Bellew - I will force a rematch with Cleverly

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Re: Bellew - I will force a rematch with Cleverly

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MachoMan09 wrote:
We don't know what the outcome of a fight between Dariusz Michalczewski and Roy Jones Jr would've been. What we do know, however, is that all Roy's titles at Light Heavyweight were won for him in back room deals between sanctioning bodies, television networks, and lawyers. Roy was the perfect example of a Paper Champion at Light Heavyweight. Michalczewski was the lineal champ (WBA, IBF, Ring Magazine, WBO) and Graciano Rochigiani was the other legitimate claimant made.
Roy was Ring champ mate, not Dariusz, that is one of my main gripes with the much vaunted Ring belts. I did a column on it once, most of the 'name' fighters Roy defended against were fighters Michalczewski had already beaten, Michalcewski was champ before him (I think, writing from memory) and by my reckoning had every right to be called No 1 even though I believe Jones would have beaten him pretty easily.

I agree with what you say re TV and Ring wanting an American champion for marketability purposes, but despite Jones only having won his first 175lbs belt in a vacant title fight, he bagged the lot and repeatedly defended vs the mandatory contenders he was presented with and so I don't think he can be described as paper. He did what we all would expect champions to do and fought them rather than vacate belts for whatever reason, normally political.

The only thing he didn't do as far as I'm concerned is the one thing he should have, fought Michalczewski, which pisses me off as much as it does anyone else. But then Michalczewski was as guilty of refusing to travel as Jones was, so it wasn't all one way at all. It was a case of THEY didn't want the fight as much as anything else.
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Re: Bellew - I will force a rematch with Cleverly

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Darius spent his entire boxing career in Germany. With the exception of 1 soft touch in Poland.

The perfect WBO champ.

Glyn, i know you say Darius had already beaten some Jones opponents He lost his belt to Gonzales by SD - the same fighter was utterly dominated by Jones just over a year previously if I remember, rendering all talk dead. Jones fought him when he was unbeaten.
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It's like déjà vu.

Discussing how a WBO champ would have done in a fantasy fight.

It amazes me how these wbo champs would beat anyone, anywhere regardless of style or circumstance on these Internet debates. Yet in the real world they fought nobody. Yet they get the nod against people who fought everybody.
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Re: Bellew - I will force a rematch with Cleverly

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G0mez wrote:It's like déjà vu.

Discussing how a WBO champ would have done in a fantasy fight.

It amazes me how these wbo champs would beat anyone, anywhere regardless of style or circumstance on these Internet debates. Yet in the real world they fought nobody. Yet they get the nod against people who fought everybody.
Isn't it! Michalczewski did fight in Portugal once early on, Eubank-Essett undercard in Quinta do Largo, think Macho told me he was there too actually. Could look the opponent up but can't be arsed, fella with bleached dreads from what I remember, body builder type
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Re: Bellew - I will force a rematch with Cleverly

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G0mez wrote:Darius spent his entire boxing career in Germany. With the exception of 1 soft touch in Poland.

The perfect WBO champ.

Glyn, i know you say Darius had already beaten some Jones opponents He lost his belt to Gonzales by SD - the same fighter was utterly dominated by Jones just over a year previously if I remember, rendering all talk dead. Jones fought him when he was unbeaten.
And Jones Jr spent his entire career fighting in the US except for a LKO1 to Green in Australia...

you can blame either guy (I blame both) but the result is THEY DIDN'T fight...it'd be like Ward and Bute not meeting...*sighs*
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Re: Bellew - I will force a rematch with Cleverly

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tonyevs wrote:
jessi wrote:
The Dark Destroyer wrote:It was a very close fight whatever the scorecards say, I would love to see a rematch.
X2 and I have a feeling bomber beats him in a rematch !


:roll: .. what has Bellew demonstrated since that makes you feel he has improved?

or..

what has Cleverly shown since that makes you feel he has dropped enough for Bellew to now beat him ..

Ummm? hard one that I`d imagine :witzend:
Well to start with I thought the first fight was a draw anyway, and I believe bellew being in a close fight shocked more people then cleverly under performing, I think bellew has sparred a higher quality since and just gets the better in a rematch :TU:
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Re: Bellew - I will force a rematch with Cleverly

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The Dark Destroyer wrote:It was a very close fight whatever the scorecards say, I would love to see a rematch.
i scored it a draw.

definitely close.

a rematch in wales seems obvious.

but a certain promoter has some problems at the minute it seems. :OhYes:
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