Greatest Puncher Of The Past 25 Years?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Giving this a little more thought I think Jackson is clearly the best puncher of the last 25 years. Going back 25 years would put us in 1986, all of Hearns' greatest knockouts were prior to 1986. So that should disqualify him from the conversation. Aside from that I've always thought Jackson was only a decent boxer at best, nothing stands out about him except for his punch, he doesn't have the greatest chin, he had pretty poor defense, he didn't have the greatest movement around the ring or technique. Almost everything he ever accomplished in boxing was from his awesome punching power, and it took him a long, long way.

you clearly haven't seen his many of his fights.

Why? that sounds about right to me. He had solid hand speed and decent footwork to set up his bombs. But it was mainly his massive power.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Giving this a little more thought I think Jackson is clearly the best puncher of the last 25 years. Going back 25 years would put us in 1986, all of Hearns' greatest knockouts were prior to 1986. So that should disqualify him from the conversation. Aside from that I've always thought Jackson was only a decent boxer at best, nothing stands out about him except for his punch, he doesn't have the greatest chin, he had pretty poor defense, he didn't have the greatest movement around the ring or technique. Almost everything he ever accomplished in boxing was from his awesome punching power, and it took him a long, long way.

This was in 1986

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woWSl5PBVAs

[SaadOffTheDeck]

you clearly haven't seen his many of his fights.

Why? that sounds about right to me. He had solid hand speed and decent footwork to set up his bombs. But it was mainly his massive power.

gil glancy : "jackson does everything by the books"

after watching most of his fights in their entirety i would not say that he had "poor defense" or had subpar movement/agility & technique. nope

He definitely had poor defense. You're doing a lot of nitpicking. If Julian Jackson punched like Cory Spinks he would have sucked. That's all he is trying to say and it's quite accurate.

[gilgamesh]

Indeed that is what I was trying to say. Thanks for having my back there Saad.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He definitely had poor defense. You're doing a lot of nitpicking. If Julian Jackson punched like Cory Spinks he would have sucked. That's all he is trying to say and it's quite accurate.

false. and im nitpicking? riiiiiight . . .

My bad, then you're the one that obviously hasn't seen many of his fights. Pretty hypocritical of you to say that to someone else.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

My bad, then you're the one that obviously hasn't seen many of his fights. Pretty hypocritical of you to say that to someone else.

if by "hasn't seen that many" u mean all of the ones available then sure thing

It doesn't really matter if you've seen them all. You might need to watch them again. you're as wrong as someone who has never heard of him. I guess I'll chalk up Julian jackson's defensive prowess with the tremendous Boxing skills of paulie malignaggi. You're slipping.

[King Carlos]

The answer is Jackson. I've been watching a whole ass load of fights recently, just to refresh and have some fun. Recently went through a month long festival of watching nothing but great action fights, and I've been doing the same for the big hitters for the past few weeks, just watching any and all weight classes, gaging their power, comparing and contrasting, etc.

Pound for pound nobody I've ever seen on film (much less the past 25 years) has ever had the same effect with their punches on their opponents. He had the pendulum effect going when he swung those meat cleavers, and would put it right through the opponent's face. Similarly awe-inspiring with both the right and left hand. He's the man.

Id have to rate mclellan over jackson . some of his knockouts were absolutely cartoonish he must hold the record for knocking most guys unconscious on their feet putting them out with their body followig their brain in delayed reaction

I'd say Jackson definitely has the better examples. The only one for McClellan that I can recall matches that description was against Danny Mitchell, although it is quite a KO. With Jackson you had Herol Graham, Ismael Negron, Wayne Powell, Francisco Del Toro, and Buster Drayton (who was a very tough fighter). All of these men were knocked spark out. Even Norris was cleaned thoroughly. How he managed to even get up astounds me. Carlton Haywood was a pretty funny one, too. Dude's chicken dance puts Zab's to shame.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It doesn't really matter if you've seen them all. You might need to watch them again. you're as wrong as someone who has never heard of him. I guess I'll chalk up Julian jackson's defensive prowess with the tremendous Boxing skills of paulie malignaggi. You're slipping.

yep. cause me saying jackson doesn't have a poor defense means im saying it was awesome. and yeah that's what i said about paulie. ur not exaggerating at all here.

Yup, I exaggerated for affect. That doesn't change the fact that both of your statements are laughably wrong.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yup, I exaggerated for affect. That doesn't change the fact that both of your statements are laughably wrong.

says who? oh wise and holy saad? let me know when you wanna climb down from that pretentious pedestal u put urself on.

This isn't a pedestal Barry, you're just too stubborn to admit you're talking out of your ass. Jackson had poor defense, says anyone who knows what they are talking about. But it's cute that you find yourself to be a moral compass after I've read you be far more condescending for pages at a time. You're wrong, deal with it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

says who? oh wise and holy saad? let me know when you wanna climb down from that pretentious pedestal u put urself on.

This isn't a pedestal Barry, you're just too stubborn to admit you're talking out of your ass. Jackson had poor defense, says anyone who knows what they are talking about. But it's cute that you find yourself to be a moral compass after I've read you be far more condescending for pages at a time. You're wrong, deal with it.

glad u find it cute. past is the past. things change.

no need in going forward w/this discussion.

We can agree on that. I like you and you've embarrassed yourself enough.

As for change, change means nothing if you're going to turn into an above it all, finger pointing preacher.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

We can agree on that. I like you and you've embarrassed yourself enough.

As for change, change means nothing if you're going to turn into an above it all finger pointing preacher.

not preaching or finger pointing. callin it how i see it.

You called me pretentious for calling how you see it rightfully silly. That's certainly hypocritical behavior from someone who has done the same thing a million times. If you want to take the high road, take it 100%. One thing about me and my high horse, I don't play favorites and I'll treat stupidity from you the same as I will from anybody else.

And you already said you were done Barry. Be a good little boy and walk away.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

That's certainly hypocritical behavior from someone who has done the same thing a million times.

"don't let yesterday use up too much of today"

ever since owl and i reconciled u wont find me being the way i was. im 21. youre in your 40s. think about it.

You just were that way barry, moments ago.

Age has nothing to do with it. But I know I'm much your elder, you also take these internet arguments far more seriously than I do. It's all in fun for me. While your fists ball up in rage. It's good you're trying to change that.

It's not my fault if you don't understand what kind of fighter Julian jackson was. I'd be happy to educate you on any fighter I'm this familiar with. But you're 21 and you think you know everything. In this situation, you don't know dick.

Tell me again how you're done with this conversation, please?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Age has nothing to do with it. But I know I'm much your elder, you also take these internet arguments far more seriously than I do. It's all in fun for me. It's not fault if you don't understand what kind of fighter Julian jackson was. I'd be happy to educate you on any fighter I'm this familiar with. But you're 21 and you think you know everything. In this situation, you don't know dick.

Tell me again how you're done with this conversation, please?

youre a very insecure person, saad. i hope u realize that.

You know less about me than you do Julian Jackson. But you just broke your own rule again. More condescending and pretentious behavior from Mr. Good Guy. Now the youngster is turning shrink.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You know less about me than you do Julian Jackson. But you just broke your own rule again. More condescending and pretentious behavior from Mr. Good Guy. Now the youngster is turning shrink.

then answer this : if u knew ur right and im wrong. why bother arguing? wouldn't that be wasting time?

and if you're not insecure then why do u toot ur own horn at every chance u get and patronize others? what's that? just u "havin fun"?

Everybody knows I'm right and you're wrong. I think you know it, we stopped talking about that a long time ago. This is just Mr. New Man tossing insults and exhibiting the same behavior that I am.

I am far from a braggart, so now you're clearly so upset that you're going to resort to inventing things. One of my greater character traits is laughing at myself. One of my worst is letting things go. Luckily you're already done with this one.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

and ur answer can be the last say in this. don't care anymore and neither of us are gonna stop.

Saying you don't care and you're leaving over and over is much more pathetic than the inane arguments are to begin with. If you don't care, STFU and move on.

[Ezzard]

Giving this a little more thought I think Jackson is clearly the best puncher of the last 25 years. Going back 25 years would put us in 1986, all of Hearns' greatest knockouts were prior to 1986. So that should disqualify him from the conversation. Aside from that I've always thought Jackson was only a decent boxer at best, nothing stands out about him except for his punch, he doesn't have the greatest chin, he had pretty poor defense, he didn't have the greatest movement around the ring or technique. Almost everything he ever accomplished in boxing was from his awesome punching power, and it took him a long, long way.

Gilg

I'd argue one point with you. Isn't punch power generated by technique? I mean he was fighting guys who were the same size as him.

You could argue that he threw them from angles where the other guy didn't see them coming... But even so, I'd say his technique was pretty good.

One thing about Hearns was he bounced Andries around who was a durable guy. Hearns was a welterweight....

[orbtastic]

I've yet to find anyone that's seen McClellan/Milton - Has anyone seen it?

Oddly despite taking McClellan the distance and beating him, yet being iced in less than 2 minutes by Jackson, he says he would rather not face McClellan again.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

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[gilgamesh]

Giving this a little more thought I think Jackson is clearly the best puncher of the last 25 years. Going back 25 years would put us in 1986, all of Hearns' greatest knockouts were prior to 1986. So that should disqualify him from the conversation. Aside from that I've always thought Jackson was only a decent boxer at best, nothing stands out about him except for his punch, he doesn't have the greatest chin, he had pretty poor defense, he didn't have the greatest movement around the ring or technique. Almost everything he ever accomplished in boxing was from his awesome punching power, and it took him a long, long way.

Gilg

I'd argue one point with you. Isn't punch power generated by technique? I mean he was fighting guys who were the same size as him.

You could argue that he threw them from angles where the other guy didn't see them coming... But even so, I'd say his technique was pretty good.

One thing about Hearns was he bounced Andries around who was a durable guy. Hearns was a welterweight....

Fair argument. I'll concede that point to you his technique was pretty good, but I stand by my other points.

[NazNaci1]

Jackson used to punch, as Ezzard said, correctly and with decent speed and incredible power.

What he also did was punch 'at the same time' as the opponent. On a few occasions he got caught, when they either could take his shots, to a degree (McCallum and McClellan) or as he slowed as he got older (Phillips, Quincey and Jones).

[orbtastic]

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Don't see it on there?

[Diamond WEAPON]

I'm going with Jackson here. The guy so consistently and thoroughly short-circuited opponents it's ridiculous. People tend to expect that spark-out power more with Heavyweights and of course Klitschko, Lewis, Tyson, and Bowe all showed some serious bombs but not with the consistency or even the way Jackson could do it WHILE he was getting hammered and rocked himself.

McClellan is a good shout though, he definitely carried the Kronk torch from Hearns well with those sledgehammers.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

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Don't see it on there?

I was trying to put up #7, but they're all good.

[Rover]

I'll go with McClellan. I remember when he fought Baptiste. I'd caught Baptiste-Lamar Parks on Tuesday Night Fights and couldn't believe the punishment Baptiste absorbed. McClellan just scarfed him up.
I'll give a shout out to some crackers who haven't been mentioned:
Chapo Rosario: Surprised to see JCC's name on here and not Edwin's
Khaosai Galaxy: Huge puncher who fought not the greatest comp
Sung-Kil Moon: Huge puncher who fought better comp
Michael Carbajal: Even while basically shot, still had enough to KO Arce

[Goodnight, Irene]

Rosario hit like a truck