The Ring says it's super Middle title is on the line

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 24 Aug 2005, 08:56

If Calzaghe and Lacy does happen, the winner gets their title.

http://www.thering-online.com/index.html

states · Post by **states** » 24 Aug 2005, 08:58

I kinda figured this would happen. Come on Joe, don't pull out now......

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 24 Aug 2005, 09:01

So if Calzaghe wins at least he will finally hold a genuine title...not that IBF thing either 8)

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 24 Aug 2005, 09:17

If he did win it we might get to see the likes of Tocker Pudwill fighting the Ring champion! HA!

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 24 Aug 2005, 14:12

i thought the ring wouldn't make this for there title.

cos lacy is at no4 in there latest ratings.

well done ring.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 24 Aug 2005, 14:41

hitman_hatton1 wrote:i thought the ring wouldn't make this for there title.

cos lacy is at no4 in there latest ratings.

well done ring.

They put Lacy up to three in their latest rankings.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 24 Aug 2005, 15:23

Did Ottke get their Belt when he unifed the WBA/IBF?

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 24 Aug 2005, 15:33

Max Molyneux wrote:Did Ottke get their Belt when he unifed the WBA/IBF?

no.

ottke and calzaghe used to switch around between 1 and 2 a lot but neither was ever given the ring title.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 24 Aug 2005, 15:37

Max Molyneux wrote:Did Ottke get their Belt when he unifed the WBA/IBF?

There has never been a recognised Ring champion at 168.

Calzaghe's Ring will probably go before November. ;)

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 24 Aug 2005, 19:00

nickd wrote:
Max Molyneux wrote:Did Ottke get their Belt when he unifed the WBA/IBF?
There has never been a recognised Ring champion at 168.

Calzaghe's Ring will probably go before November. ;)

The Ring championship has been very contradictory of late, I mean Ottke was never the Ring champion but Vitali Klitchsko is.

I think there was a stronger case for Ottke than the Calzaghe vs Lacy winner with Ottke holding two of the big THREE belts.

I think they are being dictated by finances aswell - that why the Lacy vs Calzaghe winner will be a ring champion (expect some big clashes for the winner) and so is Vitali.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Aug 2005, 05:07

For a vacant Ring belt to be at stake there has to be a fight between either #1 and #2 or #1 and #3. And with Ottke and Calzaghe in two of those three positions for a long time it never happened. Calzaghe v Lacy would be #1 against #3. Just shows the sorry state the division has been really with the can't travel won't travel club!

That's why Ottke was never Ring champion, he never made fights with the best ranked in the division i.e. Calzaghe, Beyer etc.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Aug 2005, 05:17

nickd wrote:For a vacant Ring belt to be at stake there has to be a fight between either #1 and #2 or #1 and #3. And with Ottke and Calzaghe in two of those three positions for a long time it never happened. Calzaghe v Lacy would be #1 against #3. Just shows the sorry state the division has been really with the can't travel won't travel club!

That's why Ottke was never Ring champion, he never made fights with the best ranked in the division i.e. Calzaghe, Beyer etc.

Still a little harsh on him, I mean what did Calzaghe do to really warrant that #1 position.

I take it that when Ottke fought Mitchell, Ottke was at #2 and Mitchell at #3. Its a bit harsh cause the ranking of Ottke and Calzaghe was close and open to opinion back then.

Same now, I think there is a clear case for not having Lacy in the top 3 - Calzaghe, Beyer and Kessler could easily be the top 3.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 25 Aug 2005, 05:49

A little side note. Kessler were #2 and Mundine #3 when they fourght in june.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Aug 2005, 06:03

Freiheit wrote:A little side note. Kessler were #2 and Mundine #3 when they fourght in june.

Mundine at #3 ! Man, he lost to Scica (or however you spell it). People seem to have forgotton that loss.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 25 Aug 2005, 06:17

Thought they would gave one to Ottke after unifying.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Aug 2005, 06:20

Ring have moved Lacy up to 3 after his win over Reid in their latest ratings.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Aug 2005, 06:22

Ottke was number 1 I think.

When Ottke fought Mitchell, Byron was not in the top 3 hence no Ring title on the line.

woe31 · Post by **woe31** » 25 Aug 2005, 23:04

stujones wrote:
Freiheit wrote:A little side note. Kessler were #2 and Mundine #3 when they fourght in june.
Mundine at #3 ! Man, he lost to Scica (or however you spell it). People seem to have forgotton that loss.

I agree that #3 seems laughably high for Mundine, but his loss to Siaca came on a grade 2 sprained ankle which he suffered about a week before the fight. He had basically no movement that night, and it played in to Siaca's hands, being the stronger/slower guy. The Mundine that fought Kessler would have handled Siaca IMO.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 26 Aug 2005, 06:45

woe31 wrote:
stujones wrote:
Freiheit wrote:A little side note. Kessler were #2 and Mundine #3 when they fourght in june.
Mundine at #3 ! Man, he lost to Scica (or however you spell it). People seem to have forgotton that loss.
I agree that #3 seems laughably high for Mundine, but his loss to Siaca came on a grade 2 sprained ankle which he suffered about a week before the fight. He had basically no movement that night, and it played in to Siaca's hands, being the stronger/slower guy. The Mundine that fought Kessler would have handled Siaca IMO.

All maybe, but a loss is a loss, Mundine should be ranked lower than Siaca.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 26 Aug 2005, 13:10

Beyer should take on Kessler and the winner of that should fight the winner of Lacy - Calzaghe. Only then can there finally be a World Champion at 12st. The Ring belt takes a further notch down the credibility ladder (didn't take long, eh?) if they nominate a Champion (what a coincidence it's likely to be an American) without going through the process to create one.

Tsypko could the be the first defence of the new 168lb champ, then the likes of Mundine, Markussen, Magee, maybe throw in a supposed dangerman like Andrade, then maybe a fight with a former titlist... and before you know it you have a recognizable Champion with a legacy, who sets a benchmark for the division.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 26 Aug 2005, 14:33

Manos de Oro wrote:Beyer should take on Kessler and the winner of that should fight the winner of Lacy - Calzaghe. Only then can there finally be a World Champion at 12st. The Ring belt takes a further notch down the credibility ladder (didn't take long, eh?) if they nominate a Champion (what a coincidence it's likely to be an American) without going through the process to create one.

Tsypko could the be the first defence of the new 168lb champ, then the likes of Mundine, Markussen, Magee, maybe throw in a supposed dangerman like Andrade, then maybe a fight with a former titlist... and before you know it you have a recognizable Champion with a legacy, who sets a benchmark for the division.

They have a process already for vacant titles, if #1 faces #2 or #3 then its a ring title fight. That's the way they have always done it.

Freiheit · Post by **Freiheit** » 26 Aug 2005, 15:01

According to Team Palle Mundine and Tsypko will fight in an eliminator for the right to be the next mandatory for Kessler.
They also write that whoever wins the eliminator, the mandatory defense is most likely to be in Australia or Germany.

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 26 Aug 2005, 15:11

nickd wrote:They have a process already for vacant titles, if #1 faces #2 or #3 then its a ring title fight. That's the way they have always done it.

Sorry, my post wasn't clear enough - a tournament is the best way to crown a vacant champ, IMO. Tournaments > rankings. Any rankings can be quietly manipulated, easily. If I remember right Lampley and Merchant are on the board of Ring magazine and actually decide the rankings, which would explain Vitali's nominance (given he appears on HBO). It's also for this reason it's not so surprising to see them clamour to crown the winner of Lacy - Calzaghe, considering Lacy is hot right now and Joe showing signs he's fading. An American champion is in their interests (even though he's on Showtime, he still brings more selling power for their mag) than some Euro fraud who never fights out his back garden. It would be funny as funk if Calzghe actually won then resumed his usual level of opposition.

They should do it the old fashioned way and have all the participants introduced to the (TV) audience before each semi-final. Of course all the differences to do with promotion and TV rights (not to mention geography) make this impossible, but it's nice to pipe dream.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 26 Aug 2005, 15:47

Ahh Manos your post was great in a perfect world, i could see all the Super Middleweights fighting each other for the right to be No. 1 it would be so sweet. Whether it will happen though...i won't hold my breath

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 26 Aug 2005, 17:33

steve689 wrote:Ahh Manos your post was great in a perfect world, i could see all the Super Middleweights fighting each other for the right to be No. 1 it would be so sweet. Whether it will happen though...i won't hold my breath

Steve, the ironic thing is that such a Champion can be a very shrewd investment for 168lb'ers in the future, but with all the fighters in the division being so fragmented in different promotional outfits, there's really no chance at all of it happening any time soon. And the division will continue to loiter on that level just below glamour, no matter who the 'Ring' or 'Unified' champ is. :( :x