David Haye - disillusioned with the sport

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 18 Aug 2005, 08:28

Can someone tell me how David Haye is mandatory for the EBU Cruiserweight title vs Gurov as he is yet to fight for the British and Commonwealth, and has fought stiffs up to now, excluding true warrior Thompson?

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 18 Aug 2005, 08:38

So are you disillusioned with the sport or is David Haye? I agree he is undeserving as a mandatory to the title but i wouldn't mind him getting in with the top guys as would be willing to fight them. He has the ability, there is nothing worse than sticking in guys who can't fight or don't want to, at least we would know Haye would be ready and willing.

J · Post by J » 18 Aug 2005, 08:39

I THOUGHT HAYE HOPBSON WAS BACK ON AGAIN?

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 18 Aug 2005, 09:19

Maybe Haye has seen Gurov getting sparked in 10 seconds by Terry Dunstan and thinks he can do the same? Either way, he needs to stay clear of the ones that can fight.

The ranking is a strange one. I'm sat here writing on a brown envelope any ideas how, but I really can't understand it.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 18 Aug 2005, 09:19

J wrote:I THOUGHT HAYE HOPBSON WAS BACK ON AGAIN?

It is!!!!

I'm a Haye fan, but I can't understand how hes got this EU ranking (although Glen Kelly was very highly ranked). If Haye beats Hobson then I think he will have deserved the ranking.

Fair play to Haye he could have used this mandatory ranking as an excuse to skip past Hobson, but he hasn't

J · Post by J » 18 Aug 2005, 09:31

CHEERS MATE.

any news as to the venue?

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 18 Aug 2005, 09:33

Haye should target the Gurov body if they fight, Gurov is an active puncher but Mormeck slowed him down sufficiently before walking him down.

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 18 Aug 2005, 09:39

The Hobson Haye fight is now not in Huddersfield, and will probably be in Sheffield. Haye was asking for the territorial army to escort him to and from the ring and additional police and security to protect him from the public.

I am disillusioned because as a Hobson fan surely he is more deserving of a EBU chance? Opportunities to fight for titles should be on merit and not money.....

J · Post by J » 18 Aug 2005, 10:04

what are twats army gonna do, run around firing blanks?

bugger was hoping this would be in london.

surely if hobson beat haye then he will get his shot instead of haye.

so i wouldnt be too fed up.

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 18 Aug 2005, 10:19

jimmy from the green wrote:The Hobson Haye fight is now not in Huddersfield, and will probably be in Sheffield. Haye was asking for the territorial army to escort him to and from the ring and additional police and security to protect him from the public.

I am disillusioned because as a Hobson fan surely he is more deserving of a EBU chance? Opportunities to fight for titles should be on merit and not money.....

As J has just said surely if Hobson beats Haye he will get the shot a Gurov instead

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 18 Aug 2005, 10:44

Yes that will be the case, but I am discussing how it stands at present, I think Manos was right with the brown envelope senario.

It just makes me wonder about the EBU....which makes me feel disillusioned....

J · Post by J » 18 Aug 2005, 10:53

sorry but haye has just as much as right as hobson.

he has taken on and beaten folk who are higher ranked than Hobson, your just moaning aobut nothign dude, Haye hasnt taken the EU shot anyway he is fighting mark, so i realyl dont understand what your gripe is .

Arhur williams, Lolegna mock, glen kelly, losing to thomspon after giving him a beating for 3 rounds, and disposing of delaney so easily in last fight.

all better names than the likes of Tony moran, Varus Davtyan, and lee swaby, whom lets forget made a mess of Hobson when they first met

really i like hobson, but some of his followers are so one eyed its pathetic.

(not having a go i just dont see what the problem is here)

its two fighters at a similar level who are gona met, may the best man win.

but lets stop the bitching the two teams have been doing enough of that already..

haye KO 4 by the way

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 18 Aug 2005, 10:59

Disagree with your analysis, cant be bothered to explain why.....roll on fight time lets hope Haye turns up.

Jimmy from the green

J · Post by J » 18 Aug 2005, 11:03

oh ok, thanks for being bothered to tell me you cant be arsed to reply properly..

Chambers2 · Post by **Chambers2** » 18 Aug 2005, 11:29

jimmy from the green wrote:Disagree with your analysis, cant be bothered to explain why.....roll on fight time lets hope Haye turns up.

Jimmy from the green

and may the best man win

Its surely th most eagerly anticipated British title fight since.....well since I can remember

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 18 Aug 2005, 13:00

it'd be interesting to see Haye beat Hobson and then go for Gurov. that'd be taking two consecutive steps up which doesn't always happen. Haye looks to be improving, being more patient and all and using his reach more. I think the Thompson loss was good for him.

Hobson looked vulnerable vs Bruce Scott. Scott looked like he could take him out like Thompson did Haye, although it didn't happen. Be good to see how Haye reacts to a taller foe.

I don't think Haye faked the injury. He's not been scared to step up and Hobson does look very beatable. can't wait to see how far David can go as cruiser is pretty tough at the top

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 18 Aug 2005, 15:53

Haye doesn't seem to be the type to bottle a job from what i can see. Hobson looked tentative versus Bruce Scott, he wouldn't commit and seemed wary of Scott's power.

I pick Haye TKO 5

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 18 Aug 2005, 16:51

One of the reasons that Haye is mandatory is that alot of the top fighters arent allowed/have other plans than to fight Gurov. Fighters like: Mormeck, Nelson, Cantatore, Brudov, Rossitto, Maccarinelli

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 18 Aug 2005, 16:58

I reckon Haye will smash fook out of Hobson. Haye is a world class 4 round fighter and is an electric starter. Against British level fighters like Hobson, Haye will have way too much fire power.

Effectively, Hobson can only win by surviving through to the half way stage, where he can then set-about and take the fight to a potentially weary Haye.

Hobson's problem however is that he doesnt have the gile of a Johnny Nelson to avoid Hayes punches nor the chin and grit of a Carl Thompson to be able to take such shots and thus take Haye past the half way stage.

jimmy from the green · Post by **jimmy from the green** » 19 Aug 2005, 08:52

Weh hey! iv heard it all now! a world class 4 round fighter!! luv it! that will take him all the way to the top.

Hobson may not have the gile of Nelson but his chin cant be questioned - never been stopped and only put down twice in his career. He also got up twice and went on to win that fight in a british title eliminator - which must count for something.

Hayes chin on the other hand.........

Hayes "power" is only good when he's fighting stiffs and counted against him when he fought Thomson who showed his power to be average.

J · Post by J » 19 Aug 2005, 08:55

haha hilarious, power is limited cos you cant ko the cat, right ho.

see what i mean about hobson fans.

also id be careful what you say bout Hayes chin, that didnt lose him the fight v the cat his lack of cardiovascular fitness and tactics did, he took some massive bombs agianst Carl and while he went down he got up again and again. A big crew of us were there for that fight including Ian and James and we all agreed on this.

Hayes chin while not a class isnt as bad as many make out.

thomsnons chin on the other hand is just amazing, the bloke isnt human.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 19 Aug 2005, 09:01

I am struggling to follow the politics of this, if Haye wins he fights Gurov? If Hobson wins he gets the shot at Gurov? What's the problem

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 19 Aug 2005, 09:01

Funnily enough, that fight proved he took a shot for me.

Thompson KO'd Rothmann with 1 shot, Haye took some murderous punishment and was still on his feet at the end.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 19 Aug 2005, 09:03

Your right it was exhaustion and possibly not great conditioning that cost Haye, it wasn't like he was KO'd by a jab or anything, he stood up to Thompson and took his lumps.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 19 Aug 2005, 09:09

Crazy bastard even waved a surging Thompson in for more after being dropped, got to admire his bollocks for that. Wasn't it a towel thrown in in the end?