Angelo Dundee Passes Away Feb. 1,2012

[CNorkusJr]

Sad word out of Tampa tonight

One of Boxings Foremost Trainers - Angelo Dundee Passed Away Today with family at his Bedside.

Thank You Angelo for your wonderful insightful interviews- R.I.P.

A Large Legacy Of Champions can be Thankful for Your Training Methods and Techniques.

[raylawpc]

A truly great cornerman . . . the last of his breed . . . and a great ambassador for the sport. He will be missed.

[BoxBuzz]

What a life he had! If it was big and it was boxing....he was there! And what a genuinely loyal personality he seemed to have. Too few of that kind if you ask me. You gotta love the guy. He'll be missed....

[yancey]

Dundee truly cared for his fighters.

He refused to send the very game Jimmy Ellis out for the 5th round against Frazier. A good move, Jimmy was in for a beating.

I reckon that before Ellis even met Frazier, Dundee probably knew deep down it would most likely have a bad ending. However, the titles had to be united and I'm sure Dundee got his guy a good payday.

Also remember when Ali and Ellis met in Houston, Dundee chose to be in Jimmy's corner. I think, could be wrong, that Dundee was also the manager as well as trainer for Ellis, so maybe there were financial considerations but Dundee surely knew the future was brighter with Ali. Again, I feel pretty sure he knew he would be on the losing side with Ellis, but he stuck by Jimmy's side.

[Ambling Alp]

One of the good guys. Fortunately, he had a good long life.

[CNorkusJr]

Both Angelo & Chris ended up in Miami by way of New York. Maybe it was the Best thing for them, Chris easily handled what the IBC and the politics of that side of the Boxing cards. (Norris,Carbo,Palermo & Weill) . Chris realized that making money for them down in Miami was alot better for them than competing in New York. Madison Square Garden Productions put on alot of shows down in The Miami Beach auditorium, Orange Bowl and later on the Convention Center with Chris running the business side of those productions, while Angelo was left to what he does best- running the boxers in the gym and finding a place in the corner of those fights.

Angelo knew all the facets of the game and how things worked, but he did what he did Best by getting choice fighters. Any and all fighters would have loved to been Angelo's protege,and he worked with most newcomers, but he only chose the best that came his way and brought then titles if they worked for him. He did care for his guys,not like many other of that era. Whitey Bimstein was the same way.

[Bricks]

God rest Dundees soul at peace, I respect any man that lives to be 90 and endures the trials of life. He was a big name trainer and a man who knew boxing inside out and a true family man. A sage of boxing.

But I do think before Ali fought Holmes he should have been clearly able to see Muhammed Ali wasnt right he wasnt talking right he wasnt moving right he was clearly ill even at that stage...now I dont know if he knew this and said it to Ali...but I do know he let his man go in the ring and take a bad beating...sure Holmes was a guy Ali played with in sparring only 4-5 years earlier but he should have stopped it a hell of a lot earlier or did what he did in the Cooper fight and concoted some way of getting his man out....and even if someone dont accept that....the Berbick thing was a disgrace....I tend to agree with Pacheco in regards to Dundee's complicity in those last days....

[Ambling Alp]

It is true that he could have stopped it sooner after it was obvious that Ali had nothing. However, at least he did stop it when he did.

[Ambling Alp]

Both Angelo & Chris ended up in Miami by way of New York. Maybe it was the Best thing for them, Chris easily handled what the IBC and the politics of that side of the Boxing cards. (Norris,Carbo,Palermo & Weill) . Chris realized that making money for them down in Miami was alot better for them than competing in New York. Madison Square Garden Productions put on alot of shows down in The Miami Beach auditorium, Orange Bowl and later on the Convention Center with Chris running the business side of those productions, while Angelo was left to what he does best- running the boxers in the gym and finding a place in the corner of those fights.

Angelo knew all the facets of the game and how things worked, but he did what he did Best by getting choice fighters. Any and all fighters would have loved to been Angelo's protege,and he worked with most newcomers, but he only chose the best that came his way and brought then titles if they worked for him. He did care for his guys,not like many other of that era. Whitey Bimstein was the same way.

Well he did have a lot of talented fighters. However, that naturally happens after you have proven yourself; many of the best fighters wanted him.

He did show that he could help the careers of fighters that were not especially talented. John Holman was no phenom but Dundee helped make him a contender. Carmen Basilio, Ralph Dupas and Willie Pastrano were not exactly oozing with talent and all won world titles. Jimmy Ellis was struggling as a middleweight. After he went with Dundee, he went on to win the WBA heavyweight title.

[elmersalsa]

Rest in peace Angelo.

[hhaehre]

God rest Dundees soul at peace, I respect any man that lives to be 90 and endures the trials of life. He was a big name trainer and a man who knew boxing inside out and a true family man. A sage of boxing.

But I do think before Ali fought Holmes he should have been clearly able to see Muhammed Ali wasnt right he wasnt talking right he wasnt moving right he was clearly ill even at that stage...now I dont know if he knew this and said it to Ali...but I do know he let his man go in the ring and take a bad beating...sure Holmes was a guy Ali played with in sparring only 4-5 years earlier but he should have stopped it a hell of a lot earlier or did what he did in the Cooper fight and concoted some way of getting his man out....and even if someone dont accept that....the Berbick thing was a disgrace....I tend to agree with Pacheco in regards to Dundee's complicity in those last days....

Sure he could have and should have stopped the Holmes fight earlier but as for being in Ali's corner those last couple of fights I really don't blame him. He knew Ali would take those fights anyway and I'm sure he felt he could do more to help Ali by being by his side even if he knew it was all over.

[ThatOne]

What a sad scene the Holmes fight was. It was Herbert Muhammad, who I believe was sitting in the fourth row, who sent word to stop the fight. Budini Brown wanted it to go on. Angelo Dundee didn't. They were fighting over who gets to make the call. Herbet Muhammad's decision sealed it.

[CNorkusJr]

What a sad scene the Holmes fight was. It was Herbert Muhammad, who I believe was sitting in the fourth , who sent word to stop the fight. Budini Brown wanted it to go on. Angelo Dundee didn't. They were fighting over who gets to make the call. Herbet Muhammad's decision sealed it.

I never heard this one.(Not that I know all anyway). But I would think his cornermen or Ali himself would say enough is enough- not Herbet Muhammed. I only heard that the Nation of Islam heirarchy only had a say of who he might fight and when,and even at that Ali had alot to say about his opponents after he won the Championship the second time.

[Crease]

R.I.P

One of the greatest of all time.

[ThatOne]

Ali tried one more round, but it was no different than any of the ones that preceded it. Holmes, oblivious to all of Ali's attempts at psychological warfare, hardly missed a punch. At the end of the 10th, Ali's manager, Herbert Muhammad, sent Pat Patterson, the Chicago policeman who is one of the fighter's security guards, to the corner with instructions to stop the fight, "because he's getting defenseless," said the manager.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/10/25/s ... stops.html


IMHO, a totally unncessary fight, right up there with Louis Marciano.

[raylawpc]

God rest Dundees soul at peace, I respect any man that lives to be 90 and endures the trials of life. He was a big name trainer and a man who knew boxing inside out and a true family man. A sage of boxing.

But I do think before Ali fought Holmes he should have been clearly able to see Muhammed Ali wasnt right he wasnt talking right he wasnt moving right he was clearly ill even at that stage...now I dont know if he knew this and said it to Ali...but I do know he let his man go in the ring and take a bad beating...sure Holmes was a guy Ali played with in sparring only 4-5 years earlier but he should have stopped it a hell of a lot earlier or did what he did in the Cooper fight and concoted some way of getting his man out....and even if someone dont accept that....the Berbick thing was a disgrace....I tend to agree with Pacheco in regards to Dundee's complicity in those last days....

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