Ray Mercer v Michael Moorer

[Roco]

Mercer opted to face Holmes instead of Moorer but had the bout with Moorer come off, how would it have unfolded?

[Goodnight, Irene]

Moorer. Close but clear.

[loaded_gloves]

Moorer liked to slug in those early heavyweight days. I feel that would play into Mercer's hands.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Moorer liked to slug in those early heavyweight days. I feel that would play into Mercer's hands.

He didnt like to slug, he just got into a few battles (he won) because he was fond of offense, despite his being a capable defender.

Moorer didnt have Mercer's chin clearly, but he was more accurate, threw faster, and even at Heavy, had the heavier hands of the two.

[clubberlang]

Moorer on points, if he sticks to his boxing. If It turns into a brawl Mercer knocks him out. If they fought ten times I reckon Moorer would win 7 or 8 times.

[Ambling Alp]

Mercer could look bad (Ferguson, most of the Holmes and Damiani fights) and it's easy to see Moorer winning a lopsided decision. However, at times Mercer could looked really good (Holyfield,Lewis, Morrison) it's hard seeing Moorer surviving against that version.

A likely scenario is Moorer winning the early rounds, but gets caught and gets knocked out.

[hhaehre]

I think both guys could win but it's Moorers fight to loose, he was a much better boxer than Ray.

[gilgamesh]

Moorer. Close but clear.

2x

[LeedsLad]

Moorer for me.

His chin wasn't as bad as a lot of people liked to believe, plus I think he had just enough in his punches to discourage Mercer.... and would win a relatively comfortable decision.

[Ambling Alp]

I dunno. Moorer always seemed to cave when he got hit with anything. Mercer had no problem taking Lennox Lewis best shots so I don't think Mercer would get discouraged by Moorer's power. Now it is quite possible that an unmotivated Mercer would get easily outboxed and lose a decision.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Cave whenever he got hit? Don't you think that's extreme?

He certainly didn't cave against Stewart, Cooper or Holyfield.

I like Moorer by wide decision here.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Cave whenever he got hit? Don't you think that's extreme?

He certainly didn't cave against Stewart, Cooper or Holyfield.

I like Moorer by wide decision here.

Its not extreme. Its just flat untrue.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Cave whenever he got hit? Don't you think that's extreme?

He certainly didn't cave against Stewart, Cooper or Holyfield.

I like Moorer by wide decision here.

Its not extreme. Its just flat untrue.

Indeed, I was just trying to avoid a vintage Alp hissy fit.

[Ambling Alp]

Not into hissy fits; that has always been your thing.
By cave, I meant that he was hurt just about anytime he got hit with anything. Stewart, Cooper, Holyfield as you mentioned. Even the first Holyfield fight when Holyfield was way off his game. Foreman knocked him out with one short punch,he barely got hit by Tua and he was out. By world class standards, he had a glass jaw. It's that simple.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

[Goodnight, Irene]

To me, "cave," means fold up altogether, which is how I interpreted it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

To me, "cave," means fold up altogether, which is how I interpreted it.

Silly you, going by what he said instead of what he allegedly meant. Either way, he is painting Moorer as Duane Bobick.

[Goodnight, Irene]

Moorer had plenty of heart, & he recovered admirably from some tough spots.

Foreman was the only man to put him quickly away when he was anywhere even near to his prime. Foreman is what he is, one of the rarest punchers in the game's history. I always felt that fight pretty much ruined Moorer's rep as a pretty damn decent Heavy.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Moorer had plenty of heart, & he recovered admirably from some tough spots.

Foreman was the only man to put him quickly away when he was anywhere even near to his prime. Foreman is what he is, one of the rarest punchers in the game's history. I always felt that fight pretty much ruined Moorer's rep as a pretty damn decent Heavy.

Agreed, he is quite underrated in my view. Much as he is overrated as a light Heavyweight. Mercer's chin and a few good showings against elite competition make him a wise guy pick in many of these mythical fights. While I wouldn't rule him out, more often than not he would eat Moorer's jab all night en route to defeat.

[hhaehre]

Moorer had plenty of heart, & he recovered admirably from some tough spots.

Foreman was the only man to put him quickly away when he was anywhere even near to his prime. Foreman is what he is, one of the rarest punchers in the game's history. I always felt that fight pretty much ruined Moorer's rep as a pretty damn decent Heavy.

Agreed, he is quite underrated in my view. Much as he is overrated as a light Heavyweight. Mercer's chin and a few good showings against elite competition make him a wise guy pick in many of these mythical fights. While I wouldn't rule him out, more often than not he would eat Moorer's jab all night en route to defeat.

Everybody is fawning over the Mercer jab because he was able to land it against Lewis, funny how Bruno is not regarded in the same way as he out jabbed Lewis more convincingly that Mercer did. Anyway, Moorer had a much better jab than Mercer and he landed it effectivly against most everyone he fought, just ask Evander Holyfield.

[barry]

Moorer--UD 12

[Ambling Alp]

To me, "cave," means fold up altogether, which is how I interpreted it.

Silly you, going by what he said instead of what he allegedly meant. Either way, he is painting Moorer as Duane Bobick.

Sorry, didn't know in boxing lingo that cave couldn't mean hurt.
Didn't say he not better than Duane Bobick. I just said that he had a glass jaw for a world class fighter. Not exactly a hard point to prove.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

To me, "cave," means fold up altogether, which is how I interpreted it.

Silly you, going by what he said instead of what he allegedly meant. Either way, he is painting Moorer as Duane Bobick.

Sorry, didn't know in boxing lingo that cave couldn't mean hurt.
Didn't say he not better than Duane Bobick. I just said that he had a glass jaw for a world class fighter. Not exactly a hard point to prove.

No point is hard to prove in your mind. Duane Bobick had a glass jaw, Moorer most certainly did not.

And Cave means hurt? You will go to any extremes to back up your exaggerations. Cave means over to the rest of the world. You can actually sit there with a straight face and say a fighter caved when he got off the canvas to win?

[Ambling Alp]

After all of this time,y ou are still hung up on my choice of verb? I explained what I meant. Cave doesn't have to mean over. A normal, nice person would have said, "oh that is what you meant" or something like that or let it drop. Not you.

Moorer had 6 fights in his career where he fought someone with decent power. He got knocked out in three of them. In the other three he got decked. Could not stay on his feet for the whole fight all 6 times. For a world class fighter, that is having a glass jaw.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

No it isn't, but keep on telling yourself that. If he had a "glass jaw" he would have remained on the canvas every time he was put there. The Tua fight was meaningless, but I know how you love to include fights that are post-prime when they suit your silly little tales.

After all this time? Your stupid wording is what started the exchange. If you would have just said it was a poor choice of words and you were wrong, it would be well over. Instead you tried to defend your word, like you always do when you say something stupid.