Bonecrusher's fight with Razor Ruddock

[6 Pack]

I have not seen this fight but I have a few questions about it...was Bonecrusher stopped on cuts or was he being battered? Was he dropped? Plus I read Bonecrusher said the punch he hit Razor with that dropped him was the hardest punch he has ever landed! Smith said Razor flew across the ring! Is that true? If it is then it must have been a great fight.

[Hookie]

It was exciting. Ruddock was on a roll back then. He knocked Smith out cold in the 7th round. Smith was out for several minutes. Ruddock knocked out Dokes in the 4th round 9 months later and had him out for a few minutes as well. Two very brutal knockouts.

[overhand_right]

i have the fight. in the second round bone hit razor with a crushing right hand that took him clean off his feet and sent him down face on the mat.

razor fought back over the next few rounds, bone increasingly looked exhausted and in the 7th he sort of lays back and gets cracked with a devastating "smash" and hes out cold on his face.

no one else ever knocked bone clean out.

[shyguy]

tyson would of knocked if smith didnt hold so much?.

[Roco]

tyson would of knocked if smith didnt hold so much?.

Probably but not in such dramitic fashion.

[Cutman Scabbers]

tyson would of knocked if smith didnt hold so much?.

If Bonecrusher hadn't held so much, he might have knocked Tyson out!

[zurdo]

That must have been shortly after Razor got into the 'roids Interesting how quickly he went from this skinny speedster cruiserweight dude to the hulking brute who laid out the Bonecrusher with one punch.

[loaded_gloves]

What a stupid thing to write. Another poorly researched troll out to spread bullshit. Ruddock demanded steroid testing prior to the Tyson fights and the Lewis fight. He was very paranoid about opponents using PEDs and was always open to all drug testing.

What's really fascinating is that in 1991, Tyson paid Ruddock a fat wad to STOP talking about steroids and not take the test.

[zurdo]

What a stupid thing to write. Another poorly researched troll out to spread bullshit. Ruddock demanded steroid testing prior to the Tyson fights and the Lewis fight. He was very paranoid about opponents using PEDs and was always open to all drug testing.

What's really fascinating is that in 1991, Tyson paid Ruddock a fat wad to STOP talking about steroids and not take the test.

You seem awfully defensive Citations please.

[Bricks]

What a stupid thing to write. Another poorly researched troll out to spread bullshit. Ruddock demanded steroid testing prior to the Tyson fights and the Lewis fight. He was very paranoid about opponents using PEDs and was always open to all drug testing.

What's really fascinating is that in 1991, Tyson paid Ruddock a fat wad to STOP talking about steroids and not take the test.

Exactly . Ruddock was an incerdible specimin and natural athlete . He had all the tools, durable, tough, could dance and move quickly (although he chose not to post 1988), unique armoury of powerpunches from strange angles, a jab (which again he neglected after 1990, strength and stamina and chin in abundance (although the latter two also seemed to leave him after Tyson.

Also Ruddock didnt stop Bonecrusher with one punch per se it was a quick brutal combination....earlier bonecrusher had clubbed ruddock to the floor and ruddock had been on the canvas face first laughing....he always did hold the record for going down laughing

[zurdo]

Not only did Razor bulk up inexplicably He also had a reputation as a surly nasty character who was prone to angry sometimes violent outbursts. Plus he also had an unsual amount of his prime lost to cancellations due to injuries. However I donit necessarily blame Razor if it's true because he was making the smart business decision. Skinny speedy cruiserweights don't make anywhere close to. the amount Razor made. From fighting Tyson and Lewis

[loaded_gloves]

Its such a moronic thing to say. Ruddock turned pro at 183lbs, but in 1982 and at NINETEEN YEAR OLD.

Do you not think that Razor might just have been a growing boy? If you look at his weight increase throughout the 80s, it is incredibly gradual. By 89, when he met Bonecrusher, he was a fully grown TWENTY FIVE YEAR OLD MAN, not to mention with seven years of a constant professional athlete's diet and training. Make sense?

Christ, he's 6'3 with an 82 inch reach. That's a big bloke. Do you honestly think his natural physique was a cruiserweight? Really??

You have NO evidence whatsoever to back up your claim of him using roids, yet want ME to provide evidence he made all these anti-drugs remarks and took this stance when it happened on such an open, vocal public stage? Hilarious. If you followed boxing at the time, watched the fights, read the mags, had the books, you'd realise how completely stupid calling Ruddock a steroid abuser really is. You could research this yourself and find these easily available facts about Ruddock. Do a google news archive search on Ruddock, Tyson, Lewis, steroids perhaps?

To cite 'injuries' and 'prone to violent outbursts' as evidence is actually laughable. Can you prove he EVER had a violent outburst? And if so, doesn't Mr Anti-Steroids himself Floyd Mayweather fit your exact (flimsy, unreliable) description of Ruddock "a surly nasty character who was prone to angry sometimes violent outbursts"? Stanley Ketchel also fits that description - was he on steroids?

Please do your research fella.

[zurdo]

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1988-0 ... ge-crolius.
I know Razor was fond of accusing his opponents abusing steroids and daring them to take the PED test . I know he accused both Tyson and Lewis (neither of whom experienced such a massive growth spurt between the ages of 19 and 25) Despite Razor"s jawing there was no mention of an actual test being taken by anyone. Rather than "anti-drug statements" sounds much more like pre-fight trash talk which I don't take seriously unless they prove it in the ring. LOL if Razor wasn't juicing against Lennox then he probably should have been considering the way it turned out for him..

[Goodnight, Irene]

[zurdo]

NEWSFLASH:Pre fight trash talk turns out to be complete bullshit!
Actually all those guys from that time Tyson, Holyfeild, Lewis Ruddock and Bowe were routinely accused by one
opponent or another of being juicers it was pretty standard pre-fight press conference jawing back in those days . Some of them ,
no doubt, were doing it. I don't condemn them for that there were millions of dollars at stake
One of the most annoying things about Floyd Mayweather jr is his complete lack of originality at trash talk.

[loaded_gloves]

Well, I guess it would be too embarrassing for you to hold your hands up and say 'I was completely wrong'. I find your avoiding of the questions, inventing of new facts and desperate grasping at straws actually more embarrassing.

You've basically undermined anything you have to say as far as boxing goes.

[zurdo]

Well obviously I never personally saw Razor Ruddock shoot himself up with roids. Like most things on this board it's speculation not established fact. However , I do cite plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest that it might be the case. Massive gains in size and strength, violent outbursts and he did pull out of lots of fights with injuries, Plus he had a rather massive financial incentive to do so. He could make a lot more more money in one big fight with Tyson than he could in an entire long career as a skinny speedy cruiserweight no matter how talented he may have been. Loaded Gloves Your moniker shows you have an affinity for cheaters anyway so perhaps that's the source of your righteous indignation.

[Bricks]

Not only did Razor bulk up inexplicably He also had a reputation as a surly nasty character who was prone to angry sometimes violent outbursts. Plus he also had an unsual amount of his prime lost to cancellations due to injuries. However I donit necessarily blame Razor if it's true because he was making the smart business decision. Skinny speedy cruiserweights don't make anywhere close to. the amount Razor made. From fighting Tyson and Lewis

You really are an absolute ignorant troublemaker arent you? instead of making outlandish slanderous accusations about Razor , provide some basic evidence to back up your rants.

Ruddock prided himself on carrying himself like a gentleman. He would wear fancy suits in interviews and was very well spoken.

The only "angry violent" outburst, was a situation in an airport when a american security man was rude to Razors sister and Razor intervened . He wasnt charged for anything and it was hardly "angry and violent" as Razor got an apology.

Ruddock was an articulate man, who after boxing invented a superb trash compactor device.

He didnt have an "unuusual amount of his prime lost to injuries" it was mostly contractual stuff..FYI Ruddock was already the next in line to Tyson but chose to take on the still dangerous Dokes who was favoured to beat him and instead razor scored a mind blowing KO.....Tyson made him wait otherwise he would have got the Tyson , Douglas got..Ruddock took on a still brutal Tyson twice in 3 months!!!!!..and than he was screwed royally by murad muhamhed and lost years of his prime due to that... do do some research before you flap your ignorant gums and put down a man who gave his blood to this hardest of sports.

[loaded_gloves]

Exactly. Hats off to Mugabi.

Also - where was this angry violent man when Tyson was calling him a homosexual at the press conferences and making sexual jailhouse style threats towards him? Ruddock never lowered himself to it. He conducted himself with class.

I'm at a loss for what fights Ruddock dropped out of, and how it related to steroid abuse but I think we can basically dismiss that nonsense. I know he lost years because he initially retired after the demoralising loss to Lennox Lewis, and later attempted at comeback which was sidelined due to contractual problems with Don King, Murad Muhammad and his seemingly problematic younger brother.

Ruddock was profiled in an excellent 1990 Boxing Monthly and it did refer to his recurrent hand injuries - the scourge of the big puncher and something that hampered Naseem Hamed, Gerald McClellan and many other big hitters. No drug issue.

[energie]

What a stupid thing to write. Another poorly researched troll out to spread bullshit. Ruddock demanded steroid testing prior to the Tyson fights and the Lewis fight. He was very paranoid about opponents using PEDs and was always open to all drug testing.

What's really fascinating is that in 1991, Tyson paid Ruddock a fat wad to STOP talking about steroids and not take the test.

tyson paid $25 grand not to take a steriod test....lennox told ruddock he wasnttakin a steroid test at the prefight press...and ruddock told lennox if you want to fuk yourself 2 million dont take a stroid test and ill be on the 1st jet back to florida...and lennox took a steroid test

[dempseyfire]

Ruddock had a HUGE frame (George Foreman big). No way in his mid 20s he could've stayed below 200, he grew into a solid 220+ lber. Later in his career he bulked up more but there's nothing to suggest it wasn't just via weight lifting and doing less roadwork (he was definitely carrying some pudge in the Morrison fight)

[Brutu]

watching Razor Ruddock here with his fight with Bonecrusher Smith.
His style reminds me some of Ron Lyle's,except Ruddock was a lot quicker and more mobile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFb13F5K8Pw

[zurdo]

Ruddock was profiled in an excellent 1990 Boxing Monthly and it did refer to his recurrent hand injuries - the scourge of the big puncher and something that hampered Naseem Hamed, Gerald McClellan and many other big hitters. No drug issue.[/quote]
Maybe Ruddock's skinny cruiserweight hands weren't designed to crash that hard off of Bonecrusher's heavyweight skull.

[Bricks]

i have the fight. in the second round bone hit razor with a crushing right hand that took him clean off his feet and sent him down face on the mat.

razor fought back over the next few rounds, bone increasingly looked exhausted and in the 7th he sort of lays back and gets cracked with a devastating "smash" and hes out cold on his face.

no one else ever knocked bone clean out.

Razor went sprawling but had a happy smile on his face during the count as if it was the best thing that ever happened to him

[Brutu]

For some reason Razor Ruddock was also smiling too when Mike Tyson knocked him down
in the rematch in July 1991.

http://books.google.com/books?id=K70DAA ... pg=PA47&dq