Usa v Ukraine

[mike222]

132 T Kahn-Clary drew G Guseinov
141 G Rincon dec O Nekyludov (World Youth Champion)
165 D Mitrofanov dec A Douglas
201 S Melnik dec J Shimmell
+201 R Kapitanenko dec L Mitchell
WOMEN
112 T Kob dec M Ezparza
132 N Sherman dec O Sidorenko
165 T Hemingway dec M Badlujina
Ukraine 4 Usa 3 Draw 1

[mike222]

Results December 4
S Simpson lost O Shepelyuk 10-12
T Kahn-Clary lost V Martiychuk
G Rincon lost V Martseniuk 11-12
A Douglas won A Rizun 24-19
J Shimmell lost V Merikov 10-13
Women
M Esparza drew A Rogovich
N Sherman drew T Sydor
T Hemingway drew I Kumar
Looks more like exhibition fights than contests but must be great experience.

[denverboxing]

Yes thats exactly what it seems like........I thought there was only draws in professional boxing but i guess in Ukraine they do whatever they want,I also had a chance to speak to one of the coaches up there and they said there was alot of home cooking going on and that the two boxers who really got robbed ridiculously at both duals in Ukraine were Shawn Simpson and Marlen Esparza.Sad but I guess just scratch up as good expierence

[denverboxing]

Yes that is exactly what it sounds like.I thought there was only draws in professional boxing but I guess in Ukraine they can do what they want.I also got to speak to one of the USA coaches on the trip and they said there was alot of home cooking going on in Ukraine and he also mentioned that the two boxer who got rediculously robbed in Ukraine in both dual matches was Shawn Simpson and Marlen Esparza.Sad but i guess you just scratch it up as good expierence.

[fighterdad]

how do all three women get draws? no tiebreakers?

[boxmel]

how do all three women get draws? no tiebreakers?

AIBA rules allow for draws, unlike the U.S. who does not allow them. I have heard that 'draws' are usually suspect, but don't know firsthand. 8)

[Dennis]

The home cooking wasn't just in Ukraine. It was also in Russia.

[JMac]

It doesn't help when USAB only sends one official which was ridicules especially to eastern europe where history shows there has always been those type of decisions. If it was a money issue, maybe they could have skipped sending a technical advisor when you already had two coaches.

[denverboxing]

Thank you JMAC I totally agree!!!!But these are the stupid choices that USABOXING has been making here lately...

[Dennis]

With a second USA official, Team USA would have won a few more bouts in the Ukraine as it would have been the typical international dual - 4 officials, two from each country. When you have a Ukrainian ref, you have 2 USA judges and 1 Ukrainian judge. Then when you have a USA ref, you have 2 Ukrainian judges and 1 USA judge. Makes the odds better of winning bouts.

[JMac]

With a second USA official, Team USA would have won a few more bouts in the Ukraine as it would have been the typical international dual - 4 officials, two from each country. When you have a Ukrainian ref, you have 2 USA judges and 1 Ukrainian judge. Then when you have a USA ref, you have 2 Ukrainian judges and 1 USA judge. Makes the odds better of winning bouts.

Exactly! I can tell you from experience that in many countries, especially in eastern Europe and Asia, judges will almost never vote against their own country in a dual match. That's why we need to send 2 officials to any dual to have at least half a chance at a fair decision. In the tournament in Russia, the only way to guarantee a win was to stop your opponent.

[Dennis]

If anyone has any videos of the bouts, I would like to see them.

[mike222]

Dennis,not sure about videos but there is a nice photo of both teams on the Ukrainian Boxing Federation website www.fbu.net.ua