It is a shame that i dont have the time to go through this whole series tonight, because it looks to be a great series of articles, exactly the type I love stumbling across. It is very interesting how poorly Jack rates Dempsey in these articles, though i wonder whether Johnson, even at this late stage of his career was aiming for a big Dempsey pay day.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
Jack Johnson's own story.
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And here is Jack Johnson's version of the mason line and how mentally Wills and Godfrey were not cut out for the championship because of it. I am not sure i believe in this, but it is interesting none theless and it might explain a few things.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
I think i need a page link. This is on page 23. Not sure if anyone else is reading these articles, but if you are you need to scroll through to the back sports pages of the paper. This one is about Jack Johnson's trip to New York as an 11 year old where he met Joe Walcott. Not much from a boxing perspective but interesting none the less.
I think i need a page link. This is on page 23. Not sure if anyone else is reading these articles, but if you are you need to scroll through to the back sports pages of the paper. This one is about Jack Johnson's trip to New York as an 11 year old where he met Joe Walcott. Not much from a boxing perspective but interesting none the less.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 10
This is a really interesting one. It tells how johnson was first discovered by George Siler. Interestingly, it is the only evidence i have ever seen of Jack Johnson's participation in a battle royal also. Jacks dates seem a little out of sorts regarding the Klondike fights, but it is interesting nonethelese.
page 10
This is a really interesting one. It tells how johnson was first discovered by George Siler. Interestingly, it is the only evidence i have ever seen of Jack Johnson's participation in a battle royal also. Jacks dates seem a little out of sorts regarding the Klondike fights, but it is interesting nonethelese.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 10 of the paper
here is a good one, with a brief mention of an unrecorded 1904 fight with Cutler. Johnson basically says that he rates Benny Leonard the best of the current crop, also Kilbane, dillon and Dundee are highly regarded by Jack.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 21
That one is really interesting it covers the Stanley Ketchell myth. Johnson says there was no double cross. He says he carried Ketchell and he took the punch on the glove and went down to help sell pictures. He says that when Ketchell approached he bore in at 100 miles an hour and johnson caught him and knocked out his teeth. Very, very interesting comments. I know a lot of people call johnson out on tall tales, but this does sound a very believable version, i must say.
page 10 of the paper
here is a good one, with a brief mention of an unrecorded 1904 fight with Cutler. Johnson basically says that he rates Benny Leonard the best of the current crop, also Kilbane, dillon and Dundee are highly regarded by Jack.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 21
That one is really interesting it covers the Stanley Ketchell myth. Johnson says there was no double cross. He says he carried Ketchell and he took the punch on the glove and went down to help sell pictures. He says that when Ketchell approached he bore in at 100 miles an hour and johnson caught him and knocked out his teeth. Very, very interesting comments. I know a lot of people call johnson out on tall tales, but this does sound a very believable version, i must say.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 27.
This one is Jack Johnson's list of great fighters. Very interesting comments that jack thought he had quicker hands than corbett but slower feet. Johnson was also confident he had a better punch. also, it is most interesting that he places, on top of the pile as the greatest heavyweight to have ever lived - Bob Fitzsimmons.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
Page 15 has Jack Johnson singing Tom Sharkey the Stingy sailor's praises.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
Here is page 10, telling of how Johnson convinced young Corbett to fight and KO McGovern. It is actually very interesting the way Jack talks about styles. Obviously it isnt as simple as he seems to make it sound, but he certainly does know a lot about this sort of thing.
page 27.
This one is Jack Johnson's list of great fighters. Very interesting comments that jack thought he had quicker hands than corbett but slower feet. Johnson was also confident he had a better punch. also, it is most interesting that he places, on top of the pile as the greatest heavyweight to have ever lived - Bob Fitzsimmons.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
Page 15 has Jack Johnson singing Tom Sharkey the Stingy sailor's praises.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
Here is page 10, telling of how Johnson convinced young Corbett to fight and KO McGovern. It is actually very interesting the way Jack talks about styles. Obviously it isnt as simple as he seems to make it sound, but he certainly does know a lot about this sort of thing.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 15
This one has Johnson's version of the Johnson Jeffries fight. He does seem to play it up a little bit. But it cant be totally discounted. he seems confident that he had jeffries for strength and mentally even in Jeffries prime, although he also suggest Jeffries was in perfect shape, which does seem hard to believe to be honest.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 10
A short description of Joe Grim. Note that, without taking anything away from Joe grim, Johnson does point out that often the visiting fighter would play up to him a little bit.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 27 This tells the alleged fake against Jess Willard. It is an interesting story, and he does at least explain why he waited so long, but really, it is hard to be convinced by it.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
Page 11
This one is mostly about Jack's wifes. Not really boxing related but i have to say, you cant help but feel sorry for the way he was treated by society. Pretty disgusting really.
page 15
This one has Johnson's version of the Johnson Jeffries fight. He does seem to play it up a little bit. But it cant be totally discounted. he seems confident that he had jeffries for strength and mentally even in Jeffries prime, although he also suggest Jeffries was in perfect shape, which does seem hard to believe to be honest.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 10
A short description of Joe Grim. Note that, without taking anything away from Joe grim, Johnson does point out that often the visiting fighter would play up to him a little bit.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 27 This tells the alleged fake against Jess Willard. It is an interesting story, and he does at least explain why he waited so long, but really, it is hard to be convinced by it.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
Page 11
This one is mostly about Jack's wifes. Not really boxing related but i have to say, you cant help but feel sorry for the way he was treated by society. Pretty disgusting really.
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http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
this is Jack johnson according to his wife irene and appears to mark the end of the series.
I hope that some of the posters on here will enjoy this series, there are certainly some enlightening comments by Jack Johnson, who is undoubtedly one of the greatest fighters ever and possibly even the greatest fighter ever.
this is Jack johnson according to his wife irene and appears to mark the end of the series.
I hope that some of the posters on here will enjoy this series, there are certainly some enlightening comments by Jack Johnson, who is undoubtedly one of the greatest fighters ever and possibly even the greatest fighter ever.
Re: Jack Johnson's own story.
hi Boilermaker,I was wondering,is this another previously unknown or forgotten
Jack Johnson autobiography?
I may be mistaken but I dont think I have ever read of this 1929 newspaper series mentioned in any bibliography in any book about him.
JACK JOHNSON'S OWN STORY,
Jack Johnson,Copyright,1929,Graphic Syndicate,Inc).
If it is a forgotten autobiography(like his recently published 1911 French memoirs)
this may be an important find.
How many installments is it in and what is the word count?
Whats also strange is that I typed in Jack Johnson in google newspaper archive search,
and not one of these series of article came up for April-May 1929.
Maybe someone here at Boxrec can make an E-book of this series
for historical reference?
Jack Johnson autobiography?
I may be mistaken but I dont think I have ever read of this 1929 newspaper series mentioned in any bibliography in any book about him.
JACK JOHNSON'S OWN STORY,
Jack Johnson,Copyright,1929,Graphic Syndicate,Inc).
If it is a forgotten autobiography(like his recently published 1911 French memoirs)
this may be an important find.
How many installments is it in and what is the word count?
Whats also strange is that I typed in Jack Johnson in google newspaper archive search,
and not one of these series of article came up for April-May 1929.
Maybe someone here at Boxrec can make an E-book of this series
for historical reference?
Re: Jack Johnson's own story.
I did some additional searches on the web for this.
JACK JOHNSON'S OWN STORY
was a syndicated newspaper series
that was published in 18 installments.
The last chapter published May-8-1929.
It would appear that the only paper available on-line that has this series
is the Saskatoon Star-Phoenix?
This info about this series of articles appears to be only recently known.
JACK JOHNSON'S OWN STORY
was a syndicated newspaper series
that was published in 18 installments.
The last chapter published May-8-1929.
It would appear that the only paper available on-line that has this series
is the Saskatoon Star-Phoenix?
This info about this series of articles appears to be only recently known.
Re: Jack Johnson's own story.
Thanks for this Boiler. Much appreciated.
Johnson thinks Dempsey beats Wills but Wills beats Tunney.
Great stuff.
Johnson thinks Dempsey beats Wills but Wills beats Tunney.
Great stuff.
Re: Jack Johnson's own story.
Seriously,has anyone here previously known about
Jack Johnson's 18 part installment 1929 newspaper serialised autobiography?
I think only one of the installments is mentioned in Geoffrey Ward's book
in its bibliography.
Below the Mason-Dixon Line,but it didnt mention that it was part of
a series of syndicated of articles by Jack Johnson.
Speaking of which,has anyone else here had a problem reading that article
from Saskatoon April-18-1929 page 14 edition?
When I zoom in on it the article and photo disappears.
Jack Johnson's 18 part installment 1929 newspaper serialised autobiography?
I think only one of the installments is mentioned in Geoffrey Ward's book
in its bibliography.
Below the Mason-Dixon Line,but it didnt mention that it was part of
a series of syndicated of articles by Jack Johnson.
Speaking of which,has anyone else here had a problem reading that article
from Saskatoon April-18-1929 page 14 edition?
When I zoom in on it the article and photo disappears.
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Sorry, Brutu
I cant help with when the articles were written as I just stumbled across those articles and then when i realised they were a series i searched the paper. I had not heard of them before I posted the articles here.
I thought they were really interesting and reasonably candid. Finding these series of articles by old fighters really is my favourite part of searching old news archives. I have seen some great ones from Jeffries, Choynski, Fitzsimmons, Lang and quite a few others. Some of the things insights these articles are given are really interesting. While on the topic of these types of series, would anyone happen to have heard from a similar series that was done by Tommy Burns and printed in a paper. I saw someone post a copy of such an article on line a few years ago, but it was only one chapter and i didnt know about News archives back then (and they probably werent as good as they are now). I have never been able to find a copy of such a series. If anyone would have a link to this series i am talking about, it would be greatly appreciated.
Regarding the problem you had with opening one of the articles, i had this problem with one of them, but i think it seemed to work when i closed the browser down and reopened it again.
I cant help with when the articles were written as I just stumbled across those articles and then when i realised they were a series i searched the paper. I had not heard of them before I posted the articles here.
I thought they were really interesting and reasonably candid. Finding these series of articles by old fighters really is my favourite part of searching old news archives. I have seen some great ones from Jeffries, Choynski, Fitzsimmons, Lang and quite a few others. Some of the things insights these articles are given are really interesting. While on the topic of these types of series, would anyone happen to have heard from a similar series that was done by Tommy Burns and printed in a paper. I saw someone post a copy of such an article on line a few years ago, but it was only one chapter and i didnt know about News archives back then (and they probably werent as good as they are now). I have never been able to find a copy of such a series. If anyone would have a link to this series i am talking about, it would be greatly appreciated.
Regarding the problem you had with opening one of the articles, i had this problem with one of them, but i think it seemed to work when i closed the browser down and reopened it again.
Re: Jack Johnson's own story.
Hey Boilmaker,Im a Jack Johnson fan and this series was new to me too.
One would think this would be listed among his other known autobiographies,
such as MY LIFE AND BATTLES(which was also 18 part installments in French magazine in 1911)
and his recently discovered Leavenworth memoirs
that was used for the PBS Documentery UNFORGIVABLE BLACKNESS.
Possibly this series may have been listed in Randy Roberts book or some earlier
book about Jack Johnson around early 1970's?
I had heard that JACK JOHNSON IS A DANDY which was reprinted in 1969,
differs a little from IN THE RING AND OUT(published July 1927),
but I have not seen the first book to compare the two.
If you ask me all 18 installements of JACK JOHNSON'S OWN STORY
should be reprinted(using the same 1929 type set for period flavour)
and maybe published in a hard bound book?
One would think this would be listed among his other known autobiographies,
such as MY LIFE AND BATTLES(which was also 18 part installments in French magazine in 1911)
and his recently discovered Leavenworth memoirs
that was used for the PBS Documentery UNFORGIVABLE BLACKNESS.
Possibly this series may have been listed in Randy Roberts book or some earlier
book about Jack Johnson around early 1970's?
I had heard that JACK JOHNSON IS A DANDY which was reprinted in 1969,
differs a little from IN THE RING AND OUT(published July 1927),
but I have not seen the first book to compare the two.
If you ask me all 18 installements of JACK JOHNSON'S OWN STORY
should be reprinted(using the same 1929 type set for period flavour)
and maybe published in a hard bound book?
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I brought the topic up again concerning this "lost" autobiography of Jack Johnson
that seems to have appeared in only one newspaper the SASKATOON STAR-PHOENIX
back in 1929.
Check out the old timers section over at cyberboxing zone.
we found 17 of the 18 installments of JACK JOHNSON'S OWN STORY.
Scribbs has managed to link,all except one of the 18 installments
of this interesting but seemingly forgotten.
Maybe someone here can scan all 17 of the 18 installments in chronological order for future reference here.
that seems to have appeared in only one newspaper the SASKATOON STAR-PHOENIX
back in 1929.
Check out the old timers section over at cyberboxing zone.
we found 17 of the 18 installments of JACK JOHNSON'S OWN STORY.
Scribbs has managed to link,all except one of the 18 installments
of this interesting but seemingly forgotten.
Maybe someone here can scan all 17 of the 18 installments in chronological order for future reference here.
Re: Jack Johnson's own story.
Boilermaker wrote:http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 10 of the paper
here is a good one, with a brief mention of an unrecorded 1904 fight with Cutler. Johnson basically says that he rates Benny Leonard the best of the current crop, also Kilbane, dillon and Dundee are highly regarded by Jack.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=S ... page&hl=en
page 21
That one is really interesting it covers the Stanley Ketchell myth. Johnson says there was no double cross. He says he carried Ketchell and he took the punch on the glove and went down to help sell pictures. He says that when Ketchell approached he bore in at 100 miles an hour and johnson caught him and knocked out his teeth. Very, very interesting comments. I know a lot of people call johnson out on tall tales, but this does sound a very believable version, i must say.
Regarding Ketchel, I think that the above sounds plausible. I recently watched on Youtube a version of this fight with a very clear picture. It does look like Jack ducks right under Ketchel's telegraphed right hand. It does not appear to hit his chin but Jack goes down.