Que piensan de Soto?

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 21 Aug 2005, 16:43

Se miro muy bien contra Juarez.. una vez si estuvo herido. Parece que le falta el insincto asesino. Pero aun asi se miro bien. Que opinan de el contra Chi or contra Harrison? El tambien destrozo a Perez quien acaba de sufrir una derrota contra Lazcano. Y solamente lo an parado una vez. Yo siento que es bueno pero no se si tiene lo que se necesita para ser campeon, quizas si lo tiene pero yo nunca he visto a Harrison.

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 21 Aug 2005, 17:46

No vi la pelea, pero esta derrota de Juarez estaba cantada hace rato. Muchas veces estuvo ya coqueteando con la derrota y tenia que suceder... no todas las peleas se pueden definir con un solo golpe, ni siempre vas a tener jueces complacientes que te favorezcan.

RagingRyan · Post by **RagingRyan** » 21 Aug 2005, 22:47

Pense Juarez fue un B- grado boxeador. No sorpendi que Soto gana la pelea.

Tambien HBO parecio a sobrevalorar Juarez.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 22 Aug 2005, 05:24

RagingRyan wrote:Pense Juarez fue un B- grado boxeador. No sorpendi que Soto gana la pelea.

Tambien HBO parecio a sobrevalorar Juarez.

Pienso igual. Pero mi pregunta es mas bien si Soto puede ser campeon mundial o no.. pero parece ser que si Chi se retira es muy posible.

RagingRyan · Post by **RagingRyan** » 22 Aug 2005, 12:59

Creo que Soto puede ser el campeon mundial. Le escogiera en una pelea con Harrison o Chi ahora. Pero no pienso que puede derrotar Juan Manuel Marquez.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 22 Aug 2005, 14:46

RagingRyan wrote:Creo que Soto puede ser el campeon mundial. Le escogiera en una pelea con Harrison o Chi ahora. Pero no pienso que puede derrotar Juan Manuel Marquez.

Yo nunca he visto a Harrison pero parece que Soto le parece ser que Soto le gana. Si podrias dar un poco de infomacion sobre el estilo de Harrison para saber como pelea mas o menos.. Y yo pienso que si Soto pelea como peleo contra Juarez.. si le gana a Chi. Pues en decir, pienso igual a lo que tu opinas. Juan Manuel Marquez tendria la experiencia para dar le una derrota a Soto.. por eso no le conviene pelear a Marquez.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 22 Aug 2005, 16:45

vagabundo55 wrote:
RagingRyan wrote:Creo que Soto puede ser el campeon mundial. Le escogiera en una pelea con Harrison o Chi ahora. Pero no pienso que puede derrotar Juan Manuel Marquez.
Yo nunca he visto a Harrison pero parece que Soto le parece ser que Soto le gana. Si podrias dar un poco de infomacion sobre el estilo de Harrison para saber como pelea mas o menos.. Y yo pienso que si Soto pelea como peleo contra Juarez.. si le gana a Chi. Pues en decir, pienso igual a lo que tu opinas. Juan Manuel Marquez tendria la experiencia para dar le una derrota a Soto.. por eso no le conviene pelear a Marquez.

Harrison's style has changed in recent times, and not for the better. I have seen all his most important fights either on television or live. He is an over-achiever, in my opinion, though a lot of people also underrate him. He turns up to fight, every fight: if you plan on meeting him head on, you need to be prepared mentally for a war.

He used to box his way in and let go the power shots in spurts whenever the chance arised. Then, when he got outboxed by Medina, it seemed to take that patient side away from him, and nowadays he tends to simply walk straight forward with no regard for defence or his opponents punches, trying to bomb them out, which fortunately he has mostly been able to do.

He claimed he had caught a virus while training in Tenerife (Spain) for the first Medina fight, and that he had even been vomiting in the dressing room prior to entering the ring. At the time I thought this was bullshit and that Medina had simply exposed limitations of his. However the rematch cast some new questions - he didn't outbox Medina but overwhelmed him with pressure, knocking him down at the end of the first round and then three times during the 10th and 11th before the stoppage. Medina still outboxed him for a period during the middle rounds, but this time Harrison seemed much much more fired up than in the first fight, and was successful in jumping on Medina. He looked so flat in the first fight that I think he might have actually been telling the truth about the virus.

Saying that, he again travelled to Spain in preparation for the Polo fight, and again - even though there was no illness - he looked flat during the fight. The draw was not a robbery, in my opinion, as Polo's jabs, though landing, did not actually mark up Harrison until late in the fight - around the 11th. That tells me they were pitter-patter. In contrast Harrison buzzed Polo numerous times, and actually had him on wobbly legs against the ropes two or three times. The fight balanced itself out because of this (IMO).

Anyway, the main thing to note is that when he trains in Spain (or Portugal) I don't think it mentally prepares him properly. He is a very serious man who is all business in the ring - and that type of fighter is at their best when they have isolation in their preparation. He trained in seclusion up in the mountainous Highlands for the Medina rematch, and for the fight against Abelyan (who many thought would beat Harrison), and it showed. Instead of relying on the heat to sweat out the pounds, he does it through hard work in a freezing cold climate. This makes him fitter/stronger in the ring and brings his weight down more naturally, though no way is he a natural featherweight - he must go up to at least 10st by fight time.

He again went through the sadistic army-inspired training regime in Fort William/Ben Nevis for his most recent fight against Brodie. In my opinion Brodie was the same Brodie as in the second Chi fight, yet Harrison got him out of there quicker than Chi - with a devastating left hook to the body. Chi is a winnable fight for Harrison as people forget that Brodie had him hurt during the mid rounds of their first fight (watching it live, I actually thought Brodie was close to stopping Chi at that point). Chi also was knocked down by a right hand against the limited banger Sugama (which the hometown referee never counted), and also went the distance against a 21 year old novice, in what looked at the time to be a WBU/WBF calibre mismatch. Looking at Chi's record and taking into account his style (plus the recent injury), I would favour Harrison by 8th round stoppage in a war. I think Chi's career highlight will be going the distance with Erik Morales.

Harrison - Marquez is the one that is getting talked about right now, and one I'd be interested in seeing. After looking awesome against Medina I haven't been all that impressed by Marquez (haven't seen the Licona fight, though) - the Gainer 'fight' was one of the all-time great stinkers, then he got dropped and looked very ragged at times versus Pacman (though did GREAT to get himself back in the fight), then against Salido (which I saw live) he basically stunk out the biggest stage he will ever fight on by indulging in a glorified sparring contest, then against Polo I had the fight around even at the midway point (which gave me a shock, as I thought he was going to stop Polo). If Harrison managed to 'get behind' Juan Manuel and take away his power, while emphasising his own, the fight could be VERY interesting. The problem for Scott is, I think Marquez would be prepared for his 'new' style, and would stop him in about 7 rounds - providing he stuck to boxing; counter-punching going backwards.

The Harrison who set up his power shots with a jab so effectively versus Chacon, and the Harrison whose precision combinations came razor close (it should have been stopped) to making him the first person to stop Wayne McCulloch, would have been a very tough opponent for any of the 'world' champions, but that Scott Harrison disappeared completely after the first Medina fight. Even Walter Estrada of Columbia - a fisherman who came in as a late sub for William Abelyan - was out-boxing him at times, before mysteriously wilting in the 6th. It has got to the stage where you have to give almost anyone a chance of out-boxing him because of the one-dimensional way he fights these days.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 22 Aug 2005, 16:47

Anyone feel like translating that into Spanish? :)

:x

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 22 Aug 2005, 16:51

Manos de Oro wrote:Anyone feel like translating that into Spanish? :) :x

uh... thanks for the info!

But i'm too lazy to translate.

RagingRyan · Post by **RagingRyan** » 23 Aug 2005, 12:30

No tengo la opinion misma de Harrison. Pienso es un campeon debil.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 23 Aug 2005, 12:46

RagingRyan wrote:No tengo la opinion misma de Harrison. Pienso es un campeon debil.

He is an exceptionally strong feather - maybe the strongest at the weight, but to be honest I don't even consider him a champion - just a contender to Marquez.

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 23 Aug 2005, 15:22

Manos de Oro wrote:Anyone feel like translating that into Spanish? :) :x

<< bostezo>> Excusas, excusas… Nada mas.

¿Por qué Harison no le dio Medina y Polo una revancha? ... en sus países respectivos?

Además, esto es un hilo sobre Soto.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 23 Aug 2005, 15:48

Blue wrote:
¿Por qué Harison no le dio Medina y Polo una revancha? ... en sus países respectivos?

Porque él sabe que él perdía...

Broncano · Post by **Broncano** » 23 Aug 2005, 16:16

Riddick Blowe wrote:
Blue wrote:
¿Por qué Harison no le dio Medina y Polo una revancha? ... en sus países respectivos?

Porque él sabe que él perdía...

Riddick, que grata sorpresa descubrir que hablas español! A ver si le enseñas unas palabras a tu amigo Overhand...!!

Por otro lado, totalmente de acuerdo contigo y Blue respecto a Harrison. No les sorprenda que el proximo retador sea un don nadie con record dudoso que aparece en los rankings de la WBO como por arte de magia.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 23 Aug 2005, 16:37

Broncano wrote:
Riddick Blowe wrote:
Blue wrote:
¿Por qué Harison no le dio Medina y Polo una revancha? ... en sus países respectivos?

Porque él sabe que él perdía...

Riddick, que grata sorpresa descubrir que hablas español! A ver si le enseñas unas palabras a tu amigo Overhand...!!

Por otro lado, totalmente de acuerdo contigo y Blue respecto a Harrison. No les sorprenda que el proximo retador sea un don nadie con record dudoso que aparece en los rankings de la WBO como por arte de magia.

ahh, no hablo español, desafortunadamente. algunas palabras, pero hablo en francés mejor. tiene sentido?

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 23 Aug 2005, 20:06

Manos de Oro wrote:
Blue wrote:Anyone feel like translating that into Spanish? :) :x
<< bostezo>> Excusas, excusas… Nada mas.

Blue, you haven't posted much over on the British forum since Hatton beat Tsyzu... why is that?

Blue wrote:¿Por qué Harison no le dio Medina y Polo una revancha? ... en sus países respectivos?

Medina made more money fighting on the Warren show, and said himself he liked the way he was treated by the officials, crowd, etc; Polo got a much better opportunity than a Harrison rematch with the Marquez fight.

Blue wrote:Además, esto es un hilo sobre Soto.

True...

Blue · Post by **Blue** » 23 Aug 2005, 23:28

Tan agradable ser faltado.

No estoy mucho en ningún foro porque soy estoy ocupado a meter peleas programados y resultados en BoxRec.

El foro británico está más o menos dormido porque el boxeo en Gran Bretaña toma una rotura en agosto porque
todos sus ventiladores van el vacaciones a otra parte. (

Como voz estás en el foro de Boxeo Mundial.)

Witter - Hatton sería una pelea que cada uno quisiera ver y despertaría el foro británico un poquito.

Ricky todavía no ha probado que él es el mejor de Gran Bretaña.

La pregunta nunca fue contestada.
¿Por qué Harison no le dio Medina y Polo una revancha?
Nunca incluso ofrecieron uno.

Olvídese De Harrison - Marquez;
Parece Marquez va pelear a Chris John.
http://www.box-latino.com/noticias2.cfm?id=286

¿Qué usted piensa en Soto-Harison?

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 24 Aug 2005, 10:40

Blue wrote:La pregunta nunca fue contestada.
¿Por qué Harison no le dio Medina y Polo una revancha?
Nunca incluso ofrecieron uno.

Olvídese De Harrison - Marquez;
Parece Marquez va pelear a Chris John.
http://www.box-latino.com/noticias2.cfm?id=286

¿Qué usted piensa en Soto-Harison?

In a fairytale world (or if boxing were pure sport) that would be the thing that would have happened, but, as you know, it's all about money, money, money. This is the same reason Hatton - Witter never happened: too big a risk for too little reward for the player with the most chips.

Marquez - John... very interesting.

John has the potential to bring out the best in Marquez - who must be as sharp and on-the-ball as possible. If he get's caught napping or fights flat (like he has done on plenty of occassions) then there could be fireworks... but I think he'll handle the dark horse of 126 by decision, or maybe late stoppage - depending how easily he's able to cope with the pressure and land his counters.

Harrison - Soto would be a case of who was motivated, hungrier. Considering Soto just beat an unbeaten Olympian I'd make him the favourite, though not with 100% certainty.

MARCO RIVERO · Post by **MARCO RIVERO** » 25 Aug 2005, 14:46

Soto le dio una leccion de boxeo a juarez,porque Juarez se le subio el humo sobre la cabeza desde que le gano a Guty Espadas>que bueno felicito mucho a Soto y espero que la proxima vez que pelee se le brinde mas apoyo.

martin caldera · Post by **martin caldera** » 04 Sep 2005, 17:02

soto se me hizo un peleador muy completo creo que difinitivamente le va ha ganar chi, y con un par de peleas con oponentes de primerisimo nivel va ha estar listo para juan manuel marquez acuerdense que tambien boxea soto maneja muy bien el jab lo repite bastante eso fue clave para su triunfo a harrison le puede ganar es mas peligroso juan manuel por su boxeo harrison se le dificultan los boxeadores acuerdense como le fue con mantecas medina, y macalum,que no pegan soto es de mejor pegada que heyos y sabe boxear domina muy bien el ring esperemos verlo siempre con esa desicion y nos va a traer muy buenas peleas.

vagabundo55 · Post by **vagabundo55** » 05 Sep 2005, 04:33

Yo tambien siento que si Soto pelea como peleo contra Juarez, le puede ganar a Chi.

Que piensan de Soto?

Que piensan de Soto?

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