Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.
The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.
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Peter Buckley
Is he even trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?
Should he be banned?
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Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.
The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.
And it's no different to handing your opponent a frame in a snooker match so you win 5-1 instead of 5-0
Indeed, this was exactly the issue John Higgins was brought to book over and I didn't see many people defending him.
Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.
The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.
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Peter Buckley
Is he trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?
Should he be banned?
If it can be proved that he delibarately underperformed and he admits this then yes absolutely.
SteveDow wrote:
The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.
And it's no different to handing your opponent a frame in a snooker match so you win 5-1 instead of 5-0
Indeed, this was exactly the issue John Higgins was brought to book over and I didn't see many people defending him.
Andypittcov wrote:
And it's no different to handing your opponent a frame in a snooker match so you win 5-1 instead of 5-0
Indeed, this was exactly the issue John Higgins was brought to book over and I didn't see many people defending him.
Well not on boxing forums you wouldnt.
There is life outside this forum. He was universally condemned by the snooker world for being in the wrong and handed a severe punishment. I'm not calling for a lifetime ban but this should not be left unpunished.
Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.
The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.
OK
Peter Buckley
Is he even trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?
Should he be banned?
If he is silly enough to state he aint trying or tells his family but your house on me losing be a UD - cause I certainly aint going to win - then yes.
You won't hear a journeyman openly admit to not trying.
SteveDow wrote:
The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.
OK
Peter Buckley
Is he even trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?
Should he be banned?
If he is silly enough to state he aint trying or tells his family but your house on me losing be a UD - cause I certainly aint going to win - then yes.
You won't hear a journeyman openly admit to not trying.
So the only evidence acceptable is when someone admits something?
Is he even trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?
Should he be banned?
If he is silly enough to state he aint trying or tells his family but your house on me losing be a UD - cause I certainly aint going to win - then yes.
You won't hear a journeyman openly admit to not trying.
So the only evidence acceptable is when someone admits something?
No, an investigation needs to be carried out and the fight/event thoroughly analysed to see if there was wrongdoing. Clearly if the fighter/player admits to not trying then essentially they are banged to rights and appropriate action needs to be taken.
Froch has now retracted the statement claiming it should not be taken seriously. What a idiotic thing to say. He's dug a grave for himself and with the fallout from the Chisora/Haye debaucle, British Boxing is the real loser here. What the hell is wrong with our so-called pros, they are screwing everything up.
The BBBC wil be working overtime to see them all punished.
Final round wrote:I don't see the big uproar myself as no fighter is 100% certain he can carry out his 'cunning' plan to KO his opponent in the exact round he's bet on. Plenty of fighters have carried their opponents to points when they could have finished them imo.
The obvious way to prevent it is too stop taking betting on rounds but in no way is this the same as chucking a fight for me.
The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.
And it's no different to handing your opponent a frame in a snooker match so you win 5-1 instead of 5-0
Fair point , as I say the only way to prevent it is too stop round betting as you would never be able to prove a fighter wasn't having a breather for a round, punched himself out or what.
baulks wrote:Froch has now retracted the statement claiming it should not be taken seriously. What a idiotic thing to say. He's dug a grave for himself and with the fallout from the Chisora/Haye debaucle, British Boxing is the real loser here. What the hell is wrong with our so-called pros, they are screwing everything up.
The BBBC wil be working overtime to see them all punished.
Whilst ignoring things like fixed fights and performance enhancing drugs.
baulks wrote:Froch has now retracted the statement claiming it should not be taken seriously. What a idiotic thing to say. He's dug a grave for himself and with the fallout from the Chisora/Haye debaucle, British Boxing is the real loser here. What the hell is wrong with our so-called pros, they are screwing everything up.
The BBBC wil be working overtime to see them all punished.
Whilst ignoring things like fixed fights and performance enhancing drugs.
Good point; it'll allow a bit of a witch hunt and let things carry on as before.
I really feel sorry for those gamblers, they are the real victims.....
I thought that would be the response, bit like saying if you buy a beer laced with poison it's ur own fault for being a drinker
If i knew the pub had a long, long, history of spiking peoples drinks and i kept drinking there, then i agree, it would be my fault.
Are you implying that a boxing bout isn't always played on the level and that there are ways and means that interested parties can make a few quid by 'using their wits'?
SteveDow wrote:
The issue is more about him delibarately not trying to finish the fight in the 4th round as this shows that he was intentionally underperforming. It is not much different in my book to the Pakistan players bowling delibarate wides.
OK
Peter Buckley
Is he even trying to win fights, does he deliberatly under perform, knowing if he wins, its not good for his career?
Should he be banned?
If he is silly enough to state he aint trying or tells his family but your house on me losing be a UD - cause I certainly aint going to win - then yes.
You won't hear a journeyman openly admit to not trying.
You'd have to own a county to make any money on that bet! I think most journeymen are fairly open about their role and the fact that if they start winning, they get less fights.
Very suprised in Froch, he's always come accross as quite an intelligent guy. What he has done is morally wrong in every way, and more shocking than the fact he did this was actually admitting it. Its one thing saying it without thinking, but to actually publicise it, is sheer madness. We all know that corruption and fixing happens in Sport, Horse and Dog racing and cricket to name a few, but when we're giving 100% facts of it happening then actioned needs to be taken.
SteveDow wrote:
Completely agree. I don't see how anyone can see it in any other way.
Utter, utter excrement.
By that logic, Muhammad Ali vs. Ernie Terrell was a fix.
Morons.
The only moron on the forum is you if you cannot see why what Froch said he did could not be construed as breaching boxing and gambling regulations. The guy said he delibarately did not finish a fight in the 4th round so that his family could win money by him instead finishing it in the fifth round. He may have subsequently retracted the statement but he did say it.
Andypittcov wrote:I suspect the guys saying there's no big issue here have never lost money betting
Yeah, probably.
I really feel sorry for those gamblers, they are the real victims.....
No. Gamblers should always be aware that they are betting on human beings who are capable of deception and corruption. It's a risk they take. And I make a lot of money gambling
