight then I will probably move him ahead of Haye, due to Haye's lack of good wins recently, but if Cleverly fights a weak opponent then I probably won't.

and perhaps Georges Groves should be a little higher as well after stopping Paul Smith in his last fight too.

I moved Groves up 6 places after his win against Smith, which I think is enough for a win like that.

[Horse]

groves and lee need to swap places imo.

Lee has beaten better opposition than Groves. If Groves keeps on fighting and beating good opponents like he has been then he will enter the top 10 fairly soon.

Thats heavily debateable I wouldnt rank Mccewan over a degale for instance no vera over smigga.

It is not obvious one way or the other, but I think that Lee's record is slightly better overall.

I would say that Lee's wins against Vera and McEwan are at about the same level with Groves win against DeGale. I would also say that the Smith, Anderson and Belghecham wins are below that level.

[Horse]

I meant Degale a little low woops! Can see why Mcdonnell is so high when you think about it. Im not sure about Hatton but we'll disagree

[damianhucker1]

I honestly never thought id see Ricky Burns listed as our uk No3 Lb4Lb on any list , but at this point i really can not argue after his Katsidis win , Still not fully sold on him but i can recognise his acheivements so far .

[dutchie]

Cant understand how Hatton is still on the list,he is an average boxer!!!!

[Wake up call]

I'd have Kell Brook higher and Andy Lee lower (if on the list at all considering he's been based in the US for so long that he doesn't qualify for the European title).

[Horse]

Cant understand how Hatton is still on the list,he is an average boxer!!!!

He is a former European champion who managed to go the distance with Alvarez which neither Rhodes, Gomez or Cintron could subsequently manage.

[Horse]

I'd have Kell Brook higher and Andy Lee lower (if on the list at all considering he's been based in the US for so long that he doesn't qualify for the European title).

Brook's opposition has not really been very good. I think his position is fair considering his lack of big wins.

Andy Lee's position is quite generous, but looking at those below him in the rankings, I don't think his current ranking is wrong.

[Camcas]

I'd have Kell Brook higher and Andy Lee lower (if on the list at all considering he's been based in the US for so long that he doesn't qualify for the European title).

Brook's opposition has not really been very good. I think his position is fair considering his lack of big wins.

Andy Lee's position is quite generous, but looking at those below him in the rankings, I don't think his current ranking is wrong.

He beat a world rated fighter last time out without breaking a sweat?

[Horse]

Brook's opposition has not really been very good. I think his position is fair considering his lack of big wins.

Andy Lee's position is quite generous, but looking at those below him in the rankings, I don't think his current ranking is wrong.

He beat a world rated fighter last time out without breaking a sweat?

Jackiewicz looked like junk, despite his decent ranking. If Brook is going to avoid the British and European scene then he has to fight a good level of international opponent to enter the top 10 and opponents like N'dou and Jackiewicz are not top notch, big name wins.

[Horse]

I honestly never thought id see Ricky Burns listed as our uk No3 Lb4Lb on any list , but at this point i really can not argue after his Katsidis win , Still not fully sold on him but i can recognise his acheivements so far .

x2 the way johanson broke him down i thought it was absolutely convinced katsidis would do the same(lost a lot of money on it) i would have laughed at anyone who said future top 30 a while back but he deserves hes spot and good on him

I think Burns has shown his potential ability to be at least a top 30 P4P British fighter since 2005 when he beat Graham Earl. I wouldn't have predicted that he would ever be a top 3 P4P British fighter, but he has shown that he is a good domestic level or above fighter for many years.