bad mamma jamma wrote:
yeah she oughta think about the stray dogs that cnt used to get hold of and use for his dog to rip apart in "training" for his dog's fights. karma is a bitch. Benn is a gent and a real man, not like that little faggot
Maybe take a leaf out of Benns book then, before you go shoutin ya mouth of like that, total disrespect!
i respect people who show others, including all kinds of beings, respect. mclellan had no respect for animals at the very least so he can go and eff himself. would you show respect to serial killers, rapists, paedo's? no. so why show respect to someone who killed animals for a laugh? same shit to me.
I think its exaggerated the dog killing stuff every story has the same source near enough, I can think of things iv done that people would deem worse than his dog fighting crap. i dnt think animal cruelty is the same as human cruelty either, i know that opinion wont be shared by many but i dnt care.
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I might be wrong but didn't his family go against medical advice and take him back to the States too early when he might have recovered if he'd stayed put? As I said, I could be getting mixed up here. Plus, even if I have read that it could be bollocks, of course.
Yep you're right according to Buncey.
Thanks for the heads up on the programme Syntax:TU:
Buncey had a chat with Lueshing about McLellan on his show - auctioning off his WBC belt from Jackson fight (apologies if this was mentioned on another thread) and I think the deadline is just after this ITV programme
Cardiff-Lad1 wrote:Just quickly rewatched it and it does appear that Benns backwards motion out of the ring was stopped by the commentators and looking at the timing, it was at about 11 or 12 seconds before he got back through the ropes to continue fighting......
Take nothing away from Benn though, hes a warrior and taking away the tragic ending, one of my favourite ever fights!
Also - The Ref had a f*cking MARE in this fight!
I've heard this loads about the commentators helping him back in the ring, I've seen it numerous times and I think they're barely touching him. He clearly gets back up, and in the ring of his own will and volition. Even watching it again I find it hard to believe people think he was helped into the ring.
The ref was shocking in the first round with getting in the way to commence fighting, not the worst thing I've ever seen a ref do in a ring but Benn benefited from it even if it was just seconds.
It was minimal but i thought the fighters was not allowed to be helped (and i use that term VERY loosely) regardless?? I agree that its bearely touching him but ultimately they did, so the question will always be asked...
Still doesn't explain the long count though....
Don't you get 15 seconds to get up if you fall out of the ring?
MCClellan`s sister saying she didn`t know how Benn can sleep at night after what he "did" to her brother was out of order.
understandably she is upset and bitter, but it is not Benn`s fault. They were both boxers giving their all and what happened was not intentional, nor something that Benn took any pleasure from at all.
I'm sure Benn lives with the pain of what happened to McClellan every day of his life. So to have that said about him is bang out of order. It was sport, he didn't enter the ring to deliberately destoy Gerald's life and she should realise that.
I'll look forward to watching this though.
Captain Hook wrote:Buncey had a chat with Lueshing about McLellan on his show - auctioning off his WBC belt from Jackson fight (apologies if this was mentioned on another thread) and I think the deadline is just after this ITV programme
Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I might be wrong but didn't his family go against medical advice and take him back to the States too early when he might have recovered if he'd stayed put? As I said, I could be getting mixed up here. Plus, even if I have read that it could be bollocks, of course.
Utterly compelling encounter. I remember going to school on the Monday, and trying to explain to my mate - who was also a boxing fan but had missed it for whatever reason - just what had happened. But words didn't seem enough to convey the sheer drama, bravery and brutality that unfolded that night. Like a lot of people, I feel guilty saying this because of the tragic ending, but it probably remains the best i've seen in a British ring.
I watched this live on ITV when I was 13. It was without doubt the most brutal, compelling and ultimately tragic fight I've ever seen. I remember at the time of the fight feeling a real hatred for McClellan and wanting Benn to do him some real damage. However, it does make you feel guilty for having that sort of bloodlust when you see the tragic consequences of the fight. Really looking forward to the documentary.
Captain Hook wrote:Buncey had a chat with Lueshing about McLellan on his show - auctioning off his WBC belt from Jackson fight (apologies if this was mentioned on another thread) and I think the deadline is just after this ITV programme
Where is it being auctioned to?
Doesn't seem to be an actual bidding process which could be at its detriment....
Tragic fighter Gerald McClellan's actual WBC middleweight title is to be auctioned off to raise money for the two-time world champion who still struggles with daily life since his final fight with Nigel Benn in 1995.
The American was challenging Benn for WBC super-middleweight belt in London, but was stopped in the 10th round of the contest, which resulted in McClellan, 27 at the time, suffering permanent injuries in the aftermath.
Now the ‘The G-Man’ has placed his WBC middleweight belt from his 1993 victory over Julian Jackson in the hands of sports agent Kevin Lueshing, who is taking offers for the belt and will hand it over to the highest bidder.
Any interested parties should call 01922 451332 for more information.
I spoke to Lueshing after I missed [the deadline] for all Benn's gear being sold off and he said they still had his WBO middleweight belt up for grabs.
I have been involved in boxing for a long time and attended this fight as a fan. As strange as it may seem my overiding memory of this night is not the fight(which when i watched later would rival any great fight before or since) but the atmosphere flowed thru the crowd like a current building up to a frenzy when Benn entered to those chimes. I also felt something else in the crowd that i have never felt before, 12000 people with extremely bad intentions towards the G man. I have been to many football games and fights with racial,geographical and social divides where you witness what seems genuine hatred toward your opposition but never anything like this.AsI i left the arena that night and started to learn of Geralds condition i felt that we as supporters had in someway contributed to the Americans demise, by creating that cauldron of, dare i say it hate towards this man. Ian's comment about the Benn fan stuck a chord as i heard many such comments and shouts from up in "the gods". Obviously Nigel was never the same but i still watched him to the end and never begrudged him his lame or tame displays after the GM fight he had given more than any fighter should have to the ring. Godbless to both men.
I was at function a few months ago and Benn showed no remorse regarding the fight, he was actually quite bitter about the fact GM was brought across to the UK to take his belt.
Dioufy wrote:I felt sick and, to be honest, angry when McClennen's sister asked how Benn could sleep at night after what he did.
Bang outta cheese, that.
Agreed. This could easily have happened the other way around. Boxers know the risks and whilst it is tragic it is not appropriate to apportion blame for any consequences of a fight, however bad.
Hagler2002 wrote:I was at function a few months ago and Benn showed no remorse regarding the fight, he was actually quite bitter about the fact GM was brought across to the UK to take his belt.
I saw him a year or two ago mate and it was quite the opposite. Could be dependent on how one catches him, I suppose. But he was full of regret and remorse when I saw him.
I was in row 14 that night and I've never been to anything like it and don't expect to ever again. The atmosphere was just unbelievable in the lead up to the fight and took off when the boxers came to the ring. I'll never forget the roar went up when Benn turned to his corner and pumped his fist at the end of the second round and the crowd went ballistic.
Both guys fought beyond the call of duty and it was one of those occasions when a fight, like Ali v Frazier III, where the two men's skills are so equal that it goes beyond the realms of a boxing match and turns into a pure struggle for survival. The sound of their boots gripping the canvas is a noise I'll never forget and when McClellan caught Benn you could feel it through the noise and from about 80 ft away where I was. Benn's willingness to take them and come back just further fuelled the home fans' support for him. McClellan was so brave that night because he had a crowd of 12,000 spurring on a Nigel Benn in the shape of his life to keep coming at him.
The outcome was tragic and funnily enough, there is a picture taken of McClellan walking to the ring that his sister says she looks at and wonders what was going through his mind that night and I had the same feeling when I saw it a few months ago for the first time. Sent a shiver down my spine.
Fighters are so brave and perhaps in this day and age it is up to officials and referees to perhaps err on the side of caution and protect the boxers to at least prevent this kind of accident from happening. I see many people jumping on a referee for stopping fights too soon.
This documentary is a timely reminder that you can never stop a fight too early when you are the man who is closest to the action and could be in a position to save a fighter's life, or at least save him to fight another day. Same goes for an official, doctor, and of course the trainer (arguably the hardest position to be in when judging a fighter's condition to carry on, having an invested interest in the outcome and being so close to your charge).
I wrote that last post, then go to home page with video ad promoting Roy Jones Jnr's next fight. Again, fighters need protecting from the people who matter the most. Themselves. Just so sad that he can't call it a day and the people who are involved with him and fights which are just going to damage him now should be ashamed of themselves.
If a boxer goes down he is given up to 10 seconds before he is counted out, even if he is half way out of the ring and through the ropes.
If he is completely out of the ring and on the floor he is then given 20 seconds to get back in and be in a position to defend himself, there is no such thing as a 15 second count.
That is the ruling from The Board of Control.
I was ten feet away from where Benn, got knocked down in the 1st. Had a lad on after, thought fornicate that didnt last long, Got up to go back to the Dressing room. Sat back down when the ref said Box. Next 30 mins was as exciting as Ive seen and more. Think it was the seventh when, Nigel went down, thinking thats it, but Hell He gave it a Go. Then He came Back unbelievable, when it was stopped, I have to admit I thought McClellan had Bottled it. Felt Terrible, after thinking that, what a Fight.
