The Fight Of Their Lives: ITV1 10:35pm 05/12/2011

[bad mamma jamma]

a real gentleman arent you? U called gerald a faggot? Homophobic too..yet u are the one talking with intimate knowledge of "fudge tunnels"?...i presume u mean asshole?....yet u dont call it asshole u prefer to call it "fudge tunnel"?.....presumably because u see a mans asshole as sweet like fudge?.......tut tut..i think someone may be a closet case....... :?? :?? . u do tho seem to derive some sadistic pleasure from geralds plight. If u cant feel sorry for gerald......well its not my place to ask u to seek help which u so desperatly need but all this big brave talk on the keyboard about a stricken maimed warrior like gman says a lot about u. U may be still training my friend and u should be grateful u are healthy for a 50 year old.....lets hope u stay that way........u should fear god my friend....if geralds could end up like that...so could you....so dont be so cocky and grow up......the 43 year old gerald wouldnt be happy at what the 19 year old gerald did....but dogs also rip apart other dogs, gerald is suffering so just show some dignity and stop acting like such a smart arse little nerd citing crimes others did and have paid for.......seems to me, your not content that gerald ended up blind, parylysed and 90% deaf......no....... u wanted more.....evidently.

Ok, here’s how it goes. I have a major issue with people who abuse those who are weaker than them – people or beings who put their trust in someone only for that trust to be turned on them. I speak my mind and say I have no sympathy whatsoever for Mclellan after what he did – I stand by that. Then you come on Mugabi and start being all personal with me. That is out of order son. Of course my natural reaction is to react to you with more vitriol aimed at you. Now here we have King Finn who jumps on the personal attack bandwagon. Sorry but I have strong feelings about abuse and abusers – and always will. I speak my mind and will not apologise for that. I could so easily come back at you two with more personal sh:t – but I wont. There is also no point in me telling you about who I am and what I do cos you will just come back with more bullsh:t comments. Maybe you guys should look at what you write on here and make sure you don’t get all personal with people whose posts you take umbrage with again. You are saying I am childish for saying Mclellan is a bitch but you two showed the same childish behaviour by calling me down! ANYONE WHO ABUSES KIDS, ANIMAL, WOMEN ARE effing PUSSYHOLES…and I for one will not show any remorse when any people of this ilk fall upon bad times..does that make me a bad person?

I have no problem with peoples personal opinions, and if thats your view then you are fully entitled to have it. What i dont like is people squaring up on an internet forum its pointless and 99% of the time its some keyboard warrior muppet on the other end of the net.

thats my point i wasnt squaring up I just happened to have a very strong opinion on a very sensitive issue.

[bad mamma jamma]

Ok, here’s how it goes. I have a major issue with people who abuse those who are weaker than them – people or beings who put their trust in someone only for that trust to be turned on them. I speak my mind and say I have no sympathy whatsoever for Mclellan after what he did – I stand by that. Then you come on Mugabi and start being all personal with me. That is out of order son. Of course my natural reaction is to react to you with more vitriol aimed at you. Now here we have King Finn who jumps on the personal attack bandwagon. Sorry but I have strong feelings about abuse and abusers – and always will. I speak my mind and will not apologise for that. I could so easily come back at you two with more personal sh:t – but I wont. There is also no point in me telling you about who I am and what I do cos you will just come back with more bullsh:t comments. Maybe you guys should look at what you write on here and make sure you don’t get all personal with people whose posts you take umbrage with again. You are saying I am childish for saying Mclellan is a bitch but you two showed the same childish behaviour by calling me down! ANYONE WHO ABUSES KIDS, ANIMAL, WOMEN ARE effing PUSSYHOLES…and I for one will not show any remorse when any people of this ilk fall upon bad times..does that make me a bad person?

I always wanted to know what Shami Chakrabarti would be like when she's on the rag.

miles scott Nicely played. You're on form this week.

Oh how inbred this forum is , there seems to be a group of you lot who know each other and back each other up upon request. I seem to remember Geedorah, this has happened with you in the past. No wonder the number of posters on this forum are dwindling.. you may also want to review some of your previous posts, from memory most of them are written in your own special vernacular.

[dondada]

miles scott Nicely played. You're on form this week.

Oh how inbred this forum is , there seems to be a group of you lot who know each other and back each other up upon request. I seem to remember Geedorah, this has happened with you in the past. No wonder the number of posters on this forum are dwindling.. you may also want to review some of your previous posts, from memory most of them are written in your own special vernacular.

Yes, it is called English. As for 'backing' someone up in this debate, I don't see a debate here. I found Macho's crack funny because it showed wit, intelligence and was dryly stated.

No translator needed for mamma jamma. His English is OK.

And Shami Chakrabati on the rag? That would be absolutely unbearable.

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miles scott Nicely played. You're on form this week.

Oh how inbred this forum is , there seems to be a group of you lot who know each other and back each other up upon request. I seem to remember Geedorah, this has happened with you in the past. No wonder the number of posters on this forum are dwindling.. you may also want to review some of your previous posts, from memory most of them are written in your own special vernacular.

Yes, it is called English. As for 'backing' someone up in this debate, I don't see a debate here. I found Macho's crack funny because it showed wit, intelligence and was dryly stated.

No translator needed for mamma jamma. His English is OK.

And Shami Chakrabati on the rag? That would be absolutely unbearable.[/quote]

This is like going back to the 90's being locked in a room with a bunch of Sun readers who don't think minorities or people who choose to live a different way deserve to be treated with humanity or dignity...unfortunately from some of the views on this forum and in certain parts of society it looks like people are still trapped in that mentality!

As for some of the comments that have been posted about McCellen they're frankly disgusting, i never knew him and even if he was a scumbag which i've never personally been told by anyone who knew him(infact the opposite) he's more then paid for it in suffering 20 years of living in hell so how about some humility and humanity for the man FFS.

[bad mamma jamma]

Look, this is not the first time I have had sh:t on this forum for speaking my mind. Maybe it’s partly my fault as I write what I think – must be the yorkshire blood. I know differences of opinion on forums is to be expected but getting personal is fornicating wrong. I will argue with you all day if you want, I like a debate even if I lose it but don’t go saying shi:t like “oh big man” “internet warrior”.. if you knew me you would know I am far away from being any of those..having said that looking at my history of posts I look like a right cnt on some of them

[dondada]

having said that looking at my history of posts I look like a right cnt on some of them

King G will tell you - 'Never explain, never apologise'.

[J]

Should people refrain from speculating on his dog fighting days just because he's injured? Should what happened to him kill questions about the type of man he was? Ali's been in a bad way but people have discussed the negative aspects of his personality on here before.

I'm not judging McClellan, I don't know him, but there's a risk of going down the Jade Goody route of overlooking a person's flaws just because they experienced a tragedy.

There were strong rumours doing the rounds at the time that McClellan allowed two of his dogs, Hindley & Huntley, to maul one of Princess Diana's swans to death. 'Huntley' in '95? Has no one else ever thought he might, just might, be a Keyser Söze type - albeit with a more impressive 'gimp' than Spacey's? What do you get if you take the first three letters of his surname and the last two, put them together, and add an 'n'? Are you trying to tell me that's a coincidence? He knows where she is.

read war baby it has accounts of both the dog incident and another where Mcellellan drove his car through flamigos in vegas and ran them down one by one literally chased them down.
We have all done things in the past we regret Im sure, Im not saying he deserved a life of 20 years plus in that state, but for his sister knowing some of his previous misdemeanours to be spouting forth about Benn is somewhat pot calling kettle black.

I know a little more of this situation but I prefer not to put it in the open due to the fact it would comprimise certain folk who passed on information (sorry for the spud impression) but its probably succinctly put that, G mans sister is not the most balanced and forgiving over this situation. The word Bitter might be most suitable. Rightly or wrongly. Im not here to judge.

[bad mamma jamma]

having said that looking at my history of posts I look like a right cnt on some of them

King G will tell you - 'Never explain, never apologise'.

Mate I am certainly not apologising for what I said on this thread but sometimes I let my mouth shoot off too quickly for my own good…just looked at some of my prev posts on other threads!!

[bad mamma jamma]

Should people refrain from speculating on his dog fighting days just because he's injured? Should what happened to him kill questions about the type of man he was? Ali's been in a bad way but people have discussed the negative aspects of his personality on here before.

I'm not judging McClellan, I don't know him, but there's a risk of going down the Jade Goody route of overlooking a person's flaws just because they experienced a tragedy.

There were strong rumours doing the rounds at the time that McClellan allowed two of his dogs, Hindley & Huntley, to maul one of Princess Diana's swans to death. 'Huntley' in '95? Has no one else ever thought he might, just might, be a Keyser Söze type - albeit with a more impressive 'gimp' than Spacey's? What do you get if you take the first three letters of his surname and the last two, put them together, and add an 'n'? Are you trying to tell me that's a coincidence? He knows where she is.

read war baby it has accounts of both the dog incident and another where Mcellellan drove his car through flamigos in vegas and ran them down one by one literally chased them down.
We have all done things in the past we regret Im sure, Im not saying he deserved a life of 20 years plus in that state, but for his sister knowing some of his previous misdemeanours to be spouting forth about Benn is somewhat pot calling kettle black.

I know a little more of this situation but I prefer not to put it in the open due to the fact it would comprimise certain folk who passed on information (sorry for the spud impression) but its probably succinctly put that, G mans sister is not the most balanced and forgiving over this situation. The word Bitter might be most suitable. Rightly or wrongly. Im not here to judge.

he was a wrong un. i would rather spend my time and empathy on those who deserve it, like michael watson, bradley stone, leavander johnson etc

[J]

fair enough mate.

[Lenny]

I think everything has pretty much been said about the documentary, in between the bitching obviously.

The only thing I'd like to add is regards to what a shite trainer that was. The clips of the pad work was farcical with McClellan complaining of Johnson having to take breaks and him having to try and keep that stupid hat on his head. No wonder he knocked his teeth out.

Also, whilst I can't remember the source from War Baby and their is no doubt that McClellan was pretty into his dog fighting, the guy telling the tapped up labrador story is clearly as mad as a box of frogs and I'd take anything he said with a pinch of salt.

Whilst I despise cruelty to animals, I personally cannot help but feel pity for a man who has been left like that, especially one who is like that through competing in a sport we all love

[Datsue]

Whilst I despise cruelty to animals, I personally cannot help but feel pity for a man who has been left like that, especially one who is like that through competing in a sport we all love

Well said.

[Finn]

I think everything has pretty much been said about the documentary, in between the bitching obviously.

The only thing I'd like to add is regards to what a shite trainer that was. The clips of the pad work was farcical with McClellan complaining of Johnson having to take breaks and him having to try and keep that stupid hat on his head. No wonder he knocked his teeth out.

Also, whilst I can't remember the source from War Baby and their is no doubt that McClellan was pretty into his dog fighting, the guy telling the tapped up labrador story is clearly as mad as a box of frogs and I'd take anything he said with a pinch of salt.

Whilst I despise cruelty to animals, I personally cannot help but feel pity for a man who has been left like that, especially one who is like that through competing in a sport we all love

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[loaded_gloves]

If I remember correct,McClellan was 4lb inside the weight, which I found strange at the Time. Plus a few weeks before He had been badly knocked out, in Sparring in Miami.

Is this one of those silly gym rumours started on boxing forums? I fail to see how a sparring partner with big gloves could KO McClellan, if Julian Jackson and Nigel Benn couldn't knock him out with massive clean shots to the chin.

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I actually shed a tear watching this, which is not something that I'd ordinarily do.

So many things went wrong for Gerald up to & including the fight itself.

Many things shocked me about this, but up near the top has to be the fact that Stan Johnson is still out there training boxers!

Surely that cannot be right?

[Srebmun]

Watched it last night. Very sad as it was entirely preventable.

Stan Johnson is such a sh:thead. As Lenny said, it's amazing then they were sparring in the Peacock he was more interested in keeping his friggin sailors hat on than anything.

The chimes of Big Ben when Benn was entering is hairs on the neck stuff.

[Loynesy]

having said that looking at my history of posts I look like a right cnt on some of them

King G will tell you - 'Never explain, never apologise'.

My 2011 New Year's resolution. It has accounted for a few friends, a few arguments and one relationship. Apart from that things are going swimmingly.

Isn't that an explanation?

[Loynesy]

My 2011 New Year's resolution. It has accounted for a few friends, a few arguments and one relationship. Apart from that things are going swimmingly.

Isn't that an explanation?

Nah, not for a specific act. More like an overview.

Nice distinction. You should be a lawyer.

[Matt W]

I had hoped to go to the fund-raiser they held a few years ago but couldn't make it so I sent Benn a letter & donation. A few weeks after the event he sent me a signed programme with my name featured prominently in the acknowledgments section alongside a number of boxing's big names. I thought that was very classy of him.

I thought the documentary was excellent and was disgusted by that utter tool Johnson, but ultimately McClellan chose to employ him. It's a disgrace that such incompetents are allowed to coach fighters when they have their health in their hands. I don't doubt that McClellan was a tough, mean bastard but it's not for me to judge him and I can't help but feel desperately sorry for what boxing has done to him.

[Captain Hook]

... and to think, Johnson is still coaching fighters

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... and to think, Johnson is still coaching fighters

That is the scariest part of the whole thing.

[stujones]

I thought it was an excellent documentary. To be honest, although it wasn't pleasant, I was expecting to see Gerald in worst shape actually.

I learned alot about Nigel aswell - I wasn't aware of his party lifestyle, I always thought he such a disciplinarian. I had heard stuff, but I always thought it was after his career was over. Not sure if its the right phrase, but I never thought the consequences of the fight affected Nigel as much as the Watson fight did Eubank. However, seeing Nigel today its clear it has eaten him up and clearly something that affected him. The only reason why I thought it didn't affect Nigel as much, wasn't his post fight comments, but they way he fought after the fight. While physically he wasn't the same - he still fought with the same aggression and tenacity, particularly in his two wins post the fight.

My main gripe about the programme was Barry McGuigan's comments slagging off Jim Watt's commentary. I hope that it was just badly edited - Jim has a great boxing brain, but I'm sure Jim couldn't predict what was going to happen in the next couple of minutes. I'm glad Jim articulated his "no regrets" thing well.

The documentary re-iterated what I always thought about the fight, Nigel Benn should have been counted out in the first round.

[Bricks]

Look, this is not the first time I have had sh:t on this forum for speaking my mind. Maybe it’s partly my fault as I write what I think – must be the yorkshire blood. I know differences of opinion on forums is to be expected but getting personal is effing wrong. I will argue with you all day if you want, I like a debate even if I lose it but don’t go saying shi:t like “oh big man” “internet warrior”.. if you knew me you would know I am far away from being any of those..having said that looking at my history of posts I look like a right cnt on some of them

So basically your argument is you hate all abusers and u hate people who attack others with "personal "remarks....but you reserve the right to abuse a blind, paryalysed, crippled former world champion boxer who cannot defend himself..and say he deserved it..... Ok as long as thats clear i got it.....