khan v peterson- An immense tide of bollocks

[Trojans44]

First time I've ever started a thread but I strongly feel the need to comment on some of the ludicrous pish that is currently being spouted about Amir Khan.

1.'khans boxing skills will see him alright'

Khan doesn't possess even a modicum of a boxing brain. People are confusing the ability to throw fast, flashy combinations in his opponents general direction with actual boxing. He never places his shots, doesn't really throw timed counters and has no defence whatsoever. There's no variety to his work at all.

2. Khan should use his footwork for an in and out style

Sorry what footwork? Sprinting around the ring like a demented labrador is not equivalent to footwork. He is completely unable to deal with an opponent who is quick and able to cut off the ring. Christ he couldn't even get out of gomez's way!

3. Khan has proven his chin.
An astonishing claim. Looked to me more like Peterson shook him to his boots every time he connected. After which he ran all over the ring with no plan at all.

4. Khan just wanted to prove his machismo

I'm actually embarrassed to type that. I think its far more to do with the fact he still has poor punch resistance and is hurt every time a clean shot is landed. He has no idea how to cope under pressure - as we've seen he can't counter effectively and his footwork consists of quite literally running away. What other choice doesvhe have other than to stand there and take punishment.

Most worrying is that khan is blaming everyone but himself, so how can we expect an improvement? The assumption he'll beat Peterson next time surprises me.

A guy who can't avoid maidana and can't hit mcloskey is no p4p er. Peterson is his level I'm afraid.

[observer1]

cool story bro

[Gazmac81]

just watched the fight again there, big respect to both them great fight
think khan will win some , lose some but if hes in fights like this its great entertainmaint

[Quixall]

[rhino222]

First time I've ever started a thread but I strongly feel the need to comment on some of the ludicrous pish that is currently being spouted about Amir Khan.

1.'khans boxing skills will see him alright'

Khan doesn't possess even a modicum of a boxing brain. People are confusing the ability to throw fast, flashy combinations in his opponents general direction with actual boxing. He never places his shots, doesn't really throw timed counters and has no defence whatsoever. There's no variety to his work at all.

2. Khan should use his footwork for an in and out style

Sorry what footwork? Sprinting around the ring like a demented labrador is not equivalent to footwork. He is completely unable to deal with an opponent who is quick and able to cut off the ring. Christ he couldn't even get out of gomez's way!

3. Khan has proven his chin.
An astonishing claim. Looked to me more like Peterson shook him to his boots every time he connected. After which he ran all over the ring with no plan at all.

4. Khan just wanted to prove his machismo

I'm actually embarrassed to type that. I think its far more to do with the fact he still has poor punch resistance and is hurt every time a clean shot is landed. He has no idea how to cope under pressure - as we've seen he can't counter effectively and his footwork consists of quite literally running away. What other choice doesvhe have other than to stand there and take punishment.

Most worrying is that khan is blaming everyone but himself, so how can we expect an improvement? The assumption he'll beat Peterson next time surprises me.

A guy who can't avoid maidana and can't hit mcloskey is no p4p er. Peterson is his level I'm afraid.

good post, you obviously know your stuff! ....

[jimcook]

First time I've ever started a thread but I strongly feel the need to comment on some of the ludicrous pish that is currently being spouted about Amir Khan.

1.'khans boxing skills will see him alright'

Khan doesn't possess even a modicum of a boxing brain. People are confusing the ability to throw fast, flashy combinations in his opponents general direction with actual boxing. He never places his shots, doesn't really throw timed counters and has no defence whatsoever. There's no variety to his work at all.

2. Khan should use his footwork for an in and out style

Sorry what footwork? Sprinting around the ring like a demented labrador is not equivalent to footwork. He is completely unable to deal with an opponent who is quick and able to cut off the ring. Christ he couldn't even get out of gomez's way!

3. Khan has proven his chin.
An astonishing claim. Looked to me more like Peterson shook him to his boots every time he connected. After which he ran all over the ring with no plan at all.

4. Khan just wanted to prove his machismo

I'm actually embarrassed to type that. I think its far more to do with the fact he still has poor punch resistance and is hurt every time a clean shot is landed. He has no idea how to cope under pressure - as we've seen he can't counter effectively and his footwork consists of quite literally running away. What other choice doesvhe have other than to stand there and take punishment.

Most worrying is that khan is blaming everyone but himself, so how can we expect an improvement? The assumption he'll beat Peterson next time surprises me.

A guy who can't avoid maidana and can't hit mcloskey is no p4p er. Peterson is his level I'm afraid.

good post, you obviously know your stuff! ....

yes , i agree

[jaywillo1983]

First time I've ever started a thread but I strongly feel the need to comment on some of the ludicrous pish that is currently being spouted about Amir Khan.

1.'khans boxing skills will see him alright'

Khan doesn't possess even a modicum of a boxing brain. People are confusing the ability to throw fast, flashy combinations in his opponents general direction with actual boxing. He never places his shots, doesn't really throw timed counters and has no defence whatsoever. There's no variety to his work at all.

2. Khan should use his footwork for an in and out style

Sorry what footwork? Sprinting around the ring like a demented labrador is not equivalent to footwork. He is completely unable to deal with an opponent who is quick and able to cut off the ring. Christ he couldn't even get out of gomez's way!

3. Khan has proven his chin.
An astonishing claim. Looked to me more like Peterson shook him to his boots every time he connected. After which he ran all over the ring with no plan at all.

4. Khan just wanted to prove his machismo

I'm actually embarrassed to type that. I think its far more to do with the fact he still has poor punch resistance and is hurt every time a clean shot is landed. He has no idea how to cope under pressure - as we've seen he can't counter effectively and his footwork consists of quite literally running away. What other choice doesvhe have other than to stand there and take punishment.

Most worrying is that khan is blaming everyone but himself, so how can we expect an improvement? The assumption he'll beat Peterson next time surprises me.

A guy who can't avoid maidana and can't hit mcloskey is no p4p er. Peterson is his level I'm afraid.

Tottally agree with you. He kind of reminds me of Ahmed Kaddour who was on the contender, firstly they are both....erm from foreign backgrounds shall we say, secondly they bth look unreal on the pads, bags and general training. Both never say the right thing, both think they are better than they are and both fall flat on their face.

[iftkwoody]

What a breath of fresh air that someone can actually see Kahn for what he is. I could never understand what the excitement was all about. That said he seems like a good bloke and I wish him all the best it does however seem he has been handed wins on a plate and I can't really rate anyone he has fought yet.

[Quixall]

immense tide of bollocks..............

you certainly got that right

[jamesmcdonnell]

Amir Khan....an immense tide of bollocks.

The autobiography, out now in all good bookshops..

I think it might catch on.

[iamasadlittleboy]

All this whining he's doing is really doing my head in. He needs to accept the bloody loss before he starts to turn more fans off him.

[gobbles]

Despite the immense tide of hate on here, what would those having a go at Khan would be also having a at Khan if the situation was reversed?
If the dodgy refereeing decisions that swung the fight Khan's way?
If two British judges had made the difference when the majority of those ringside thought the American won?

[Quixall]

If you look at my post Gobbles, i'm actually being sarcastic

[observer1]

Despite the immense tide of hate on here, what would those having a go at Khan would be also having a at Khan if the situation was reversed?
If the dodgy refereeing decisions that swung the fight Khan's way?
If two British judges had made the difference when the majority of those ringside thought the American won?

Then Khan would be an arrogant and over-rated hype job that will get his dodgy chin checked the next time he moves up in class because i hate him and his twitter account and he should not be looking for big fights but should be facing upcoming and unknown British prospects to prove himself etc. etc.

[gobbles]

If you look at my post Gobbles, i'm actually being sarcastic

It wasn't aimed at you, or any one person in particular

[Quixall]

If you look at my post Gobbles, i'm actually being sarcastic

It wasn't aimed at you, or any one person in particular

I know mate, they will be part of that famous collection of people known as "them" !!

[iamasadlittleboy]

Despite the immense tide of hate on here, what would those having a go at Khan would be also having a at Khan if the situation was reversed?
If the dodgy refereeing decisions that swung the fight Khan's way?
If two British judges had made the difference when the majority of those ringside thought the American won?

It's the running of the mouth and whinging that does my head in, not his skills. I happily admit Khan is skillful, a bit dim and a PR nightmare but he does have some good skills on the outside...he needs to learn what to do in the trenches (he could do a lot worse than watching Ward's in fighting with Froch)

[section4]

First time I've ever started a thread but I strongly feel the need to comment on some of the ludicrous pish that is currently being spouted about Amir Khan.

1.'khans boxing skills will see him alright'

Khan doesn't possess even a modicum of a boxing brain. People are confusing the ability to throw fast, flashy combinations in his opponents general direction with actual boxing. He never places his shots, doesn't really throw timed counters and has no defence whatsoever. There's no variety to his work at all.

2. Khan should use his footwork for an in and out style

Sorry what footwork? Sprinting around the ring like a demented labrador is not equivalent to footwork. He is completely unable to deal with an opponent who is quick and able to cut off the ring. Christ he couldn't even get out of gomez's way!

3. Khan has proven his chin.
An astonishing claim. Looked to me more like Peterson shook him to his boots every time he connected. After which he ran all over the ring with no plan at all.

4. Khan just wanted to prove his machismo

I'm actually embarrassed to type that. I think its far more to do with the fact he still has poor punch resistance and is hurt every time a clean shot is landed. He has no idea how to cope under pressure - as we've seen he can't counter effectively and his footwork consists of quite literally running away. What other choice doesvhe have other than to stand there and take punishment.

Most worrying is that khan is blaming everyone but himself, so how can we expect an improvement? The assumption he'll beat Peterson next time surprises me.

A guy who can't avoid maidana and can't hit mcloskey is no p4p er. Peterson is his level I'm afraid.

totally agree, i have been saying the same thing on my onw local fora, and cant understsand what all the hype is about, if he was american there would not be half the fuss, he is the best in britian at the momonet but in america he would only be one of the rest

[Trojans44]

I have no 'hate' for any fighter, my life is far more full than that. I do find khan to be slightly obnoxious as a man but that doesn't affect my judgement of him as a boxer. If I thought he was top drawer I'd say so. But I don't.

I've given a fairly detailed exposition of the reasons why i think the analysis offered by many on here is completely wrong. Two of those were quixal and observer neither of whom have been able to offer any detailed counter argument to my post despite their involvement in the thread. Sadly its a feature on here that people reply to what suits them rather than what was actually said.

Here's a fact to back my assessment. The best fighters khan has faced are maidana and Peterson neither of whom are top drawer. He lost to Peterson and wad extremely fortunate Joe cortez was the referee against maidana.

[Dixonian]

Everything Trojan says is about right. Khan is a one-dimensional fighter, albeit a very quick one.

[Quixall]

I have no 'hate' for any fighter, my life is far more full than that. I do find khan to be slightly obnoxious as a man but that doesn't affect my judgement of him as a boxer. If I thought he was top drawer I'd say so. But I don't.

I've given a fairly detailed exposition of the reasons why i think the analysis offered by many on here is completely wrong. Two of those were quixal and observer neither of whom have been able to offer any detailed counter argument to my post despite their involvement in the thread. Sadly its a feature on here that people reply to what suits them rather than what was actually said.

Here's a fact to back my assessment. The best fighters khan has faced are maidana and Peterson neither of whom are top drawer. He lost to Peterson and wad extremely fortunate Joe cortez was the referee against maidana.

Trojans, i could go into a mass of detail about Khan, but i have written enough about him on various threads to give people an idea of where i stand. The last two we can clear up now, which is that i agree that Khan still has a dodgy chin and i doubt that he was trying to be macho in the ring. Not all top boxers are all rounders, most have flaws in their respective styles, some are bangers, some counter punches, others can work on the inside, others work at distance. Some fighters can alter their tactics and style to suit an opponent, some just go with what they do best. Khan is a very good fighter, he has has some good wins over Maidana, Malignaggi and Judah. Yes, he was fortunate in the Maidana fight and Malignaggi and Judah were certainly not in their prime, but he still was untill recently a two belt world champion, who has made great strides since his defeat to Prescott. Khan went to Roach to iron out some fundamentals and came up with a style that tries to negate his weaknesses and enhance his strengths. His major weakness was his chin and not being discliplined and tactically aware, something which he can still be accused of doing, his strengths are his speed, accuracy and repatoire of shots. Roach packaged it all and came up with this "in-out" style, move around the ring, keep distance and then attack with flurries of punches. It has proved to be a succesful style, which has taken Khan to the level of a world class fighter and untill recently a double world champion. Khan will always have problems with bangers, because it's difficult to go 12 rounds and not get caught, but against Maidana he chose at times the wrong tactics and decided to brawl. Against Peterson he did the same and it's not his game so he always will look naive and average if he trades with his opponent. When Khan was using his style effectively, Peterson didn't have any answers to what Khan was doing to him. It has been argued and i agree, that Khan cannot fight on the inside and Peterson was on the front foot, comimg forward and trying to cut off the ring and Khan foolishly got caught up in the ropes and appeared a sitting duck at times. Without those points deductions, which i believe were harsh, Khan had won the fight on all the judges scorecards on a night where he didn't box well and didn't stick to his gameplan, it was not a great performance from Peterson, but he showed aggression, heart and courage that night. I have never said that Khan is one of the best out there, i have said on boxrec that he will not beat Pacquaio or Mayweather and have said constantly that Khan is wrong to say he is the best at 140lbs (pre-Peterson) because he needs to fight Alexander and Bradley in my eyes and then have a re-match with Maidana. What i object to is those people that have suddenly decided that Khan has been found out, that he isn't world class, that he is no more than a good domestic fighter carefully managed and hyped by good PR, all on the back of one fight with Peterson, a fight which as i say he won on points without the deductions. If Peterson had won by say six rounds were the poinst deductions became negated, then people may have had a point, but that wasn't the case. Khan is a very good fighter, he is world class and he has developed a style that will beat most people outside of Pacquaio and Mayweather. Does his style have flaws, yes, Will he struggle against certain opposition, yes, is he an all round fighter, no, but that applies to lot of top fighters currently out there. Do you need an all round style to beat the best and be able to change tactics mid fight etc, yes you do, but i'm not saying that Khan is the best, i'm not even saying he has proved himself at 140lbs, but he has the potential with nore experience and honing of his style to be able to beat most fighters out there, abiet the very very best. A lot of this comes from Khan himself who says that he is the best or one of the best and can beat Mayweater blah de blah, so people rightly judge him against that and he comes up short, but that doesn't make him a bad fighter or a limited fighter, it just means that right now the reality doesn't meet the rhetoric. Khan is a world class fighter, he will become a world champion again, he is capable of beating most fighters out there, but that doesn't mean he will be the next p4p king, as also it doesn't mean that he is just a domestic fighter with a great PR machine and managemment behind him. As in life, things are more grey than they are black and white, but it's all entertaining and gives us talking points. I didn't neccessarily disagree with you, just the slant you put on it, but you still had some valid points

[steve689]

For all the talk and excuses he needs to look at himself. He lost the fight because he was complacent, expecting an easy night and got the tactics wrong. A fight that close cannot be labelled a robbery in my eyes, merely a close fight. It could have gone either way and stats show that he pushed or shoved his opponent 49 times throughout the fight (according to the Boxing Truth anyway.)

[Timmbo]

Khan probably saw Peterson as 'another day at office' and probably looked past him. The rematch will be a clinic, Khan will be at his distructive best.