Has Mayweather's ego finally exploded?

[jaywillo1983]

Not really. Mayweather fights are charged at a significantly higher rate. This has two effects:
1. Less people buy it because its more expensive (giving Pacqiauo a misleading edge in PPV numbers)
2. The overall revenue generated is higher.

Mayweather V Ortiz was 3rd or 4th highest grossing non-hw fight of all time, generating much more than Pacqiauo - Marquez, which was a blue chip fight dont forget.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/313547

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/71 ... llion-buys

Mayweather is self managed and when acting in that capacity has every right to negotiate the best deal possible for himself, particularly when it is clear he brings more revenue to the table than Pacqiauo. For all the criticism, Mayweather gave up all sorts of ground to De La Hoya because he was the draw.



In a negotiating sense its also relevant to note that a chunk of Pacqiauo's money goes to GBP, Top Rank and Freddie Roach. I think even Ariza is on a percentage which is ridicoulous for a ten a penny conditioning coach. Mayweather doesnt have these overheads so he's pocketing huge sums whether or not he fights Pacqiauo. Pacqiauo is the one who'll be getting a significant pay bump with this fight, not Mayweather. Like I said, Mayweather will not earn much more from this fight than any other.

poor poor poor responce

you said and i quote mayweather generates more ppv buys than pacqiauo.

now its, well his ppv is more expensive.

just put your hands up and say, i acted all smug like i knew something about the matter, but you called my bluff and clearly i dont.

call it a learning experience mate. 1-0 right hook

oh and by the way another quote from you
Mayweather will not earn much more from this fight than any other.

again more nonsense out your mouth. it will be his biggest ever pay day by some distance and i dont think any1 other than you would argue that

Its funny how pacman fans say de la hoya was the draw when mayweather fights him, but when pacquiao fights him, that pacqiao is the draw. And thats the reason for the lower ppv.

Its also funny that you apparantly when mosley fought pacquiao he was shot, thats why the lower ppv. Yet you forget to mention that it was mayweather who basically ended his career.

And i find it very strange that you have not mentioned that the lowest HBO ppv ever was Pacquiao vs Clottey.

And why havnt you mentioned that mayweather vs hatton created bigger PPV numbers than pacquiao hatton.

So the 3 mutual opponents, apart from marquez they both have, Mayweather has a total of 4.72 million buys were as pacquiao has 3.4 million. And lets face it, it dont really need an explanation on why pacquiao Marquez had high ppv buys. But the lightning did seem to strike for a 3 time.

And you forget to mention that Mayweather has averaged 1.404 million ppv buys, were as pacquiao has averaged a measley 1.135 million buys.

So i think its time you just put your hands up and say, i acted all smug like i knew something about the matter, but you called my bluff and clearly i dont.

call it a learning experience mate. 1-0 jaywillo

[Trojans44]

Dont really see how my response was poor to be honest. Yes I did say 'ppv buys' but I think my overall point was pretty clear: Mayweather generates more money than Pacqiauo. That is a matter of fact.

Although your correct to say Mayweather will get a career high payday your wrong to rubbish the claim that it wont be much more. Most people Mayweather fights earn a tiny fraction of the overall purse. Pacqiauo will take at least 40%. Do the numbers and you'll find its not wildly more. I'm sure I read Lou Dibella outlining the numbers somewhere -google it.

Despite my involvement in this thread i couldnt really give a shit anymore, its pretty clear that we'd see is a one sided massacre.

[Deserter]

Dont really see how my response was poor to be honest.

Oh, the irony. The point is your response was poor precisely because you were dishonest. Rather than saying you were wrong regarding PPV buys after it was made clear to you in black and white, you instead tried to change tack.
If you can't see that constitutes poor form, something is clearly wrong. All you had to do was say, hands-up, I was wrong regarding the volume, however, there are other pertinent points, you'd have had credibility, but to not have the good grace to acknowledge you were wrong... well, if you can't see that's poor there's nothing more to be said I guess...

[jaywillo1983]

Dont really see how my response was poor to be honest. Yes I did say 'ppv buys' but I think my overall point was pretty clear: Mayweather generates more money than Pacqiauo. That is a matter of fact.

Although your correct to say Mayweather will get a career high payday your wrong to rubbish the claim that it wont be much more. Most people Mayweather fights earn a tiny fraction of the overall purse. Pacqiauo will take at least 40%. Do the numbers and you'll find its not wildly more. I'm sure I read Lou Dibella outlining the numbers somewhere -google it.

Despite my involvement in this thread i couldnt really give a shit anymore, its pretty clear that we'd see is a one sided massacre.

Im with you on all accounts, mayweather earns far more than anyone, and his ppv figures are far more than anyone, that includes pacquiao. If only the idiots who tried to say you were wrong did a little bit of reasearch and type HBO ppv figures in google, it will take them 5 seconds to realise you were right all along.

And to top it off, mayweather would make pacquaio his bitch.

[Trojans44]

Dont really see how my response was poor to be honest.

Oh, the irony. The point is your response was poor precisely because you were dishonest. Rather than saying you were wrong regarding PPV buys after it was made clear to you in black and white, you instead tried to change tack.
If you can't see that constitutes poor form, something is clearly wrong. All you had to do was say, hands-up, I was wrong regarding the volume, however, there are other pertinent points, you'd have had credibility, but to not have the good grace to acknowledge you were wrong... well, if you can't see that's poor there's nothing more to be said I guess...

Bit strong there. Allow me to correct you on a few points.

1. My very first post on the thread was:

Mayweather generates more money than Pacqiauo and he is therefore completely entitled and justified to negotiate more than 50% of the purse.

I think it was Lou DiBella that pointed if Mayweather fights e.g. Ortiz; Ortiz gets $1m and Mayweather gets $20m. So if he fights Pacqiauo and the margins are much closer, neither fighter will earn that much more than they usually do.

So clearly you're mistaken when you claim that I changed my tune. I mentioned revenue from the very beginning.

2. You obviously dont understand the word 'dishonest'. That implies that I deliberately misled people which I very obviously did not.

3. As you can see from jaywillo post above, its not even definitive that Pacqiauo does more buys than Mayweather. The figures can be broken down in different ways.

I think any reasonable minded person would see the overall consistency in my posts.

I therefore put it you, sir, that it is not I but you who has demonstrated the poor form on this thread.

[steve richards]

Mayweather generates more money than Pacqiauo and he is therefore completely entitled and justified to negotiate more than 50% of the purse.

I think it was Lou DiBella that pointed if Mayweather fights e.g. Ortiz; Ortiz gets $1m and Mayweather gets $20m. So if he fights Pacqiauo and the margins are much closer, neither fighter will earn that much more than they usually do.

Would may weather have sold as many tickets at the cowboys ground as pacman, I don't think so.

May weather vs de la Hoya is another one were mayweather sold hardly any tickets, and he lives in Vegas.
Pacmans the draw for sure.

[Trojans44]

This thread is officially a waste of time.

[Monte Fisto]

Why are people obsessed with their favoured fighters pay packet? What does it matter to you if Mayweather/Manny earns 25m or 35m?

Either way it's still a shitload of dough so I suspect your hero won't be claiming benefits anytime soon. Basically it's this cocks greed that prevents us from seeing a fight we should have seen two years ago!

I'm past the point of caring if takes place. I suspect many fans are.

im definately in this boat. Id have paid a few grand to go and see this. Now No chance.

[Deserter]

Dont really see how my response was poor to be honest.

Oh, the irony. The point is your response was poor precisely because you were dishonest. Rather than saying you were wrong regarding PPV buys after it was made clear to you in black and white, you instead tried to change tack.
If you can't see that constitutes poor form, something is clearly wrong. All you had to do was say, hands-up, I was wrong regarding the volume, however, there are other pertinent points, you'd have had credibility, but to not have the good grace to acknowledge you were wrong... well, if you can't see that's poor there's nothing more to be said I guess...

Bit strong there. Allow me to correct you on a few points.

1. My very first post on the thread was:

Mayweather generates more money than Pacqiauo and he is therefore completely entitled and justified to negotiate more than 50% of the purse.

I think it was Lou DiBella that pointed if Mayweather fights e.g. Ortiz; Ortiz gets $1m and Mayweather gets $20m. So if he fights Pacqiauo and the margins are much closer, neither fighter will earn that much more than they usually do.

So clearly you're mistaken when you claim that I changed my tune. I mentioned revenue from the very beginning.

2. You obviously dont understand the word 'dishonest'. That implies that I deliberately misled people which I very obviously did not.

3. As you can see from jaywillo post above, its not even definitive that Pacqiauo does more buys than Mayweather. The figures can be broken down in different ways.

I think any reasonable minded person would see the overall consistency in my posts.

I therefore put it you, sir, that it is not I but you who has demonstrated the poor form on this thread.

Allow me to correct you?! Dear lord, your ego is quite a sight to behold. You made a very clear and explicit statement based on "concrete fact" that was subsequently proven to be anything but. To paraphrase you, I think any reasonable minded person can clearly see that and also see your subsequent attempts to fudge the issue. But hey, if it preserves your ego

[jaywillo1983]

Oh, the irony. The point is your response was poor precisely because you were dishonest. Rather than saying you were wrong regarding PPV buys after it was made clear to you in black and white, you instead tried to change tack.
If you can't see that constitutes poor form, something is clearly wrong. All you had to do was say, hands-up, I was wrong regarding the volume, however, there are other pertinent points, you'd have had credibility, but to not have the good grace to acknowledge you were wrong... well, if you can't see that's poor there's nothing more to be said I guess...

Bit strong there. Allow me to correct you on a few points.

1. My very first post on the thread was:

Mayweather generates more money than Pacqiauo and he is therefore completely entitled and justified to negotiate more than 50% of the purse.

I think it was Lou DiBella that pointed if Mayweather fights e.g. Ortiz; Ortiz gets $1m and Mayweather gets $20m. So if he fights Pacqiauo and the margins are much closer, neither fighter will earn that much more than they usually do.

So clearly you're mistaken when you claim that I changed my tune. I mentioned revenue from the very beginning.

2. You obviously dont understand the word 'dishonest'. That implies that I deliberately misled people which I very obviously did not.

3. As you can see from jaywillo post above, its not even definitive that Pacqiauo does more buys than Mayweather. The figures can be broken down in different ways.

I think any reasonable minded person would see the overall consistency in my posts.

I therefore put it you, sir, that it is not I but you who has demonstrated the poor form on this thread.

Allow me to correct you?! Dear lord, your ego is quite a sight to behold. You made a very clear and explicit statement based on "concrete fact" that was subsequently proven to be anything but. To paraphrase you, I think any reasonable minded person can clearly see that and also see your subsequent attempts to fudge the issue. But hey, if it preserves your ego

If you read my post from earlier that i have put only facts up from the hbo website, you will see that i subsequently proved he was right. Dont worry trojan lad, you have an allied in me. ha ha

[Deserter]

Bit strong there. Allow me to correct you on a few points.

1. My very first post on the thread was:

Mayweather generates more money than Pacqiauo and he is therefore completely entitled and justified to negotiate more than 50% of the purse.

I think it was Lou DiBella that pointed if Mayweather fights e.g. Ortiz; Ortiz gets $1m and Mayweather gets $20m. So if he fights Pacqiauo and the margins are much closer, neither fighter will earn that much more than they usually do.

So clearly you're mistaken when you claim that I changed my tune. I mentioned revenue from the very beginning.

2. You obviously dont understand the word 'dishonest'. That implies that I deliberately misled people which I very obviously did not.

3. As you can see from jaywillo post above, its not even definitive that Pacqiauo does more buys than Mayweather. The figures can be broken down in different ways.

I think any reasonable minded person would see the overall consistency in my posts.

I therefore put it you, sir, that it is not I but you who has demonstrated the poor form on this thread.

Allow me to correct you?! Dear lord, your ego is quite a sight to behold. You made a very clear and explicit statement based on "concrete fact" that was subsequently proven to be anything but. To paraphrase you, I think any reasonable minded person can clearly see that and also see your subsequent attempts to fudge the issue. But hey, if it preserves your ego

If you read my post from earlier that i have put only facts up from the hbo website, you will see that i subsequently proved he was right. Dont worry trojan lad, you have an allied in me. ha ha

Bless you, but your point is utterly irrelevant to this particular issue. When Trojan chose to reply you had yet to post that, so at that point in time his statement of "concrete fact" was in tatters. The fact he failed to acknowledge that and instead switch to another line of argument was poor form. End of.

[jaywillo1983]

Allow me to correct you?! Dear lord, your ego is quite a sight to behold. You made a very clear and explicit statement based on "concrete fact" that was subsequently proven to be anything but. To paraphrase you, I think any reasonable minded person can clearly see that and also see your subsequent attempts to fudge the issue. But hey, if it preserves your ego

If you read my post from earlier that i have put only facts up from the hbo website, you will see that i subsequently proved he was right. Dont worry trojan lad, you have an allied in me. ha ha

Bless you, but your point is utterly irrelevant to this particular issue. When Trojan chose to reply you had yet to post that, so at that point in time his statement of "concrete fact" was in tatters. The fact he failed to acknowledge that and instead switch to another line of argument was poor form. End of.

Well it is a matter of concrete fact that mayweather gets the more ppv, so i dont see your point. I proved righthook wrong with facts coming straight from the hbo website, so im not to sure were yourself and righthook are coming from. As a matter of fact its yours and righthooks poor form in posting incorrect facts, and also agreeing with them, and trying to use them to prove someone wrong, who was in fact correct all along.

[Deserter]

so i dont see your point. I proved righthook wrong with facts coming straight from the hbo website, so im not to sure were yourself and righthook are coming from. As a matter of fact its yours and righthooks poor form in posting incorrect facts, and also agreeing with them, and trying to use them to prove someone wrong, who was in fact correct all along.

Fella, you're making yourself look silly here. Show me where I've posted an incorrect fact? Show me where I've tried to use them to prove someone wrong?
Go and look and my posts again and try and grasp my point - it shouldn't be that difficult to see...

[righthook]

jay willow
Well it is a matter of concrete fact that mayweather gets the more ppv, so i dont see your point. I proved righthook wrong with facts coming straight from the hbo website, so im not to sure were yourself and righthook are coming from. As a matter of fact its yours and righthooks poor form in posting incorrect facts, and also agreeing with them, and trying to use them to prove someone wrong, who was in fact correct all along.


proved me wrong are you having a laugh

what you know about boxing you could write on the back of a postage stamp.

my dabate was that who says mayweather does more buys than pacman and i clearly proved that pacman out sells him. wich is the whole point of this debate is that no one deserves more money than the other man. 50 50 is fair

quit whilst your behind jay willo your looking like a complete and utter fool. DD . deserter has already made you look like an idiot,

leave the debates to the big boys mate, come back in a few years when you know a little more about boxing.

1-0 jaywillow haha you couldnt score in a brothel

[jaywillo1983]

jay willow
Well it is a matter of concrete fact that mayweather gets the more ppv, so i dont see your point. I proved righthook wrong with facts coming straight from the hbo website, so im not to sure were yourself and righthook are coming from. As a matter of fact its yours and righthooks poor form in posting incorrect facts, and also agreeing with them, and trying to use them to prove someone wrong, who was in fact correct all along.


proved me wrong are you having a laugh

what you know about boxing you could write on the back of a postage stamp.

my dabate was that who says mayweather does more buys than pacman and i clearly proved that pacman out sells him. wich is the whole point of this debate is that no one deserves more money than the other man. 50 50 is fair

quit whilst your behind jay willo your looking like a complete and utter fool. DD . deserter has already made you look like an idiot,

leave the debates to the big boys mate, come back in a few years when you know a little more about boxing.

1-0 jaywillow haha you couldnt score in a brothel

Ha ha ha ha, i think the one who looks a complete and utter fool is you, your hand picking your pazquiao stats rather than looking at the overall picture. And then still saying your right even then ive completely proven you wrong.

An who are you like. One of the big boys. ha ha ha ha ha

[jaywillo1983]

so i dont see your point. I proved righthook wrong with facts coming straight from the hbo website, so im not to sure were yourself and righthook are coming from. As a matter of fact its yours and righthooks poor form in posting incorrect facts, and also agreeing with them, and trying to use them to prove someone wrong, who was in fact correct all along.

Fella, you're making yourself look silly here. Show me where I've posted an incorrect fact? Show me where I've tried to use them to prove someone wrong?
Go and look and my posts again and try and grasp my point - it shouldn't be that difficult to see...

I do apologise, righthook posted incorrect info, but you have done nothing but back him up, when his so called facts are utter shite.