Excellent point.Diamond WEAPON wrote:Tyson sure as eff wasn't getting draws or losing on points to MWs and LHWs like several other Champs. His "tepid" opposition early on was basically the same types of guys Larry Holmes gets his dick sucked for out pointing and Mike massacred them like a bear catching fish.
Diamond WEAPON wrote:He does for me. Sure, post-prison there was a lot of wasted talent there but people make too big a deal off of exalting a lot of past-ATGs opposition as well. Tyson sure as eff wasn't getting draws or losing on points to MWs and LHWs like several other Champs. His "tepid" opposition early on was basically the same types of guys Larry Holmes gets his dick sucked for out pointing and Mike massacred them like a bear catching fish.
Top 20Goodnight, Irene wrote:Where would you have him?bollox wrote:Not a chance in hell
Maybe i should have elaborated. But i certainly agree that hindsight is essential. I was referring that in hindsight, we found out how much of a joke things were in the "Tyson Camp" predominately most of his career, especially post prison.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Hindsight is essential in evaluating a career. Are people supposed to rank Boxers off of their predictions instead of the results? I always laugh when someone uses that.observer1 wrote:Well hindsight is a wonderful thing. Really don't know why people keep asking the same questions they did then.Goodnight, Irene wrote:I just find it pretty damning that Tyson would take seven years to get a title shot, beat absolutely NOBODY for ten years running, and not have it judged against him.
He couldve gone after Foreman, gone after Moorer, gone after Bowe or Lewis (especially Lewis). Instead, he just made a series of cynical cash-grabs, and as I say, this didnt go on for four or five fights, it was the entire post-prison era.
Not to take away from Douglas and his performance, but like i mentioned earlier, it's pretty obvious from hindsight was that Tyson was a loss waiting to happen.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No argument there, he was always like that. The excuses from fans for the Douglas loss never cease to irritate me. I don't think any version of Tyson wins that night.
He looked just as sluggish at 19 years old vs Tillis, a fight I think could've been a draw without the flash KD.observer1 wrote:Not to take away from Douglas and his performance, but like i mentioned earlier, it's pretty obvious from hindsight was that Tyson was a loss waiting to happen.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No argument there, he was always like that. The excuses from fans for the Douglas loss never cease to irritate me. I don't think any version of Tyson wins that night.
Anyone who was not going to fold within the first 6 rounds would have given Tyson alot of trouble in the latter rounds considering the state Tyson was in, who even sacked one of his trainers because he kept telling him to do his running. (Seriously).
Even watching him, he seems sluggish and lacking in his movement and combo's after 1 or 2 rounds. He was very much like the Tyson everyone got used to Post-Prison. Looking for that 1 KO shot to win, obviously, it didn't come.
That's exactly what I was going to say. Tyson's head movement was part of his robotic attack, that went away for the most part against anybody that was using a consistently hard jab and or movement. Buster whipped his ass from the opening seconds. Mike wasn't badly out of shape or anymore mentally challenged than he usually was. The issue was his opponent, just like it was when Evander owned him.dempseyfire wrote:He looked just as sluggish at 19 years old vs Tillis, a fight I think could've been a draw without the flash KD.observer1 wrote:Not to take away from Douglas and his performance, but like i mentioned earlier, it's pretty obvious from hindsight was that Tyson was a loss waiting to happen.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No argument there, he was always like that. The excuses from fans for the Douglas loss never cease to irritate me. I don't think any version of Tyson wins that night.
Anyone who was not going to fold within the first 6 rounds would have given Tyson alot of trouble in the latter rounds considering the state Tyson was in, who even sacked one of his trainers because he kept telling him to do his running. (Seriously).
Even watching him, he seems sluggish and lacking in his movement and combo's after 1 or 2 rounds. He was very much like the Tyson everyone got used to Post-Prison. Looking for that 1 KO shot to win, obviously, it didn't come.
observer1 wrote:Not to take away from Douglas and his performance, but like i mentioned earlier, it's pretty obvious from hindsight was that Tyson was a loss waiting to happen.SaadOffTheDeck wrote:No argument there, he was always like that. The excuses from fans for the Douglas loss never cease to irritate me. I don't think any version of Tyson wins that night.
