Reid was hurt for the illegal KD and the final KD - his eyes were in orbit after that uppercut.
I think the reason Reid went down for the second time in round 6 was because he was still hurt after that controvesial first KD.
Joe Calzaghe v Jeff Lacy
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His eyes spun but by the time he hit the deck they were pointed at his corner - he still had his wits about him.stujones wrote:Reid was hurt for the illegal KD and the final KD - his eyes were in orbit after that uppercut.
I think the reason Reid went down for the second time in round 6 was because he was still hurt after that controvesial first KD.
If the likes of Bob Foster or Julian Jackson had just knocked him down for the fourth time with such a flush punch I guarantee you Reid's eyes would not have even been more than half open, let alone at his corner, and his feet would be crossed and slightly twitching.
The lunging attempts to grab hold of Lacy looked bad, but he knew where he was and he still had the power to tie up Jeff.
Sheika has a reasonable chin, he was stopped on his feet by Sicknote more through the cut damage than being in any real trouble - it could have continued without the bleeding I think.
But Pemberton stopped him and he's not really much of a puncher.
I'm quite interested to see who Sicknote ends up fighting next month, any decent fighter will want more than 3/4 weeks to prepare surely? It will end up being an absolute stiff I reckon.
But Pemberton stopped him and he's not really much of a puncher.
I'm quite interested to see who Sicknote ends up fighting next month, any decent fighter will want more than 3/4 weeks to prepare surely? It will end up being an absolute stiff I reckon.
Very well explainedManos de Oro wrote:Sorry nick, that statement sounds pretenious - which wasn't meant.nickd wrote:I dont see how you can say Lacy is not a big puncher - what do you mean its obvious to anyone who can spot one?
He has just dropped a guy with a rock solid chin 4 times. In fact people were saying on here that Reid has one of the best chins in the world last week so if Lacy is not a big puncher on the back of that performance I'll never know how to spot one!!
Things to look for in a big puncher - speed and snap are about the same high level. The puncher doesn't have to be musclebound like Lacy (in fact, that's a disadvantage), they just have to marry technique with speed. For example, look at the way Bob Foster delivers a left hook and the way Lacy does it. There's just that extra oomph missing in Lacy's punch.
Records also can tell a lot about punch power - looking at opponent's history, weight history, whether they have been KO'd or TKO'd, etc.
As for the fight on Saturday: three things were putting Reid down more than singularly punch power:
* lack of an escape route
* accumulation
* confidence took a hell of a blow after the first, illegal, knockdown
* the high pitch of the away crowd's voices when he first took the count
And I agree.
Lacy is not the big KO puncher, but he is heavyhanded much as Frank Bruno was.
Since when did anyone have to earn/deserve a title shot these days? Especially at 168 - the standard of title challengers on the whole at 168 over the last decade has no doubt been the worst in any weight division.stujones wrote:He took a battering vs Calzaghe but stood up to everything.
I think the Pemberton stoppage was due to fatigue - what a fight that was.
I give him a chance vs Beyer, but how has he deserved this chance is beyond me.
Most of them challengers for Calzaghe's title by the way....
Veit
Salem
Mkrtchian
Pudwill
Jimenez
McIntyre
Thornberry
Joe Gatti
Emmebati
Crawford
Giovanni Nardiello
Nishizawa
Keiski
Plenty of dross among those guys, thats just chaps that Calzaghe, Ottke and Beyer fought.
I will disagree there, he was up at about 9 and 1/2 and was in no position to continue when the 10 was counted. He would have got up a little earlier if he was "fine". Reminded me a little of the Williams vs Tyson scenerio when Tyson was actually upright just before the 10 but yet the ref counted it as a KO and not a ref stoppage. The ref could have EASILY done that on Saturday and then we wouldn't be doubting if Reid was hurt.Manos de Oro wrote:[
His eyes spun but by the time he hit the deck they were pointed at his corner - he still had his wits about him.
I generally agree with your other comments, I only thought Reid was hurt twice (as stated) and the other two times he wasn't badly hurt - for the reasons that you stated. I would also like to add that pride plays some part, the pride of Reid's never been floored record had been broken and subconciously might think "okay, I've been down now and I'm better for it - its not so bad".
You often find a fighter with a long record of not going down will start to go down more often after suffering his first KD - whether that be in the same fight or in future fights.