Jan. 28th, Auckland, Welliver Rules Supreme

[Kronkpride]

It's time to bow down to a Welliver that is greater than you. Greater than Tua, Greater than barrett, Greater than Meehan, Greater than Leapai.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyqy-sNO8lw

[NZ Fighter]

Should be a great fight Moyoyo Mensah vs Chauncy Welliver. Mensah is the African Cruiser champ but lets face it he is soo a Heavyweight. Be great to see Moyoyo fight at a natural weight were he dont have to almost kill himself to make the weigh limit.
Much respect to Chauncy he is the most active Heavyweight in the region has improved lots and has a great record. I hope he get those fights he is looking for.

[foxdog1923]

Nah, nah, nah...Chauncey sucks really bad. I find him not good enough. He wont beat David Tua, Kali Meehan. He hasnt really thought anyone real. Solis is not even anyone of note. Solis got KO'd 1st round by Klitschko.

Welliver should look at Alex Leapai.

[Kronkpride]

Mensah needs to be taken care of first. He is a tough SOB and will be coming to fight. After that, all of the NZ and OZ fighters should be given a hard look. Chauncy is the #1 ranked guy in the entire region. The chase for Tua continues as the #1 target but the others would do as well. I think Monte Barrett would be a quick and easy eliminator win for Welliver too.

The other thing I would like to see is a Down Under tournament at HW. A nice bracket could be made and a title challeneger with huge hype behind him would emerge. I think you have to label Welliver the favorite in any such format. Too young, too strong and too big of a chin to be denied.

[Brute]

Mensah is a cruiserweight who has not fought in over 18 months.

Leapai is the highest rated heavyweight in the region.

[foxdog1923]

Everyones got their own opinion as to who is the best heavyweight in the region. I'd say David Tua and Kali Meehan are the best down under. Without trying to make comparisons with my idea of the best as oppose to both of yours, you have to consider the fact that Tua and Meehan both have more accomplished careers than Leapai and Welliver has.

Leapai has fought names like Travis Walker who has fought some good names but lets not forget Travis Walker lost against those big names. Welliver fought and lost to Solis. They havent shown me why they are the best in the region, I mean these guys havent been seen climbing the mountain, its like you guys helicoptered them up there.

We know the 'real' big names Tua and Meehan have fought and beaten. Like I said before, they are quite accomplished when compared to any heavy in Australasia.

One thing I must say though is that both Welliver and Leapai have improved. Which is always going to happen with passionate individuals. They need to do some calling out.

[dan h]

haha, what "real" big names has Kali fought and beaten?

He lost to Danny Williams, Brewster, Rahman and was totally uncompetitive against Chageav (who is limited himself).

Okello would be the best win of his career.....whereas, Leapai has beaten Okello Peter himself, plus Walker and Beck. I would say that Leapai has had wins over more "real" big names than Meehan

[Sweet P]

haha, what "real" big names has Kali fought and beaten?

He lost to Danny Williams, Brewster, Rahman and was totally uncompetitive against Chageav (who is limited himself).

Okello would be the best win of his career.....whereas, Leapai has beaten Okello Peter himself, plus Walker and Beck. I would say that Leapai has had wins over more "real" big names than Meehan

Meehan beat Brewsterin a lot of peoples opinion, That was for the World title.

I agree with foxdog. Meehan and Tua are the best 2 in this region at the moment. Leapai is getting better all the time though and in a year or 2 might be able to compete at the next level. I havnt seen much of Welliver, But im not sure he would be competitive with Tua or Meehan.

[crusader]

haha, what "real" big names has Kali fought and beaten?

He lost to Danny Williams, Brewster, Rahman and was totally uncompetitive against Chageav (who is limited himself).

Okello would be the best win of his career.....whereas, Leapai has beaten Okello Peter himself, plus Walker and Beck. I would say that Leapai has had wins over more "real" big names than Meehan

Williamson was a much better fighter than Okello and Beck (who was shot by the time he fought Leapai), and to a lesser extent, Walker.

[dan h]

haha, what "real" big names has Kali fought and beaten?

He lost to Danny Williams, Brewster, Rahman and was totally uncompetitive against Chageav (who is limited himself).

Okello would be the best win of his career.....whereas, Leapai has beaten Okello Peter himself, plus Walker and Beck. I would say that Leapai has had wins over more "real" big names than Meehan

Meehan beat Brewsterin a lot of peoples opinion, That was for the World title.

I agree with foxdog. Meehan and Tua are the best 2 in this region at the moment. Leapai is getting better all the time though and in a year or 2 might be able to compete at the next level. I havnt seen much of Welliver, But im not sure he would be competitive with Tua or Meehan.

Great for a lot of people and their opinions, but that doesn't chance the FACT that he lost. So, as I was saying, what "real" big names has he beaten that are better than Walker and Beck? I honestly think if he fights like he did against Chagaev he will get beaten by Walker, actually I might have a few dollars on Walker as I am sure the odds will be good

[dan h]

haha, what "real" big names has Kali fought and beaten?

He lost to Danny Williams, Brewster, Rahman and was totally uncompetitive against Chageav (who is limited himself).

Okello would be the best win of his career.....whereas, Leapai has beaten Okello Peter himself, plus Walker and Beck. I would say that Leapai has had wins over more "real" big names than Meehan

Williamson was a much better fighter than Okello and Beck (who was shot by the time he fought Leapai), and to a lesser extent, Walker.

I take your point re Williamson being better than Okeelo and Beck. I still wouldn't say his any better than Walker.

My point is that Kali's achievements are overrated by most on this Forum. Yes, he is obviously a world class HW, but he has never beaten a top HW in the world and his performace against Chagaev was dreadful. I see interviews with the guy and he seems very likable so its nothing personal. I just don't think he is what everyone here makes him out to be.

[foxdog1923]

haha, what "real" big names has Kali fought and beaten?

He lost to Danny Williams, Brewster, Rahman and was totally uncompetitive against Chageav (who is limited himself).

Okello would be the best win of his career.....whereas, Leapai has beaten Okello Peter himself, plus Walker and Beck. I would say that Leapai has had wins over more "real" big names than Meehan

Williamson was a much better fighter than Okello and Beck (who was shot by the time he fought Leapai), and to a lesser extent, Walker.

I take your point re Williamson being better than Okeelo and Beck. I still wouldn't say his any better than Walker.

My point is that Kali's achievements are overrated by most on this Forum. Yes, he is obviously a world class HW, but he has never beaten a top HW in the world and his performace against Chagaev was dreadful. I see interviews with the guy and he seems very likable so its nothing personal. I just don't think he is what everyone here makes him out to be.

Thats why I would like to see Meehan and Leapai fight. Ofcourse my money would be on Meehan because hes been fighting further up the ladder than Alex has, that and boxing ability. But I like Leapai, he is probably the most entertaining heavy Ive ever seen come out of Australia but his boxing is???......it just doesnt look safe and maybe shown up when he starts to fight top 10 fighters

[Brute]

haha, what "real" big names has Kali fought and beaten?

He lost to Danny Williams, Brewster, Rahman and was totally uncompetitive against Chageav (who is limited himself).

Okello would be the best win of his career.....whereas, Leapai has beaten Okello Peter himself, plus Walker and Beck. I would say that Leapai has had wins over more "real" big names than Meehan

Chagaev was a former WBA World Champion. Before the Meehan fight he had only lost to Wlad Klitschko. Only Povetkin has beaten him since.
Limited?

[buster007]

it was meehans first fight for 2 years or something. it took him about 8 rounds to warm up. then he finally started to land some punches. his timing up until then was terrible. with lead up fights i think ruslan would have been in trouble. he admitted that some of kali's shots later in the fight had stunned him good and he was surprised.

remember that kali found it all but impossible to get an opponent for a very long time, and still does now. none of the contenders would fight him even with kali's no.1 ranking dangling. and valuev dodged him for 2 years even when kali was mandatory.

[convict]

it was meehans first fight for 2 years or something. it took him about 8 rounds to warm up. then he finally started to land some punches. his timing up until then was terrible. with lead up fights i think ruslan would have been in trouble. he admitted that some of kali's shots later in the fight had stunned him good and he was surprised.

remember that kali found it all but impossible to get an opponent for a very long time, and still does now. none of the contenders would fight him even with kali's no.1 ranking dangling. and valuev dodged him for 2 years even when kali was mandatory.

Like De Mori, Kali can only fight whoever is given the Ok by Don King.

[buster007]

actually kali openly challenged all contenders but nobody wanted it. they wanted to weasel their way to the top without having to fight someone with big ko power.

is it any wonder the heavy scene is as lame as it is. kali who was 38/9 was avoided. no wonder the guys that do get to become contenders to take on the klits get whooped when they get their shot. they have barely been tested.

[Craig14]

Is there only 3 pro fights on the bill?

[Brute]

Seven fights. Three twelve rounders, three six rounders and one four rounder.

[Craig14]

Welliver won in the 10th round when Mensah climbed out of the ring after being docked a point for the 2nd time for holding. I think Welliver was doing as much if not more holding but hey what do I know just a boxing fan getting ripped off in N.Z again. I think Mensah was atleast 3 rounds up before he climbed out of the ring. In the other fights Rohit Singh stopped a light heavyweight in about 15 seconds. That's twice I've seen him win in the 1st round and haven't seen him throw a punch yet.......
Also some fat 50 year old yank knocked out another 50 year yank in about a minute. As you can tell I had a great night at the boxing. Easily the most disgraceful boxing show I've ever been to.

[Da Voice]

Welliver won in the 10th round when Mensah climbed out of the ring after being docked a point for the 2nd time for holding. I think Welliver was doing as much if not more holding but hey what do I know just a boxing fan getting ripped off in N.Z again. I think Mensah was atleast 3 rounds up before he climbed out of the ring. In the other fights Rohit Singh stopped a light heavyweight in about 15 seconds. That's twice I've seen him win in the 1st round and haven't seen him throw a punch yet.......
Also some fat 50 year old yank knocked out another 50 year yank in about a minute. As you can tell I had a great night at the boxing. Easily the most disgraceful boxing show I've ever been to.

Can't belive that, given PABA is extremely particular with its matchups

[Craig14]

Welliver won in the 10th round when Mensah climbed out of the ring after being docked a point for the 2nd time for holding. I think Welliver was doing as much if not more holding but hey what do I know just a boxing fan getting ripped off in N.Z again. I think Mensah was atleast 3 rounds up before he climbed out of the ring. In the other fights Rohit Singh stopped a light heavyweight in about 15 seconds. That's twice I've seen him win in the 1st round and haven't seen him throw a punch yet.......
Also some fat 50 year old yank knocked out another 50 year yank in about a minute. As you can tell I had a great night at the boxing. Easily the most disgraceful boxing show I've ever been to.

Can't belive that, given PABA is extremely particular with its matchups

The first fight was a corporate (Ihope it wasn't a pro fight) but the guy turned his back and quit in the first. Then there was the Singh farce and when Funmaker (If ever there was a more inappropriate name) climbed of the canvas from a bodyshot in the 3rd bout the crowd cheered. Somebody was actually giving it a go! It didn't last very long though. Being fair he did well to get to the ring although once he climbed through the ropes he looked f*cked. Shame if he was kiwi he could of used his free bus pass to get home.

[Ipswich Express]

Welliver won in the 10th round when Mensah climbed out of the ring after being docked a point for the 2nd time for holding. I think Welliver was doing as much if not more holding but hey what do I know just a boxing fan getting ripped off in N.Z again. I think Mensah was atleast 3 rounds up before he climbed out of the ring. In the other fights Rohit Singh stopped a light heavyweight in about 15 seconds. That's twice I've seen him win in the 1st round and haven't seen him throw a punch yet.......
Also some fat 50 year old yank knocked out another 50 year yank in about a minute. As you can tell I had a great night at the boxing. Easily the most disgraceful boxing show I've ever been to.

Wow that sounds like an absolutely horrible night of fights. If Welliver really was struggling with Mensah and trailing by 3 rounds, it really says a lot. Would love to know the official scorecards at the time of the stoppage.

[Craig14]

Welliver won in the 10th round when Mensah climbed out of the ring after being docked a point for the 2nd time for holding. I think Welliver was doing as much if not more holding but hey what do I know just a boxing fan getting ripped off in N.Z again. I think Mensah was atleast 3 rounds up before he climbed out of the ring. In the other fights Rohit Singh stopped a light heavyweight in about 15 seconds. That's twice I've seen him win in the 1st round and haven't seen him throw a punch yet.......
Also some fat 50 year old yank knocked out another 50 year yank in about a minute. As you can tell I had a great night at the boxing. Easily the most disgraceful boxing show I've ever been to.

Wow that sounds like an absolutely horrible night of fights. If Welliver really was struggling with Mensah and trailing by 3 rounds, it really says a lot. Would love to know the official scorecards at the time of the stoppage.

I'd be very interested to hear the scores upto that point as well. Apart from all the holding the main event was a good fight. Welliver just got beaten to the punch too often and kept flipping out these silly back-handed punches, He showed why he's never been knocked down though he took some cracking punches flush on the button, didn't even flinch.

[jehu]

Hi first comment on this forum.. but i had to say something never seen such a horrible card of boxing. Rohit won in 15 seconds 10 seconds for the count. Welliver honestly stuggled bad with a man who leads his punches with his head and throws 5 lead rights in a row was his best combo and a lead uppercut everytime they come off the break. Skill wise there was no form at all , welliver was untidy in his combos didnt sit on any of his punches and was getting hit by telegraphed punches for 10 rounds till mensah quited. Might be an off night for welliver but if you cant dominate this guy what you ganna do when you step it up.?? the 50 year old yank could put both them a way. All the best keep up the comedy show at $25 a pop.

[buster007]

heavy fight ended by 3 knock down rule after only 40 seconds ffs.

some of these people should be jailed. i would have demanded a refund. although i wouldn't have gone to watch it with a free ticket anyway.