David Haye Statement

[smoggy7188]

If there hadnt been any blood on Booth or threats from Chisora then this would never ever have got the coverage it has done.

[Finn]

Yep Warren was smugly smirking rubbing his hands together at a potential match up brewing with Bernie and the Big K boys thinking Haye was going to get roughed up and made a mug 'Run David Run' shouted the robot, their security let Mad Dog Chisora and the boys through and Haye f ucking blows up in their face!

i love that "run david run" cry from boente just before haye gives chisora and his boys one way tickets to painsville.

I know they soon stfu I thought it was Vitali though.

It might have been

[NazNaci1]

Warren sitting there smirking, making his 'proposal' and obviously enjoying the fact he felt in control and had the upper hand is another reason why I intensely dislike this guy. Bitter, bitter man.

Yep Warren was smugly smirking rubbing his hands together at a potential match up brewing with Bernie and the Big K boys thinking Haye was going to get roughed up and made a mug 'Run David Run' shouted the robot, their security let Mad Dog Chisora and the boys through and Haye f ucking blows up in their face!

Bingo! Not saying Haye is totally blameless, he could have avoided the post fight conference. He didn't. Regardless Warren, Chisora, his entourage, Bonte and Co thought it would be funny and embarrassing to belittle Haye. they got more than they bargained for. And they deserved it.

Playing Devil's Advocate, a little, Chisora's trainer did, on at least 3 occassions ask security to 'remove' Haye, which may or may not have been a reasonable request and would have definitely avoided this unsavoury incident. Warren and Bonte did not back him up. No, they saw fit to ridicule him and insult him. Pair of them retards and as for Warren's immediate post fight comments, in the ring re Chisora's antics in the build up and the water spitting etc and how 'it's not acceptable....' what a crock of ****.

[john welsh]

Haye to me and everyone iv spoken to think it was his fault..and anyone who agrees about glassing a man and being violent needs to hang their heads in shame

[davidas]

But the facts remain that Haye threw the first punches which started the fracas off.

Chisora is a loon for sure .. but he walked up to Haye, to no doubt, insult and wind Haye up. Hence why he took the microphone with him.

Haye then fired off a couple punches ... Haye is 100% guilty.
If Chisora had slapped Haye or spat water onto him ... some of the blame could have been shared.

No. Haye is the guilty party here.
As for threats to shoot or burn him. Come on ..

Haye was being his usual parasite self. Trying to get himself a big pay day on the back of Chisoras gallant showing.

GET REAL - seriously!!!!!!

[desperados]

Haye to me and everyone iv spoken to think it was his fault..and anyone who agrees about glassing a man and being violent needs to hang their heads in shame

why are people still claiming he glassed him?

If a former HW champ smashed him in the face with a bottle doctors would still be picking glass out his face.

He clearly punches him in the face whislt the bottle neck is in his fist, which was a stupid thing for haye to do, he easily could have ended up with glass crushed into the palm of his hand and under his fingers. As he trhows the punch, he drops the bottle and you hear it rolling along the floor, unbroken.

Even with the camera stand i can understand - he landed about 4 shots on Don Charles, who waited to throw a punch at Haye when he was tied up and Grappling with Del. Yet he and some of his entourage where still pushing forward after Haye, even after him and Del were broke and Del restrained. Haye was himself. You can hear how agitated Haye is when he shouts "fornicate off" to them. Charles comes running forward again and Haye hits him with another 1-2 which knocked his cap off, then they grappled. Even after that they are still coming for him, so eventually he chucked the camera stand then dissappeared out the door.

[sharpei_louis]

I deal with cases of assault every day. Haye would never get to a British court as no lawyer I have ever delt with would see his actions as anything other than self defence. It wouldn't get out of a police station. Haye is well well within his rights.

It has been argued that a head to head is commonplace in boxing which is why he's in the wrong for striking Chisora, but it would clearly be the opposite.
Haye is used to confrontational situations and would be able to pick up on subtleties in Chisora. He obviously took the head to head at first which is why he still held the bottle in his hand, but given that Chisora had marched down from the stage making threats of assault to an audience member, holding an item in his own hand (granted a mic, but conflict makes you sense something like that as dangerous) and as that has come up towards Haye's face, Haye struck him once instinctively as he didn't use the bottle as a weapon but neither did he have chance to drop it, then they grappled. That is clearly and fully justifiable as self defence as Chisora's actions give every indicator possible to Haye that he is about to be subject to immediate unlawful violence. Haye then moves backwards and rather than look after their own man Chisora's entourage pursues Haye and another of them tries to hit him. Haye hits him, still backing up. When he is cornered and more pursue him he does throw an item and leaves. All fully justifiable and reasonable force in the circumstances.
You simply cannot underestimate the point that at no stage did Haye approach Chisora, and that of the whole group he was the only person to take a backwards step. If all parties had done no more than stand still, which all are entitled to do, nothing would have occurred. The aggressor is clearly Chisora and Haye's force in defence against him is nowhere near unreasonable. Chisora would be likely convicted of an offence under the Publi Order act were it in the UK, if not a common assault, and Charles may be looking at an offence too.

[yiddo14]

Haye to me and everyone iv spoken to think it was his fault..and anyone who agrees about glassing a man and being violent needs to hang their heads in shame

why are people still claiming he glassed him?

If a former HW champ smashed him in the face with a bottle doctors would still be picking glass out his face.

He clearly punches him in the face whislt the bottle neck is in his fist, which was a stupid thing for haye to do, he easily could have ended up with glass crushed into the palm of his hand and under his fingers. As he trhows the punch, he drops the bottle and you hear it rolling along the floor, unbroken.

Even with the camera stand i can understand - he landed about 4 shots on Don Charles, who waited to throw a punch at Haye when he was tied up and Grappling with Del. Yet he and some of his entourage where still pushing forward after Haye, even after him and Del were broke and Del restrained. Haye was himself. You can hear how agitated Haye is when he shouts "eff off" to them. Charles comes running forward again and Haye hits him with another 1-2 which knocked his cap off, then they grappled. Even after that they are still coming for him, so eventually he chucked the camera stand then dissappeared out the door.

You have to take into account this John Welsh chap is one of the guys on here who hates Haye with a passion it seems. Claims of a former heavyweight champ and undisputed cruiser champ being no more than a bum who can't fight pretty much sums up the bias that exists in his views.

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So Lord Lucan has finally surfaced, albeit via Twitter or Facethingy.

Has he actually been seen in public, or is he still hiding from the German police & Dereck Chisora?

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This is the only place where I've seen any comments defending Haye. Sure, he may have been on edge but if we all went around taking pre-emptive action whenever we felt threatened the world would be crazy -- it is crazy to be fair, but still. I genuinely think that Chisora was going to do a bit of the face-to-face slanging that Haye has engaged in incessantly since his move to heavyweight.

I was a huge fan of Haye the cruiser, his HW career has chipped away the memory of his earlier run and he needs to duck out of the spotlight so people can start to remember him for what he used to be, a top level CW who became top dog in his division.

He looked very much like a man who realised that he is not going to get another crack at a Klitscho unless he leaves a lot on the table, and so he should as he has nothing to offer them apart from infamy, and doesn't like being in the position of not having any leverage whatsoever.

This time last year he was in the middle of the stage calling the shots, now he is reduced to shouting the odds from the back of someone else's presser. It is very sad.

I watched the fight with people in work in thr trade or who are lifelong fans of the sport, we all laughed out loud when Haye talked about his own chances Vs Vitali and a few people shouted, "You don't deserve another big fight". It is a real shame.

I daresay Wlad felt threatened when Haye confronted him those stairs a few years back, if he had pushed Haye down them people would have said Wlad had lost the plot.

I agree with much of this.

I was a big fan of Haye's but his performance & subsequent excuses after the Wladimir fight have put me off him.

I expect Chisora to behave like a scroat because he is not very intelligent, but Haye really ought to know better, as he is much more intelligent & articulate.

I'm all for hyping up fights, but Haye is just embarrassing right now, compounded by the fact that he is now doing a Lord Lucan (although he's 'brave' enough to release statements).

It's a real shame because Haye was & still could be such an exciting fighter, a charismatic & engaging character.

[reggaereggae]

I thought David was to blame firstly as he threw the first shot, but after watching the footage, as well as the stills of Dereck with his fist/mike in David's throat and head in his face as well as three big men walking aggressively straight towards him I agree with the chap saying it would be classed as self-defence.

And why is Don Charles not only not controlling his man (EG by keeping them apart) but encouraging him and then joining in the assault? I have never heard of Don Charles before, I know nothing about him.

What I found odd about the whole thing is that you have a big punching former heavyweight champion landing several punches and noone is really hurt....

[reggaereggae]

KG, I don't think anyone is defending Haye's actions, they are saying they understand why he would feel threatened enough to react. Like Lewis did when he threw the first punch against Tyson when he marched straight forward at him. At the end of the day Chisora shouldn't have been allowed to get off that stage and confront him, you can only blame the security for that.

I imagine he did feel threatened and don't blame him for that, I blame him for standing at the back of the room and reacting when Boente, who is a bit of a tool at times, threw out the bait. Would Chisora have walked across the room had Haye kept it low key? Maybe, maybe not, but Haye set the tone.

My main hope is that they Klitschkos turn their backs on British heavyweights. I went to Prague over ten years ago when it was still finding its feet. I went back five years later when the stags etc. were heading over there. By my third trip it was barely recognisable as it was full of swaggering, boozed up Brits. Sure, they put money in but they also take a lot away from the place, I hope Germany doesn't keep its doors open to our fighters for financial gain as we've shown them that we cannot always behave ourselves.

On the other hand Macklin and Murray conducted themselves well when losing over there, it maybe a southern thing

More like a South London thing.....

[yiddo14]

KG, I don't think anyone is defending Haye's actions, they are saying they understand why he would feel threatened enough to react. Like Lewis did when he threw the first punch against Tyson when he marched straight forward at him. At the end of the day Chisora shouldn't have been allowed to get off that stage and confront him, you can only blame the security for that.

I imagine he did feel threatened and don't blame him for that, I blame him for standing at the back of the room and reacting when Boente, who is a bit of a tool at times, threw out the bait. Would Chisora have walked across the room had Haye kept it low key? Maybe, maybe not, but Haye set the tone.

My main hope is that they Klitschkos turn their backs on British heavyweights. I went to Prague over ten years ago when it was still finding its feet. I went back five years later when the stags etc. were heading over there. By my third trip it was barely recognisable as it was full of swaggering, boozed up Brits. Sure, they put money in but they also take a lot away from the place, I hope Germany doesn't keep its doors open to our fighters for financial gain as we've shown them that we cannot always behave ourselves.

On the other hand Macklin and Murray conducted themselves well when losing over there, it maybe a southern thing

More like a South London thing.....

Yep. Imported gangsta chic is where it stems from. Street culture. It's a London ting, not a British one.

[doctorboxing]

Charles comes running forward again and Haye hits him with another 1-2 which knocked his cap off

The devastating force of the hayemaker.....

[nobby_nobbins]

I deal with cases of assault every day. Haye would never get to a British court as no lawyer I have ever delt with would see his actions as anything other than self defence. It wouldn't get out of a police station. Haye is well well within his rights.

It has been argued that a head to head is commonplace in boxing which is why he's in the wrong for striking Chisora, but it would clearly be the opposite.
Haye is used to confrontational situations and would be able to pick up on subtleties in Chisora. He obviously took the head to head at first which is why he still held the bottle in his hand, but given that Chisora had marched down from the stage making threats of assault to an audience member, holding an item in his own hand (granted a mic, but conflict makes you sense something like that as dangerous) and as that has come up towards Haye's face, Haye struck him once instinctively as he didn't use the bottle as a weapon but neither did he have chance to drop it, then they grappled. That is clearly and fully justifiable as self defence as Chisora's actions give every indicator possible to Haye that he is about to be subject to immediate unlawful violence.

This doesn't sound quite right to me. If it were, the boxer who throws the first punch during a confrontation outside of the ring would always be found innocent. All his defence team would have to do was to say their man had "picked up on subtleties" from the other guy and so knew a punch was coming. The fact remains that Haye initiated the violence. It's true that Chisora has a history of odd, nasty behaviour towards boxers outside of the ring but he's never actually hit any of them, so the idea that Haye knew what was coming based on Chisora's previous antics isn't quite right either.

Another interpretation is that Haye lost his judgement and composure because he'd been publicly humiliated. In a few short months he has gone from commanding centre stage to being a pathetic irrelevance on the sidelines. His rather desperate efforts to drum up interest for a fight between himself and Vitali were greeted with derision. A man who prides himself on his fighting spirit was repeatedly taunted over his "toe". He knew he could not diminish Chisora's losing effort because he'd just seen him give everything, refusing to back down to the last. Hitting Chisora gave Haye the chance - in front of the whole world - to show that he was a real man and a warrior and that all his critics were wrong.

I'm not saying the above is right - it's just another interpretation. I actually like both boxers and have always supported them. I also thought Haye did pretty well against Wlad given his obvious disadvantages. I hope both of them can put this behind them and continue their boxing careers.

[tonyevs]

I often find it unfair when people say, this person or that person threw the first punch so its their fault . And the end of the day if you dont want trouble dont go looking for it, .

In which case. Haye went looking for it.

The slap and water spitting were cheap stunts ... if Chisora wanted to get nasty it would have been a punch or actual spit.
The slap was (very distasteful) hype for the fight.

And how Chisora fronted Haye with the microphone showed he was once again playing the hype to secure another good pay day against Haye. Maybe he would have done something stupid?? who can honestly say?

But to say Haye was justified in throwing the first punches simply because Chisora had acted an idiot previously ...
Then the same could be said for Hayes next opponent to put a right-hander on Haye at their next press conference because he has previous for punching Chisora

[josco]

I deal with cases of assault every day. Haye would never get to a British court as no lawyer I have ever delt with would see his actions as anything other than self defence. It wouldn't get out of a police station. Haye is well well within his rights.

It has been argued that a head to head is commonplace in boxing which is why he's in the wrong for striking Chisora, but it would clearly be the opposite.
Haye is used to confrontational situations and would be able to pick up on subtleties in Chisora. He obviously took the head to head at first which is why he still held the bottle in his hand, but given that Chisora had marched down from the stage making threats of assault to an audience member, holding an item in his own hand (granted a mic, but conflict makes you sense something like that as dangerous) and as that has come up towards Haye's face, Haye struck him once instinctively as he didn't use the bottle as a weapon but neither did he have chance to drop it, then they grappled. That is clearly and fully justifiable as self defence as Chisora's actions give every indicator possible to Haye that he is about to be subject to immediate unlawful violence. Haye then moves backwards and rather than look after their own man Chisora's entourage pursues Haye and another of them tries to hit him. Haye hits him, still backing up. When he is cornered and more pursue him he does throw an item and leaves. All fully justifiable and reasonable force in the circumstances.
You simply cannot underestimate the point that at no stage did Haye approach Chisora, and that of the whole group he was the only person to take a backwards step. If all parties had done no more than stand still, which all are entitled to do, nothing would have occurred. The aggressor is clearly Chisora and Haye's force in defence against him is nowhere near unreasonable. Chisora would be likely convicted of an offence under the Publi Order act were it in the UK, if not a common assault, and Charles may be looking at an offence too.

[Ezzard]

I imagine he did feel threatened and don't blame him for that, I blame him for standing at the back of the room and reacting when Boente, who is a bit of a tool at times, threw out the bait. Would Chisora have walked across the room had Haye kept it low key? Maybe, maybe not, but Haye set the tone.

My main hope is that they Klitschkos turn their backs on British heavyweights. I went to Prague over ten years ago when it was still finding its feet. I went back five years later when the stags etc. were heading over there. By my third trip it was barely recognisable as it was full of swaggering, boozed up Brits. Sure, they put money in but they also take a lot away from the place, I hope Germany doesn't keep its doors open to our fighters for financial gain as we've shown them that we cannot always behave ourselves.

On the other hand Macklin and Murray conducted themselves well when losing over there, it maybe a southern thing

More like a South London thing.....

Yep. Imported gangsta chic is where it stems from. Street culture. It's a London ting, not a British one.

Imported from American prisons.

[mrbassie]

I imagine he did feel threatened and don't blame him for that, I blame him for standing at the back of the room and reacting when Boente, who is a bit of a tool at times, threw out the bait. Would Chisora have walked across the room had Haye kept it low key? Maybe, maybe not, but Haye set the tone.

My main hope is that they Klitschkos turn their backs on British heavyweights. I went to Prague over ten years ago when it was still finding its feet. I went back five years later when the stags etc. were heading over there. By my third trip it was barely recognisable as it was full of swaggering, boozed up Brits. Sure, they put money in but they also take a lot away from the place, I hope Germany doesn't keep its doors open to our fighters for financial gain as we've shown them that we cannot always behave ourselves.

On the other hand Macklin and Murray conducted themselves well when losing over there, it maybe a southern thing

More like a South London thing.....

Yep. Imported gangsta chic is where it stems from. Street culture. It's a London ting, not a British one.

You've obviously not been to Birmingham.

[fasteddie]

to me it looked like chisora was all over the place after the right hand from haye,that bottle probably did shatter in his hand with the force he hit chisora with,if i was haye i would of probably acted the same way if a loose cannon was walking towards me taking his jacket off with his crew behind him. tell me what was chisora gonna do when he got to haye after taking his jacket off? ask david did he want a cuppa tea? doubt it from his track record it would of been a matter of time before he either slapped haye or punched him or even bit him so haye,after a couple of days of viewing it,had every right to defend himself. chisora is a street thug and should be threw out of boxing for life,haye should be refused a license if he applies too for at least 3 years. just my opinion,kids look upto haye as he was a double weight world champion.

[Finn]

I often find it unfair when people say, this person or that person threw the first punch so its their fault . And the end of the day if you dont want trouble dont go looking for it, .

In which case. Haye went looking for it.

The slap and water spitting were cheap stunts ... if Chisora wanted to get nasty it would have been a punch or actual spit.
The slap was (very distasteful) hype for the fight.

And how Chisora fronted Haye with the microphone showed he was once again playing the hype to secure another good pay day against Haye. Maybe he would have done something stupid?? who can honestly say?

But to say Haye was justified in throwing the first punches simply because Chisora had acted an idiot previously ...
Then the same could be said for Hayes next opponent to put a right-hander on Haye at their next press conference because he has previous for punching Chisora

Dont be soft, haye's allowed to go to a presser to try and get vitali to agree to a fight especially when they decided to turn the topic of the conversation onto that of David Haye. Chisora went over to him, he created the confrontation - thats looking for trouble. As ive said before just becaase you would be too scared to go in a room with a man who said he would slap you doesnt mean other people would be. He wasnt even speaking to chisora and it was boente who mentioned hayes name and haye bantered back.

If a man threatened you in a pub would you leave? if he then came over and shoved his head in your face and you hit him; would you then have be looking for trouble?

[bugs]

to me it looked like chisora was all over the place after the right hand from haye,that bottle probably did shatter in his hand with the force he hit chisora with,if i was haye i would of probably acted the same way if a loose cannon was walking towards me taking his jacket off with his crew behind him. tell me what was chisora gonna do when he got to haye after taking his jacket off? ask david did he want a cuppa tea? doubt it from his track record it would of been a matter of time before he either slapped haye or punched him or even bit him so haye,after a couple of days of viewing it,had every right to defend himself. chisora is a street thug and should be threw out of boxing for life,haye should be refused a license if he applies too for at least 3 years. just my opinion,kids look upto haye as he was a double weight world champion.

I dont understand, you seem to say Haye was justified and then finish by saying he should not be given a license for 3 years? Which is it?

[fasteddie]

to me it looked like chisora was all over the place after the right hand from haye,that bottle probably did shatter in his hand with the force he hit chisora with,if i was haye i would of probably acted the same way if a loose cannon was walking towards me taking his jacket off with his crew behind him. tell me what was chisora gonna do when he got to haye after taking his jacket off? ask david did he want a cuppa tea? doubt it from his track record it would of been a matter of time before he either slapped haye or punched him or even bit him so haye,after a couple of days of viewing it,had every right to defend himself. chisora is a street thug and should be threw out of boxing for life,haye should be refused a license if he applies too for at least 3 years. just my opinion,kids look upto haye as he was a double weight world champion.

I dont understand, you seem to say Haye was justified and then finish by saying he should not be given a license for 3 years? Which is it?

I'm saying if I was in his shoes id do the same but as he is/was a pro boxer with a high profile and fans and kids around the world look up to him he should be punished for what he did so if he applies for his license he should be refused and told how long he cant apply for. just because I said I justify why he done it doesn't mean he shouldn't go unpunished,him and chisora have made Britain look bad in the world of boxing especially chisora cause of his antics at the weigh in and in the ring before the fight started then again in the ring after the fight,why not shake vitali's hand and say good fight? he is a street thug and should be banned for a long time

[Final round]

to me it looked like chisora was all over the place after the right hand from haye,that bottle probably did shatter in his hand with the force he hit chisora with,if i was haye i would of probably acted the same way if a loose cannon was walking towards me taking his jacket off with his crew behind him. tell me what was chisora gonna do when he got to haye after taking his jacket off? ask david did he want a cuppa tea? doubt it from his track record it would of been a matter of time before he either slapped haye or punched him or even bit him so haye,after a couple of days of viewing it,had every right to defend himself. chisora is a street thug and should be threw out of boxing for life,haye should be refused a license if he applies too for at least 3 years. just my opinion,kids look upto haye as he was a double weight world champion.

I dont understand, you seem to say Haye was justified and then finish by saying he should not be given a license for 3 years? Which is it?

I'm saying if I was in his shoes id do the same but as he is/was a pro boxer with a high profile and fans and kids around the world look up to him he should be punished for what he did so if he applies for his license he should be refused and told how long he cant apply for. just because I said I justify why he done it doesn't mean he shouldn't go unpunished,him and chisora have made Britain look bad in the world of boxing especially chisora cause of his antics at the weigh in and in the ring before the fight started then again in the ring after the fight,why not shake vitali's hand and say good fight? he is a street thug and should be banned for a long time

When Chisora held on to Vitali's hand and got in his face and tried to stir it up with Wladmir was the worst bit of it all for me. After the slapping and spitting he'd just been well beaten and couldn't show any respect or contrition towards his actions. I could have put the shit down to crazy old Chisora but that just made him look a idiot

[Andypittcov]

Kingfinn I would say yes if you stick around after being threatened your looking for trouble. Why do you think we have this 'fight or flight' built into us, it's so we can effin do one if we sense danger, therefore if you anticipate voilence but stand your ground( or stay in the pub) your clearly choosing the fight option. I ain't being soft just telling it how it is.