Is It time For Green to hang up the gloves?

[thunderfromdownunder]

...so you can run them down now.

always trying to start arguments. Act your age buddy

Are you saying that being an Australian boxer who holds a title is not a target for you? I have seen your comments in " Current Scene" so give it a rest.

But you "run down" Anthony Mundine all the time. Double standards. Twat

[Brute]

I cannot understand why Mundine keeps wasting down from where he held a world title at Super Middleweight. It makes no sense.

[thunderfromdownunder]

that we can agree on. He hasnt looked good in any fight below 168. His biggest achievement is squeaking out a questionable decision over a much less experienced Daniel geale

[Grant]

I cannot understand why Mundine keeps wasting down from where he held a world title at Super Middleweight. It makes no sense.

Yo ain't on your own their Brute. I would love to have someone ask 'the great man' about the true reason why the mandatory with Kessler didn't happen.

Happy Christmas, Hannuka, and Holidays to all my friends on Boxrec.

[boxheadtrinidad]

two stoppages in a row is a good indicator. He should focus on promoting. Its time for us to turn our attention to tomlinson, dib and geale.

...so you can run them down now.

always trying to start arguments. Act your age buddy

Brute is a F***wit... 60year old man my arse

[bigred83]

I cannot understand why Mundine keeps wasting down from where he held a world title at Super Middleweight. It makes no sense.

much as i respect your posts here brute, im unsure as to why your surprised why mundine decides to run from true challenges????
surely its onvious isnt it?
he is a very good talent, that has no heart.
i had a convo with my father today, who is a casual(very casual at that) boxing fan, and had mentioned exactly this point. if mundine had backed his words up then i would follow the guy, but he doesnt, how long has it been now since he promised to go to the U.S and fight the best? clearly he has no heart, or knows his limitations. and after seeing danny the other night i feel he may be the opposite, eg has TONNES of heart, but may not know his limitations.

[Brute]

...so you can run them down now.

always trying to start arguments. Act your age buddy

Brute is a F***wit... 60year old man my arse

Well spoken little turd, aren't you?

[Brute]

I cannot understand why Mundine keeps wasting down from where he held a world title at Super Middleweight. It makes no sense.

much as i respect your posts here brute, im unsure as to why your surprised why mundine decides to run from true challenges????
surely its onvious isnt it?
he is a very good talent, that has no heart.
i had a convo with my father today, who is a casual(very casual at that) boxing fan, and had mentioned exactly this point. if mundine had backed his words up then i would follow the guy, but he doesnt, how long has it been now since he promised to go to the U.S and fight the best? clearly he has no heart, or knows his limitations. and after seeing danny the other night i feel he may be the opposite, eg has TONNES of heart, but may not know his limitations.

He held the title. I am not surprised he did not fight the top super middleweights, it is the moving down that much in weight that surprised me. He was gaunt at 12 stone now he is down to eleven stone. That is more than 2 stone less than when he was playing Rugby League.

[bigred83]

I cannot understand why Mundine keeps wasting down from where he held a world title at Super Middleweight. It makes no sense.

much as i respect your posts here brute, im unsure as to why your surprised why mundine decides to run from true challenges????
surely its onvious isnt it?
he is a very good talent, that has no heart.
i had a convo with my father today, who is a casual(very casual at that) boxing fan, and had mentioned exactly this point. if mundine had backed his words up then i would follow the guy, but he doesnt, how long has it been now since he promised to go to the U.S and fight the best? clearly he has no heart, or knows his limitations. and after seeing danny the other night i feel he may be the opposite, eg has TONNES of heart, but may not know his limitations.

He held the title. I am not surprised he did not fight the top super middleweights, it is the moving down that much in weight that surprised me. He was gaunt at 12 stone now he is down to eleven stone. That is more than 2 stone less than when he was playing Rugby League.

be nearly 3 wouldnt it???? he played at 86-88kg. now im too young to know a lot about imperial measures, and quite happy to be corrected.
i think he moved down more because he could rather than it being good for his career. he isnt dumb, surely he knew that moving down from a good healthy weight to fight wasnt a great idea, but he kept doing it because it meant he could avoid challenges and he could keep maing easy money.
didnt he hold the regualr title while kessler/calzaghe held the "super" title? if so then for me it dont count much.

[Hounddawg]

Can we stop talking about Mundine, this is a real fighters thread, a guy who's put it on the line for his fans.

In no way should Mundine until he proves himself be mentioned along side Green now.....cue "but Mundine beat the hell out of his skeletal ass"...Green has done what his fans wanted and put himself out there and test himself... when Mundine does this he can then hijack great Australian fighters threads.

[Brute]

Mundine was a five eight. He was over 13 stone when he was playing. 86 kilos is roughly thirteen and a half stone, he might have weighed that much. His father Tony had to move up to light heavyweight from middleweight in his early 20s because it was too hard for him to make 11 stone 6 pounds.

Super middleweight did not exist then.

[bigred83]

yes brute he wouldve weighed that much. i played fullback and 5/8 when i was growing up(quit at 15 for track and field) but i was 6' tall and 70kg as a kid. after working with RL players i know they do a lot fo training for mass gaining even for HB's and 5/8s(look at langer)

apart from that, touche dawg, i agree. sorry

[Hounddawg]

My appoligies, however i feel that Green has proved himself to be in a different mould to Mundine and as long as you suffocate Mundine talk, he'll eventually have to take a chance.

Green had the Briggs fight to show him the light nd Mundine plucking a Kellogs title recently doesn't mean we should be talking about him, when he takes on Trout then Cotto, he'll have peoples respect.

[hearns]

I've had a chance to digest the evening and i wouldn't be disappointed if he continued.

Yeah at lt Heavy and super middle he had a indestructable chin, and age has probably played into fitness problems and proved that invincabilty doesn't exist at the heavier weights.

Can he come back....sure why not,but seroiusly needs to learn that boxing can be used at higher weights and knocking everyone out is not an option.

I actually want Green to fight the guy again without coming into the fight already tender(blackeye), and without Hyder in the corner, from Salas to hyder....wow.

Maybe a couple of domestic fights very quickly, if he should lose again, pack it in, but build confidence again then have a shot 1 more time.

Losing Green in Australian boxing would be massive, maybe stop trying to be a an absolute nutter when it comes to preparation, i have no doubt Green is the better fighter of the 2.

Could you name these one punch ko artists who convinced you Green had an INDESTRUCTABLE CHIN. Was it Drewes,Griffin,Niekerk, Sullivan, maybe Beyer FFS.
You have used every excuse known to man for each time Green has lost. Robbed,Weight drained,Operations,Wrong trainers,Wrong preparations, Tender black eyes, Fitness,Old age. If Hyder had not stopped the Tarver fight Danny would have ended up like the G man and Tarver is a part time fighter. How much more did you want Wlod to bash him to convince you he is not in their league. One more time at what.............getting the crap belted out of him,so you can say he had some great cards and you got your monies worth. Let it go, Danny can't handle 200 pound fighters who can whack, its that simple.

[Hounddawg]

I've had a chance to digest the evening and i wouldn't be disappointed if he continued.

Yeah at lt Heavy and super middle he had a indestructable chin, and age has probably played into fitness problems and proved that invincabilty doesn't exist at the heavier weights.

Can he come back....sure why not,but seroiusly needs to learn that boxing can be used at higher weights and knocking everyone out is not an option.

I actually want Green to fight the guy again without coming into the fight already tender(blackeye), and without Hyder in the corner, from Salas to hyder....wow.

Maybe a couple of domestic fights very quickly, if he should lose again, pack it in, but build confidence again then have a shot 1 more time.

Losing Green in Australian boxing would be massive, maybe stop trying to be a an absolute nutter when it comes to preparation, i have no doubt Green is the better fighter of the 2.

Could you name these one punch ko artists who convinced you Green had an INDESTRUCTABLE CHIN. Was it Drewes,Griffin,Niekerk, Sullivan, maybe Beyer FFS.
You have used every excuse known to man for each time Green has lost. Robbed,Weight drained,Operations,Wrong trainers,Wrong preparations, Tender black eyes, Fitness,Old age. If Hyder had not stopped the Tarver fight Danny would have ended up like the G man and Tarver is a part time fighter. How much more did you want Wlod to bash him to convince you he is not in their league. One more time at what.............getting the crap belted out of him,so you can say he had some great cards and you got your monies worth. Let it go, Danny can't handle 200 pound fighters who can whack, its that simple.

No excuses mate, he got beat fair both times, not complaining about that, but facts are facts and they'll stand a lot longer than you and me, i know you've got Mundine and thats great.

Facts are facts Hearns, and every fighter has a story, and i think they should be considered when evaluating weather a man should hang em up.

Did you see the fight,weigh in? was there a blackeye? Is that a good thing when entering a fight with a power puncher whom is world champ?

Excuses.....nooo my friend.....facts!

[JSA]

fair go Hearns. Green will never be regarded as a "great of BOXING" but he is a fighter through and through. He did his "bad" in the Briggs fight and perhaps to his regret never just came out fully and said that was shit of me. In retrospect his premature retirement was the end of him. Why? Coz he moved up. He was MUCH naturally smaller than Tarver/ Wlod. And a bigger good fighter will always beat a good smaller fighter. Tossers have been wanking on about his glass jaw etc...... look at some of the shots/counters he took from some of his opponents at lower weights. He was a mongrel fighter- he now isnt. He has moved to a division where he knows he can get KOd and as a result has had to depend on his boxing alone(and even then his power has still generated respect). He just isnt good enough for his boxing to carry him. But doubt the mans heart, power and ability as a fighter is just harsh. Some egotistical toss post Jones, some hyperbole in talking his fights up. GUILTY. But tell ANY potential opponent at SMW/Lt Heavy/Cruiser oh by the way , your facing Danny Green next you think ANY mother FUC*ER gonna say, easy business. Wake up.

I can understand many not being able to get past some of the things Green did in the very recent past. But when you take that in terms of what he and his promotions have/are doing for Aussie boxing and what he did in the early noughties then i will give him some leverage. His promotions are awesome and i will ALWAYS watch him if he choses to fight again because he will give the best of what he has got. And at a bigger division than he has suited well that more often than not will end poorly. BUT- people give him shit for a fight that he was winning and when he was farked(always has seemed to fade) and then got up from a damn clean/hard shot.Did he lay on the canveas-NO. If the ref had let it go would he have still tried. YES.

[JSA]

I can see how many may have been gilted by the Briggs fiasco and its aftermath, the hyperbole and talking some of his opponents up etc but for farks sake.If fighters didnt have egos where would boxing be. He is a fighters fighter. And i truly belive he is a boxers boxer and will endeavour to bring the public great shows WITH or WITHOUT him fighting.Wouldnt be surprised if he carries on. And in a division where your natural style doesnt work and your chin hasnt carried and you are outmatched in natural size but yet still manage to beat a bloody hard nut for 8-9 rounds and still try to get up after being brutally knocked down well...... Geeeeeez. If he does go on i hope he drops down but ,sadly, i think his time has passed. He blew it with his premature retirement. He got on with his career after the Mundine fight but then STOPPED. Then had a crack higher up. And people still give him shit. He did bad(Briggs especially) but honestly tell me which fighter ever stepped in with him and said this is gonna be easy.....NOBODY.Anyone who ever thought about fighting him wouldnt have some nightmares.As if. He just cant depend on his is main winning attributes- power, chin and mongrel , when he fights at cruiser. And he just isnt a good enough boxer to pull it off for 12 rounds where he is naturally the smaller man. But he still gave it a crack.

And even if he retires then he can bring the sporting world very good boxing cards. Geez i hope they continue.

[Mark pawsey]

I don't know if he should retire, but he might be finished at world title level. I have to say that was a good card the other night, so he deffenitly has a future as a promoter. I don't know if the card the other night, could of made it on pay per view if he didn't fight, so maybe he should promote on regular foxtel.

[hearns]

fair go Hearns. Green will never be regarded as a "great of BOXING" but he is a fighter through and through. He did his "bad" in the Briggs fight and perhaps to his regret never just came out fully and said that was shit of me. In retrospect his premature retirement was the end of him. Why? Coz he moved up. He was MUCH naturally smaller than Tarver/ Wlod. And a bigger good fighter will always beat a good smaller fighter. Tossers have been wanking on about his glass jaw etc...... look at some of the shots/counters he took from some of his opponents at lower weights. He was a mongrel fighter- he now isnt. He has moved to a division where he knows he can get KOd and as a result has had to depend on his boxing alone(and even then his power has still generated respect). He just isnt good enough for his boxing to carry him. But doubt the mans heart, power and ability as a fighter is just harsh. Some egotistical toss post Jones, some hyperbole in talking his fights up. GUILTY. But tell ANY potential opponent at SMW/Lt Heavy/Cruiser oh by the way , your facing Danny Green next you think ANY mother FUC*ER gonna say, easy business. Wake up.

I can understand many not being able to get past some of the things Green did in the very recent past. But when you take that in terms of what he and his promotions have/are doing for Aussie boxing and what he did in the early noughties then i will give him some leverage. His promotions are awesome and i will ALWAYS watch him if he choses to fight again because he will give the best of what he has got. And at a bigger division than he has suited well that more often than not will end poorly. BUT- people give him shit for a fight that he was winning and when he was farked(always has seemed to fade) and then got up from a damn clean/hard shot.Did he lay on the canveas-NO. If the ref had let it go would he have still tried. YES.

Again mate you are reading into a post statements that are not in the post. Where have i doubted Greens heart, power or ability. My point was Danny was never this granite chinned awsome power house who dominated S/Middle or Lt. heavy. He did well to get where he did. He has fought 2 of the best cruisers in the world and has come dangerously close to serious damage both times. The thread is titled should Green retire.... I think he should, he has never been tested before by fighters with genuine KO power. I can understand people wanting him to continue because they will support him no matter what.... but watch the final rounds of Tarver and Wlod....... sometimes a blokes heart and courage can lead to very bad ending.

[bollox]

He should retire. At 38 he's well past his prime and the chances of seeing him get seriously hurt increase every time he steps into the ring

We here in Oz have so few truly world class fighters that we often want them to keep fighting for our own sake rather than theirs. The fighter's well being should always be more important

[hearns]

He should retire. At 38 he's well past his prime and the chances of seeing him get seriously hurt increase every time he steps into the ring

We here in Oz have so few truly world class fighters that we often want them to keep fighting for our own sake rather than theirs. The fighter's well being should always be more important

Exactly.

[JSA]

OK- kneejerk reaction to sooooooo much negativity about Green and other fighters. Apologies to you Hearns. Probably copped a barrage that had been building for a while based on so much toss some fill these spaces with ESPECIALLY the bums/wimps type comments(and no- not from you). Shall reserve my angst for those that post it.

As for Green my final comments would be DONT fight at cruiser if you are to fight again. Clearly Green gets stressed out about some of his financial commitments not coming off and i do wonder/fear that he may keep going for a bit longer as he does have a name and if he does fight on his cards then perhaps he will feel a bit more comfortable re the cards working financially. As there are so few other big names here(and the others that do exist are promoted under a different banner) he may feel there is a time period to fill before other up and comers(such as Wild Will) become "household names" and attract there own substantial fanbase to support a card on their own. If so and he does fight NO MORE cruisers.Surely the effort to get to light heavy would be less painful(even if more prolonged) than gettin your lights punched out by naturally bigger men.

[jezzamundo]

I think Green could make it back to Light Heavyweight, but I don't think he should. I also don't think he should continue fighting bigger men. Neither do I think he should return to fighting at "Dannyweight": 180-185lb. Time to hang them up.

If he does decided to continue, I hope it's for one last fight and against someone he should beat.

With regards to his power and chin, Danny Green was absolutely an iron chinned fighter at Super Middleweight and Light Heavyweight, as well as being possibly the hardest hitter in both divisions. Particularly at Light Heavyweight, Green looked very, very good. Unfortunately he never took on a world class fighter at that weight who gave it a real go. Griffin proved to be a level below world class and Drews ran scared after a taste of Green's power. It's very sad that Green didn't go on to fight Woods, Tarver, Johnson, Dawson or Hopkins at Light Heavy in 2008 onwards. He'd most likely lose all these fights, except for Woods, but the combination of his chin and power at 175lb would have made him a handful for anyone.

[hearns]

OK- kneejerk reaction to sooooooo much negativity about Green and other fighters. Apologies to you Hearns. Probably copped a barrage that had been building for a while based on so much toss some fill these spaces with ESPECIALLY the bums/wimps type comments(and no- not from you). Shall reserve my angst for those that post it.

As for Green my final comments would be DONT fight at cruiser if you are to fight again. Clearly Green gets stressed out about some of his financial commitments not coming off and i do wonder/fear that he may keep going for a bit longer as he does have a name and if he does fight on his cards then perhaps he will feel a bit more comfortable re the cards working financially. As there are so few other big names here(and the others that do exist are promoted under a different banner) he may feel there is a time period to fill before other up and comers(such as Wild Will) become "household names" and attract there own substantial fanbase to support a card on their own. If so and he does fight NO MORE cruisers.Surely the effort to get to light heavy would be less painful(even if more prolonged) than gettin your lights punched out by naturally bigger men.

No apology required J. i Must admit i do admire the way you and Dawg go boots and all in defence of the fighters you support. Unfortunately the fighters i support havent given me much to crow about of late, so until they do i will refrain from Danny Green threads and try to be more objective.

[JSA]

No need for restraint. And dont get me wrong- some of the Green antics over the last while have disappointed me( Briggs fight and aftermath, the arrogance/ego etc). But he is , i think , so important to the continuation of boxing at a good level in theis country. All good mate.