fornicate it you can even tell him to send his fighters round but im not botherd he hasnt got any lol ha haleeharding wrote:ha ha and tell him i big lee started it ha ha haROLLING wrote:And the Come dine with me one.rhino222 wrote:in a day or 2 we need to send a link of this thread to FW promotions.
The UFC ship has sailed and the youth of today is realising that you can't polish a turd. British Boxing will only survive with the guidance of the two Franks, Maloney and Warren. Although they have made some mistakes I think they are learning from them. allegedly may or may not succeed but I don't believe that the stable of fighters will not be welcomed with open arms by other networks like Channel 5 or Dave.Boxing Pirate wrote:Only for the bigger fights.leforge wrote: So Allegedly channel would be doing well to get around 40000-50000 viewers.
The problem is, a lot of fans will subscribe for the one off fights then cancel the subscription.
Its the lesser shows which needs the numbers to build up the pot to stage the bigger shows if that makes sense otherwise the numbers will not stack up and the channel will be doomed to failure.
Anyone who is a boxing fan should want this channel to succeed. However, whether we like it or not, boxing, is a dwindling minority sport which simply does not get the numbers to be able to sustain its own boxing channel. The PPV method for the bigger shows will always work because it gets the media exposure to bring in the fans who will not attend the show in person.
Dare I say it, UFC gets the exposure because they have not skimped on the advertising budget and they remain consistent in that absolutely necessary area.
Unless the b allegedly channel gains more numbers it will have to have deep pockets.
Big, large or just round ?steve689 wrote:Mick Hennessy is Britain's biggest promoter in my eyes. By far.
Agree with all of that but it's your last point that hits home. My previous post on here said that the first promoter to realise that paying for boxing is dead and the future ultimately lies on terrestial free to air televiosn will be the guy who wins out. If your figures are correct (and i don't doubt they are ) the truth is that statement of 15 million on terrestial television as opposed to 500,000 on sky and 20,000 on allegedly. Granted, the viewing figures will fluctuate on who is fighting and at what level they are fighting at, but it's a fact that viewing figures are the highest by a long way on terrestial television. Only die-hard fans pay for boxing and it's your casual sports fan who make up most of the audience with fights on the big screen.bengulnaci1 wrote:>Deep breath.....<
To be fair, Warren is still a big player. The fatal mistake he has made though is, he has so marginalised the sport and managed to annoy / frustrate 'proper boxing fans' that now, with his Channel and his obvious reliance now on this same hardcore market to help him fund it and push it onwards, some (like myself) are not willing to part with money for the simple reasons:
- Diabolical PR and quite frankly, an arrogant attitude by various individuals (boxingchat / jabandmove / Buncey).
- An obvious dislike and bias against this site, fauning over ESB (Liles,' Lets ask the ESB mob, they'll know the answers...'). Obviously encouraged and done diliberately. Ayling's and Warren's opinions on BoxRec.
- The product, with a few exceptions, is typically poor. Poor matches, one sided beatings etc. How many re-runs of the same fights ffs.
- Given most 'proper fans' hardly trust him, asking for 60 quid upfront, pushes some away.
- His abhorrent double standards and constant bitter tirades at others further piss people off.
- His motley crew of Buncey, SL and Rawlings hardly endear themselves to 'proper fans'. I used to be a fan on Buncey, listening to his radio shows etc on podcast but since the inception of BN, some wind has gone out of those particular sails.
- Personally, if there is a fight I genuinely want to watch, there are other means to do so.
That's my viewpoint and lets be honest, the fighters are not at fault and if they were to leave, they have plenty of options out there, Matchroom / Hattons / C5 and Mick aswell as others. Personally, I never liked Warren's approach to boxing, he has never improved a fighter. Ever. He takes a fighter with potential and manages to kill their development, all in favour of making them popular (the KO's, the '0'), poor opponents, bogus titles, milking cash cows, charging PVP for blatantly non PVP events etc....I could go on, to be honest.
Boxing used to attract 9-15mill with Warren + Terrestial TV.
Boxing used attract 300-500K with Warren and SKY.
Boxing now attracts 20-50K with Warren and BN.
For appeal and presesnce in the public market MMA / UFC (which I never watch) absolutely destroys Boxing. So, in a way, as bitter as he can be and does express it, I am bitter that he has greedy managed to reduce the sport in th UK, down to 100-200K harcore fans. The sport suffers as a consequence and will continue to do so. Fighters will come through, they always do, but not at the level and quality of years gone by.
You do realise that the amount of sport of terrestrial TV is lower than ever before. Most sports, apart from football, Wimbledon and international rugby union, need to virtually give their rights away for free to get on terrestrial television.Quixall wrote:Agree with all of that but it's your last point that hits home. My previous post on here said that the first promoter to realise that paying for boxing is dead and the future ultimately lies on terrestial free to air televiosn will be the guy who wins out. If your figures are correct (and i don't doubt they are ) the truth is that statement of 15 million on terrestial television as opposed to 500,000 on sky and 20,000 on Allegedly channel. Granted, the viewing figures will fluctuate on who is fighting and at what level they are fighting at, but it's a fact that viewing figures are the highest by a long way on terrestial television. Only die-hard fans pay for boxing and it's your casual sports fan who make up most of the audience with fights on the big screen.bengulnaci1 wrote:>Deep breath.....<
To be fair, Warren is still a big player. The fatal mistake he has made though is, he has so marginalised the sport and managed to annoy / frustrate 'proper boxing fans' that now, with his Channel and his obvious reliance now on this same hardcore market to help him fund it and push it onwards, some (like myself) are not willing to part with money for the simple reasons:
- Diabolical PR and quite frankly, an arrogant attitude by various individuals (boxingchat / jabandmove / Buncey).
- An obvious dislike and bias against this site, fauning over ESB (Liles,' Lets ask the ESB mob, they'll know the answers...'). Obviously encouraged and done diliberately. Ayling's and Warren's opinions on BoxRec.
- The product, with a few exceptions, is typically poor. Poor matches, one sided beatings etc. How many re-runs of the same fights ffs.
- Given most 'proper fans' hardly trust him, asking for 60 quid upfront, pushes some away.
- His abhorrent double standards and constant bitter tirades at others further piss people off.
- His motley crew of Buncey, SL and Rawlings hardly endear themselves to 'proper fans'. I used to be a fan on Buncey, listening to his radio shows etc on podcast but since the inception of BN, some wind has gone out of those particular sails.
- Personally, if there is a fight I genuinely want to watch, there are other means to do so.
That's my viewpoint and lets be honest, the fighters are not at fault and if they were to leave, they have plenty of options out there, Matchroom / Hattons / C5 and Mick aswell as others. Personally, I never liked Warren's approach to boxing, he has never improved a fighter. Ever. He takes a fighter with potential and manages to kill their development, all in favour of making them popular (the KO's, the '0'), poor opponents, bogus titles, milking cash cows, charging PVP for blatantly non PVP events etc....I could go on, to be honest.
Boxing used to attract 9-15mill with Warren + Terrestial TV.
Boxing used attract 300-500K with Warren and SKY.
Boxing now attracts 20-50K with Warren and BN.
For appeal and presesnce in the public market MMA / UFC (which I never watch) absolutely destroys Boxing. So, in a way, as bitter as he can be and does express it, I am bitter that he has greedy managed to reduce the sport in th UK, down to 100-200K harcore fans. The sport suffers as a consequence and will continue to do so. Fighters will come through, they always do, but not at the level and quality of years gone by.
Sky average boxing figures are around 100000 froch v ward got about 250000. allegedly probably around 10000ish subscribers from what people are saying. Hennessy gets around 2 million which is very good for channel 5!bengulnaci1 wrote:The figures I have used were figures quoted around the times of major boxing events, so they may be a little over inflated but that goes for all of them. Either way, I doubt they are very much off the reality.
Beyond naive I'd say! 9-15mill was maybe possible in the 90's when there was a much, much smaller audience share in terms of channels available but there is not a single British boxer around now who could command 10 million plus TV's tuning in.gobbles wrote:You do realise that the amount of sport of terrestrial TV is lower than ever before. Most sports, apart from football, Wimbledon and international rugby union, need to virtually give their rights away for free to get on terrestrial television.Quixall wrote:Agree with all of that but it's your last point that hits home. My previous post on here said that the first promoter to realise that paying for boxing is dead and the future ultimately lies on terrestial free to air televiosn will be the guy who wins out. If your figures are correct (and i don't doubt they are ) the truth is that statement of 15 million on terrestial television as opposed to 500,000 on sky and 20,000 on Allegedly channel. Granted, the viewing figures will fluctuate on who is fighting and at what level they are fighting at, but it's a fact that viewing figures are the highest by a long way on terrestial television. Only die-hard fans pay for boxing and it's your casual sports fan who make up most of the audience with fights on the big screen.bengulnaci1 wrote:>Deep breath.....<
To be fair, Warren is still a big player. The fatal mistake he has made though is, he has so marginalised the sport and managed to annoy / frustrate 'proper boxing fans' that now, with his Channel and his obvious reliance now on this same hardcore market to help him fund it and push it onwards, some (like myself) are not willing to part with money for the simple reasons:
- Diabolical PR and quite frankly, an arrogant attitude by various individuals (boxingchat / jabandmove / Buncey).
- An obvious dislike and bias against this site, fauning over ESB (Liles,' Lets ask the ESB mob, they'll know the answers...'). Obviously encouraged and done diliberately. Ayling's and Warren's opinions on BoxRec.
- The product, with a few exceptions, is typically poor. Poor matches, one sided beatings etc. How many re-runs of the same fights ffs.
- Given most 'proper fans' hardly trust him, asking for 60 quid upfront, pushes some away.
- His abhorrent double standards and constant bitter tirades at others further piss people off.
- His motley crew of Buncey, SL and Rawlings hardly endear themselves to 'proper fans'. I used to be a fan on Buncey, listening to his radio shows etc on podcast but since the inception of BN, some wind has gone out of those particular sails.
- Personally, if there is a fight I genuinely want to watch, there are other means to do so.
That's my viewpoint and lets be honest, the fighters are not at fault and if they were to leave, they have plenty of options out there, Matchroom / Hattons / C5 and Mick aswell as others. Personally, I never liked Warren's approach to boxing, he has never improved a fighter. Ever. He takes a fighter with potential and manages to kill their development, all in favour of making them popular (the KO's, the '0'), poor opponents, bogus titles, milking cash cows, charging PVP for blatantly non PVP events etc....I could go on, to be honest.
Boxing used to attract 9-15mill with Warren + Terrestial TV.
Boxing used attract 300-500K with Warren and SKY.
Boxing now attracts 20-50K with Warren and BN.
For appeal and presesnce in the public market MMA / UFC (which I never watch) absolutely destroys Boxing. So, in a way, as bitter as he can be and does express it, I am bitter that he has greedy managed to reduce the sport in th UK, down to 100-200K harcore fans. The sport suffers as a consequence and will continue to do so. Fighters will come through, they always do, but not at the level and quality of years gone by.
The only reason that horse racing, for instance, is on Channel 4 every week is because Sheikh Mohammed paid for it. Even F1 has turned its back on terrestrial TV. How much do you think the BBC pays for rowing, or cycling, or bowls? Do you think they would chose boxing over cricket?
ITV is virtually bankrupt, BBC is faced with millions in cuts and won't pay for anything.
If you think the future of sport is on terrestrial TV, you are breathtakingly naive.
Mind Ch5 have managed a combined total of three shows and five fights in six months! It's terrific to see them involved and all credit to Hennessy, he seems more inventive in ways of screening his fights than any other UK promoter (poss bar HAttons), but it token stuff. Sky and allegedly are the only TV outlets for British boxing that generate dough into the sportleforge wrote:Sky average boxing figures are around 100000 froch v ward got about 250000. Allegedly channel probably around 10000ish subscribers from what people are saying. Hennessy gets around 2 million which is very good for channel 5!bengulnaci1 wrote:The figures I have used were figures quoted around the times of major boxing events, so they may be a little over inflated but that goes for all of them. Either way, I doubt they are very much off the reality.
It's a fact that sports fans make up the majority of a boxing "audience" because die-hard fans make up only a minority of people watching boxing. The figures for allegedly show that. Most casual sports fans will not pay money to watch fighters they know very little or nothing about. PPV is dying unless you talk about Mayweather or Pacquaio or a few others. The top fighters on ppv over last 10 to 15 years made there names on terrestial television before moving over to the satelite and cable tv networks and it worked because they had a name to sell. People will not pay to watch a talented fighter develop his career in small halls working towards a title, they will only consider paying for the named boxers.gobbles wrote:You do realise that the amount of sport of terrestrial TV is lower than ever before. Most sports, apart from football, Wimbledon and international rugby union, need to virtually give their rights away for free to get on terrestrial television.Quixall wrote:Agree with all of that but it's your last point that hits home. My previous post on here said that the first promoter to realise that paying for boxing is dead and the future ultimately lies on terrestial free to air televiosn will be the guy who wins out. If your figures are correct (and i don't doubt they are ) the truth is that statement of 15 million on terrestial television as opposed to 500,000 on sky and 20,000 on Allegedly channel. Granted, the viewing figures will fluctuate on who is fighting and at what level they are fighting at, but it's a fact that viewing figures are the highest by a long way on terrestial television. Only die-hard fans pay for boxing and it's your casual sports fan who make up most of the audience with fights on the big screen.bengulnaci1 wrote:>Deep breath.....<
To be fair, Warren is still a big player. The fatal mistake he has made though is, he has so marginalised the sport and managed to annoy / frustrate 'proper boxing fans' that now, with his Channel and his obvious reliance now on this same hardcore market to help him fund it and push it onwards, some (like myself) are not willing to part with money for the simple reasons:
- Diabolical PR and quite frankly, an arrogant attitude by various individuals (boxingchat / jabandmove / Buncey).
- An obvious dislike and bias against this site, fauning over ESB (Liles,' Lets ask the ESB mob, they'll know the answers...'). Obviously encouraged and done diliberately. Ayling's and Warren's opinions on BoxRec.
- The product, with a few exceptions, is typically poor. Poor matches, one sided beatings etc. How many re-runs of the same fights ffs.
- Given most 'proper fans' hardly trust him, asking for 60 quid upfront, pushes some away.
- His abhorrent double standards and constant bitter tirades at others further piss people off.
- His motley crew of Buncey, SL and Rawlings hardly endear themselves to 'proper fans'. I used to be a fan on Buncey, listening to his radio shows etc on podcast but since the inception of BN, some wind has gone out of those particular sails.
- Personally, if there is a fight I genuinely want to watch, there are other means to do so.
That's my viewpoint and lets be honest, the fighters are not at fault and if they were to leave, they have plenty of options out there, Matchroom / Hattons / C5 and Mick aswell as others. Personally, I never liked Warren's approach to boxing, he has never improved a fighter. Ever. He takes a fighter with potential and manages to kill their development, all in favour of making them popular (the KO's, the '0'), poor opponents, bogus titles, milking cash cows, charging PVP for blatantly non PVP events etc....I could go on, to be honest.
Boxing used to attract 9-15mill with Warren + Terrestial TV.
Boxing used attract 300-500K with Warren and SKY.
Boxing now attracts 20-50K with Warren and BN.
For appeal and presesnce in the public market MMA / UFC (which I never watch) absolutely destroys Boxing. So, in a way, as bitter as he can be and does express it, I am bitter that he has greedy managed to reduce the sport in th UK, down to 100-200K harcore fans. The sport suffers as a consequence and will continue to do so. Fighters will come through, they always do, but not at the level and quality of years gone by.
The only reason that horse racing, for instance, is on Channel 4 every week is because Sheikh Mohammed paid for it. Even F1 has turned its back on terrestrial TV. How much do you think the BBC pays for rowing, or cycling, or bowls? Do you think they would chose boxing over cricket?
ITV is virtually bankrupt, BBC is faced with millions in cuts and won't pay for anything.
If you think the future of sport is on terrestrial TV, you are breathtakingly naive.
C5 are paying Mick peanuts (apparently) but if it catches on then naturally the revenue will increase. Basic arithmetic and business sense.fizzjambo wrote:Ch5 is paying Mick peanuts (he had no where else to go). ITV is cash strapped and has dumped boxing a few times in recent times. The BBC has NO INTEREST IN PRO BOXING WHATSOEVER! I'd love terrestrial TV to get involved in boxing but bar the Champions league wha other sport does it champion? Ain't gonna happen people
How do you incorporate BN into this revelation?fizzjambo wrote:but it token stuff. Sky and Allegedly channel are the only TV outlets for British boxing that generate dough into the sport
Yeah, that is my viewpoint exactly matebengulnaci1 wrote:C5 are paying Mick peanuts (apparently) but if it catches on then naturally the revenue will increase. Basic arithmetic and business sense.fizzjambo wrote:Ch5 is paying Mick peanuts (he had no where else to go). ITV is cash strapped and has dumped boxing a few times in recent times. The BBC has NO INTEREST IN PRO BOXING WHATSOEVER! I'd love terrestrial TV to get involved in boxing but bar the Champions league wha other sport does it champion? Ain't gonna happen people
So what you do is invest time and effort with a larger terrestial site which can offer a significantly LARGER viewer base and see how it goes. Surely decent business model to follow. Given the fact Mick, Fury and C5 have had viewing figures ranging from 2-4 mill. Dwarfing anything SKY and BN can ever compete with, hence why people, even at my work place recognise Fury and even Eubank Jnr. Major, major plus and respect to Mick, regardless whether he had other options or not, he is using some forsight and willing to sacrifice milking whoever now, knowing that greater rewards and recognition may follow.
Now compare that with what BN gets. You pay 60 quid for 6 months. Yes, you may get more boxing but the Sports suffers, you, as a viewer may enjoy it, putting aside the fact 98% of the time you know who the winner is, the constant re-runs, bland presentation and frankly poor quality. So in essence your paying this money, getting a load of mistmatches, bogus titles and a tiny audience. Hmmm seems like Boxing is onto a winner here.......
Terrestial TV may not be interested at the moment, but these things work in cycles. What Warren has done, unwittingly, is devalued the sport to such a degree, that the fighters will ultimately suffer, with lack of viewrs, coverage and purses, in this country will gradually get smaller and smaller. At that point TV may deem it feasible to get involved, given the massive viewing figures Boxing on BBC or ITV always have attracted, with much lower costs all round.
Result - The sports begin to flourish again. Now if you either work for Warren and BN, you naturally don't want that to happen as you will likely lose out. Negative talk is just that. Boxing will return to Terrestial TV and like Quix said, the one with the vision to get in there early will be the winner.
It's on there, I set it to record last night.stujones wrote:Not placing their schedule on the Sky EPG isn't going to help matters.... are they showing Chavez vs Rubio or not?
What time.... it is this Saturday night / Sunday morning? I've got the Cunnigham vs Hernandez one for primetime sat night.... it say Margarito vs Cotto for early hours of Sunday.Final round wrote:It's on there, I set it to record last night.stujones wrote:Not placing their schedule on the Sky EPG isn't going to help matters.... are they showing Chavez vs Rubio or not?
Brian Moore, keep to rugby instead of making out you know anything about boxing.Brian Moore wrote:The UFC ship has sailed and the youth of today is realising that you can't polish a turd. British Boxing will only survive with the guidance of the two Franks, Maloney and Warren. Although they have made some mistakes I think they are learning from them. Allegedly channel may or may not succeed but I don't believe that the stable of fighters will not be welcomed with open arms by other networks like Channel 5 or Dave.Boxing Pirate wrote:Only for the bigger fights.leforge wrote: So Allegedly channel would be doing well to get around 40000-50000 viewers.
The problem is, a lot of fans will subscribe for the one off fights then cancel the subscription.
Its the lesser shows which needs the numbers to build up the pot to stage the bigger shows if that makes sense otherwise the numbers will not stack up and the channel will be doomed to failure.
Anyone who is a boxing fan should want this channel to succeed. However, whether we like it or not, boxing, is a dwindling minority sport which simply does not get the numbers to be able to sustain its own boxing channel. The PPV method for the bigger shows will always work because it gets the media exposure to bring in the fans who will not attend the show in person.
Dare I say it, UFC gets the exposure because they have not skimped on the advertising budget and they remain consistent in that absolutely necessary area.
Unless the b allegedly channel gains more numbers it will have to have deep pockets.
Stu I can't check now at work but last night I scrolled through to Sun morning and there was Chavez v Rubio.stujones wrote:What time.... it is this Saturday night / Sunday morning? I've got the Cunnigham vs Hernandez one for primetime sat night.... it say Margarito vs Cotto for early hours of Sunday.Final round wrote:It's on there, I set it to record last night.stujones wrote:Not placing their schedule on the Sky EPG isn't going to help matters.... are they showing Chavez vs Rubio or not?
Just checked my sky app and its listed as 2am Sunday morning.Final round wrote:Stu I can't check now at work but last night I scrolled through to Sun morning and there was Chavez v Rubio.stujones wrote:What time.... it is this Saturday night / Sunday morning? I've got the Cunnigham vs Hernandez one for primetime sat night.... it say Margarito vs Cotto for early hours of Sunday.Final round wrote: It's on there, I set it to record last night.
