Jack Johnson vs Holyfield 12 rounds.

['Frilla]

Does anyone know enough about Johnson to call this fight?

This dreamfight has always had me interested.

From what ive seen of Johnson, he has an awesome jab and a devistating right hand.

I know Holyfield has the tools to counter Johnson, but will it be enough?

Who wins?

[Goodnight, Irene]

What do you mean, does anyone know enough about Johnson to call it?

Hes not exactly an obscure figure?

[Goodnight, Irene]

The fight itself isnt my idea of a dreamfight, personally.

Holyfield's co-trainer during his prime, Georgie Benton, said, "If you aint got a good partner, its hard to dance," and such would be Holyfield's (and the crowds) problem here --- Johnson would spoil, he had a great uppercut, smooth, educated jab, his right was versatile and packed a decent wallop. I think he would react sourly to Holyfield's fouling and combos, while Holyfield would do the same, seeing Johnson so shelled and cautious.

I'll give it to Holyfield on activity in a snoozer, IMO.

['Frilla]

Just a question mate, because i dont.

There isnt much on youtube.

['Frilla]

The fight itself isnt my idea of a dreamfight, personally.

Holyfield's co-trainer during his prime, Georgie Benton, said, "If you aint got a good partner, its hard to dance," and such would be Holyfield's (and the crowds) problem here --- Johnson would spoil, he had a great uppercut, smooth, educated jab, his right was versatile and packed a decent wallop. I think he would react sourly to Holyfield's fouling and combos, while Holyfield would do the same, seeing Johnson so shelled and cautious.

I'll give it to Holyfield on activity in a snoozer, IMO.

Interesting take. Watching the Ketchel fight, i find it hard for Holyfield to find Johnson.

[Alan Partridge]

I'd give this to Johnson even at 12 rounds!!!

He would be too clever for the very skilled Holyfield.

It wouldn't be a KO unless it was a 20 rounder, and even then it would probably go to points.

[Goodnight, Irene]

The fight itself isnt my idea of a dreamfight, personally.

Holyfield's co-trainer during his prime, Georgie Benton, said, "If you aint got a good partner, its hard to dance," and such would be Holyfield's (and the crowds) problem here --- Johnson would spoil, he had a great uppercut, smooth, educated jab, his right was versatile and packed a decent wallop. I think he would react sourly to Holyfield's fouling and combos, while Holyfield would do the same, seeing Johnson so shelled and cautious.

I'll give it to Holyfield on activity in a snoozer, IMO.

Interesting take. Watching the Ketchel fight, i find it hard for Holyfield to find Johnson.

Ketchel was a MW and the bout was staged for all but the last moments?

[dempseyfire]

Johnson would win a clear decision. For all of Evander's purported boxing ability, what master boxer did he ever outbox? He had decent skills, no doubt, but his career was built on outboxing/out-"heart"ting guys who were not very hard to find and who conditioning-wise left something to be desired (post-prison Tyson, Bowe, old Foreman, old Holmes, Mercer, fat Douglas, Stewart, Dokes).
Probably the slickest 'boxer' he ever faced not in his 40s was Michael Moorer, who he went 1-1 with and even in their rematch, Moorer was outboxing Evander . . Holyfield just had overpowered Michael in that fight.

I don't see Evander doing well with any of the true ATG 'stylists' a la Johnson, Charles, Ali, Tunney, prime Holmes etc.

['Frilla]

The fight itself isnt my idea of a dreamfight, personally.

Holyfield's co-trainer during his prime, Georgie Benton, said, "If you aint got a good partner, its hard to dance," and such would be Holyfield's (and the crowds) problem here --- Johnson would spoil, he had a great uppercut, smooth, educated jab, his right was versatile and packed a decent wallop. I think he would react sourly to Holyfield's fouling and combos, while Holyfield would do the same, seeing Johnson so shelled and cautious.

I'll give it to Holyfield on activity in a snoozer, IMO.

Interesting take. Watching the Ketchel fight, i find it hard for Holyfield to find Johnson.

Ketchel was a MW and the bout was staged for all but the last moments?

I didnt know that fight was staged at all.

I do know Ketchel was a MW, and he rarely caught Johnson during the fight except for his knockdown over hand right, and based on that, i say Holyfield will find it hard to land on an elusive Johnson.

[Goodnight, Irene]

It was a staged fight, Frilla.

[dempseyfire]

It was a staged fight, Frilla.

It was informally pre-arranged to go the distance . . but the fight itself wasn't "staged" . .Ketchel's pulpy mess of a face would ensure that it was very welll staged indeed; Hollywood-style special effects in 1910!!

[Goodnight, Irene]

Arranged to go the distance is a pretty comprehensive stage, to me.