Buster Douglas did...thunderfromdownunder wrote:dude, hardly anyone could "weather the storm" of a prime tysonringsider wrote:Larry Holmes of 1979-81, beats Tyson every time. Larry was not a tomato, and Tyson wouldn't hit Larry, and if he did Larry would weather the storm. Just weathering the storm would have taken the fight out of Tyson. Tyson always had trouble with tall boxers. Larry was a cut above most "boxers". The Easton Assasin TKO 10.
Sweet Scientist wrote:Buster Douglas did...thunderfromdownunder wrote:dude, hardly anyone could "weather the storm" of a prime tysonringsider wrote:Larry Holmes of 1979-81, beats Tyson every time. Larry was not a tomato, and Tyson wouldn't hit Larry, and if he did Larry would weather the storm. Just weathering the storm would have taken the fight out of Tyson. Tyson always had trouble with tall boxers. Larry was a cut above most "boxers". The Easton Assasin TKO 10.
Yeah, the man was a drip at the end of the day.Sweet Scientist wrote:All time greats supply more than 'just a little rain'...and they completely trash 'umbrellas'...Grimm wrote: Douglas didn't have much of a storm to weather it was just a little rain and on that night he happened to have his umbrella.
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you obviously don't read the threads you post on...(not surprising, by the way)...quite a few here think Tyson was an all time great...especially those who think he would beat other obvious all time greats...wlvrne wrote:just to clear it all up for "SS". We've never said that Tyson was an "all-time great". Was he the youngest boxer to unify the heavy weight championship? Yes. The saying goes that the flame that burns brightest, burns shortest. That was Tyson until after the Spinks fight, when he quit being a dedicated boxer/puncher. Did he waste his talent & potential? Yes.
However, and still, a prime Tyson would have beat a prime Holmes.
Yes, Tyson's prime was short; refer to above adage.
When did Tyson ever come close to beating someone as great as a PRIME Larry Holmes???>.... never!. You say yourself that Tyson wasn't an all time great and that is precisely why he would even at his peak never have beaten a prime Holmes. It would take a true all time great to beat Holmes at his best... a Jack Johnson, Ali, ....there are very few heavies in history who would have pulled it off and Tyson isn't one of them.wlvrne wrote:just to clear it all up for "SS". We've never said that Tyson was an "all-time great". Was he the youngest boxer to unify the heavy weight championship? Yes. The saying goes that the flame that burns brightest, burns shortest. That was Tyson until after the Spinks fight, when he quit being a dedicated boxer/puncher. Did he waste his talent & potential? Yes.
However, and still, a prime Tyson would have beat a prime Holmes.
Yes, Tyson's prime was short; refer to above adage.
Tyson wasn't as dangerous and powerful as you say...that's the whole point...he couldn't be counted on the bring his 'A' game...that's the whole point...BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:who did holmes beat that was as dangerous and powerful as tyson???
I think of it as Tyson never fought a guy like Holmes (in his prime)...he sure as hell sucked against Douglas...u might say earnie shavers but other than having power, he was not a great finisher and he had nowhere near the handspeed tyson had. holmes never fought a guy liek tyson.
Apples to oranges...Ali came off a 3 1/2 year layoff...Tyson had just won 37 in a row...and was a 40-1 favorite...TOTALLY different situation...and Ali won big fights after the layoff...Tyson never won a big fight after 1989...apples to oranges...
sweet u say tyson was in his prime against douglas??? u say he was not at his peak bt was at his prime??/ BUT THEN when i saw the same thing about ali in his first fight against frazier, u disagree with me????
...in the end...Tyson lost the fight...it's more HIS resposibility...not his fired trainer...he (Tyson) was the idiot that got rid of the good people around him...he picked his own path...a path to destruction...you can't say Tyson was not to blame for losing that fight...it was up to him, the defending champion, to be ready...tyson was in his prime, but he was not the same fighter cause he didnt train hard and he didnt have kevin rooney anymore. watch him after he left rooney, against bruno he got hit a lot and didnt have his same head fakes and movement anymore. he became a headhunter. had kevin rooney bee with him against douglas, tyson would have slipped douglas jab with head movement and fakes.
You saying that Douglas,Holyfield and Lewis proved that Tyson wasn't dangerous would be like me saying ,Leon Spinks,Trevor Berbick and Larry Holmes proved that Ali wasn't dangerous.Sweet Scientist wrote:You're right...shall I give you a list of boxers who prove that statement...cultus wrote:Tyson wasn't dangerous and powerful
you really know your stuff SS.
Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield (twice), Lennox Lewis...well you get the picture...
.. well who cares... that's what he basically said .. I just highlighted it. ... as I said before SS I think you should watch Tyson's early fights before you sit on a judgement.I second you on that Grimm .... I think that after the Spinks fight Tyson broke down mentally as he made various delusional desicions a la fire Rooney. To SS .. you talk about the Hollyfield fight like it was the same prime Tyson but he had been out of the ring for 4 years cose he was in jaile... no need for excuses there. And when you insist that it was his own fault then he got convicted but was he really guilty... im 100 percent sure he was not. THINK, 4 years in JAILE... what it does to your mentality... he was out of it, pluss.. he was out of his skills as well. How in the world can you say IT WAS THE SAME GOD DAMN GUY who borke jaws 7 years prior...Grimm wrote:You saying that Douglas,Holyfield and Lewis proved that Tyson wasn't dangerous would be like me saying ,Leon Spinks,Trevor Berbick and Larry Holmes proved that Ali wasn't dangerous.Sweet Scientist wrote:You're right...shall I give you a list of boxers who prove that statement...cultus wrote:
Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield (twice), Lennox Lewis...well you get the picture...
well...were you in the room with him and the girl?...or...were you on the jury?cultus wrote: And when you insist that it was his own fault then he got convicted but was he really guilty... im 100 percent sure he was not.
SAME GUY...check fingerprints if you don't believe it...lol...BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:was the tyson that fought tubbs, holmes, and spinks the same tyson who fought douglas?????
answer no, and u can tell in that fight that tyson is not doing the same head movements or bobbing weaving as he used to, and just isnt himself. its his fault he didnt have rooney and didnt train hard, but dont go saying the tyson that beat holmes or spinks would have lost to douglas.
Are you mentally challenged? Ali was an old man whern he fought those guys...Tyson was 24 years old when he got KTFO'd by Douglas...you can't see the difference there? He was 30 when he fought 34 year old Holyfield...and he was the big favorite...you're still usually 90% prime at age 30...Holyfield was closer to over the hill than Tyson...and he still kicked his ass...twice...big time...Lennox Lewis was older too...fighting these older guys should have been an 'equalizer'...not to Tyson...he folded like a bad poker hand every single time he couldn't intimidate his opponent...every single time...Grimm wrote:You saying that Douglas,Holyfield and Lewis proved that Tyson wasn't dangerous would be like me saying ,Leon Spinks,Trevor Berbick and Larry Holmes proved that Ali wasn't dangerous.Sweet Scientist wrote:You're right...shall I give you a list of boxers who prove that statement...cultus wrote:
Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield (twice), Lennox Lewis...well you get the picture...