JORGE LUIS GONZALEZ

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 13 Nov 2002, 07:20

anyone remember jorges fight in 1994 with mike evans?

it was on one of those big mgm undercards, jorge was this towering, powerful undefeated (36yr old, pretending to be 30) cuban heavy, and mike was a tough fringe contender.

infact, nobody had knocked mike out in over a decade,and he had gone the distance with some bangers, and given some ex-champs a real going over.

the atmosphere was lively that night, as usual the crowd rallied against "bad guy" laughing jorge, and whenever mike threw a punch back the crowd would burst into cheers! however, in the 2nd mike walked right into a clean uppercut, that heavy looping shot jorge perfected, and he went down on his ass with a grimace on his face, and remained there for the full count.

sorry, but that mustve been one hell of a shot to make mike stay down, becuase that wasnt like him at all. jorge was a good fighter in the mid 90s, he couldve developed more, but he was wrecked in the end by bowe and then witherspoon. damn.

anyone else seen this fight?

6 Pack · Post by **6 Pack** » 13 Nov 2002, 22:33

Didn't see that fight. Was he really that old? What are your sources?

He was alright some times, he beat a few decent guys but lost to some guys he should have beat if the hype around him was warranted.

DId you see him fight Stewart? I was a big ALex Stewart fan, I like the underdog's who don't give up. ALex gave heavy favorites Holyfield, Foreman, Moorer all good fights. All of them were the true champs too.

So did you see that fight too? ALex was near the end. You think ALex would have won if they were matched in their primes? certainly ALex did better against the top caliber fighters and was the better pro.

Tomato-Can · Post by **Tomato-Can** » 14 Nov 2002, 04:10

Alex Stewart was certainly a better pro than J.L. Gonzalez but I don't think it would have made a difference if Stewart had been in his prime that night. That was probably Jorge's best fight as a pro and the shots he hit Alex with would have got just about anybody out of there.

Of course one could argue that Alex would not have been hit by those shots in his prime but defense was not Alex's best attribute even in his prime.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2002, 06:20

that was a good fight for jorge. jorge had some bad losses and finally started listening to trainers, and looked good around that 99/00 period. he also beat greg page, and knocked out a prospect tommy martin, who is now in the wba tourney.

although jorge improved, he had nothing left in his chin it turned out, stewart didnt discover it, cliff couser did. too late for jorge.

a peak stewart maybe hung around longer, but i feel jorge would have chopped him up at any period.

looking at jorges full career, at the start he was dreadful(see his 8 round dec. over david graves), but then 92-95 developed a bit more, and became fun to watch with his huge size and the manner he clubbed them all into the mat (snipes and evans were no bums), but overall he was mis-managed and worse yet was his own boss. a recipe for disaster, the result was the bowe and spoon fights.

after he got drilled in 1 by michael grant he looked finished, but did make an effort to improve. he did and the result was a brief rennaisance. but his last 3 fights have been sad to watch and i hope he hangs em up.

i miss a character like jorge guys, he made it fun. damn.

enrique · Post by **enrique** » 14 Nov 2002, 10:43

I don't miss him at all. I though he was a bully type and not a role model. He was at least four years older than his management claimed when he arrived in the US and his attitude was poor -he drank, slacked off in training and was rude. Because of this, he was not accepted by Miami Cubans. So Jorge Luis was not popular with the ethnic group that should have provided his base of support.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 14 Nov 2002, 10:51

yeh but there will always be characters like this in boxing. personally i enjoyed watching him fight. i know i am in a minority. but if you check his fights, say, with renaldo snipes, mike evans, bryan scott, the guy has a big clubbing punch, has his satans goatee, and used heavy thudding shots. the guy yes has a nasty dispositon, he just drew me in at the time.

a bad guy who isnt called tyson for once.

6 Pack · Post by **6 Pack** » 14 Nov 2002, 23:16

I pretty much only saw Gonzalez get his ass kicked so may be my judgement is off. But he looked pretty bad in the Bowe/Witherspoon/Grant fights. He stood straight up and did not really get out of the way of any right hands. He lost to some guys he never should have lost to, or so you would think.

I give ALex a chance, he took FOreman's best and kept coming. I think Stewart by decision, but maybe I am missing some fights that Gonzalez looked real good in. Either way Stewart was the better pro.

overhand_right · Post by **overhand_right** » 15 Nov 2002, 06:05

hmmmm you have to remember alex stewart was NEVER A BOWE, SPOON OR GRANT, not even close. he was always vunerable and limited.

disregard the grant fight, jorges chin was gone by then. yeh he looked bad v bowe and spoon but thats because he was so poorly prepared.

yeh leading up to the bowe fights there was good stuff where he clubbed decent pros into the mat.

cybox · Post by **cybox** » 15 Nov 2002, 09:15

I remember the Evans fight. I don't think Evans even threw a punch...maybe one. It was nuts. Jorge Luis was ll talk and didn't have what it took to back up his mouth and it made him look like a little bitch when he got it ass kicked. I loved it