Titles for next season

[jBacca]

Commissioners. I know this is a long-shot but is there any way you can tamper with rankings to give belts a different level of prestige.

In real life (obviously sim life is much more important), the belts have their status and worth, i.e. the WBO being an entry level, 'acceptable' world title.

Is there a way to replicate the worth of belts?]

This recent HW season was fantastic with the champions changing all the time, but would there be a way to make it so even more fighters have a chance via the WBO route (for example).

[Crease]

Commissioners. I know this is a long-shot but is there any way you can tamper with rankings to give belts a different level of prestige.

In real life (obviously sim life is much more important), the belts have their status and worth, i.e. the WBO being an entry level, 'acceptable' world title.

Is there a way to replicate the worth of belts?

I'm not sure I know what you mean Jai. You want to change the standing of the titles from the way that they are now (WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF being top notch, WBU being below that) but I don't see what you mean?
What belts would you rate as more presitigious as the others? Can you give me an example?

Are we talking about (just throwing this out there) the WBC & WBA being the MOST important belts, then the WBO & IBF being second-notch.
Is that what you mean?

This recent HW season was fantastic with the champions changing all the time, but would there be a way to make it so even more fighters have a chance via the WBO route (for example).

I think lower ranked fighters have more going on for them than what they did in seasons past... They can compete in the Prizefighters, then there's the Million Dollar Tournament which is free to enter.

However if you would like to see more catering for the sub 15s, would you like to see another second-rate belt (like the WBU) we could call it the IBO or the WBF or something like that..
Just throwing it out there, it's a democracy - the Sim public always decide...

[jBacca]

You nailed it. Wouldn't mind seeing the WBO and IBF being being valued less than the WBC/A and subsequently, somehow, allowing the 'poorer' fighters to having a chance to get a title.

Though, don't get me wrong. I'm happy with the way it is now. It's been a great season and I agree that the 'poorer' fighters get more of a shot than ever. I just think everything can be improved and was wondering if there was scope for it to happen here.

Say you had the two main belts which the likes of Louis, Dempsey, Ali, Marciano, Holmes etc competed for. Then you could have the other two belts being dominated by the likes of Frazier, Klits, Lennox.

The excitement could be taking your fighter from one level to the next. E.g. Lewis dominates the WBO and has a push at winning the WBA. If it pays off then sound, if not he could drop it down a level and keep fighting for the WBO or IBF.

I'd say there are four levels of fighters at the moment.

1. Elite who keep having shot after shot at the four belts.
2. Good fighters who are around the top 10 mark. Too good for the WBU, not good enough to be consistent at the top.
3. WBU fighters.
4. Waste of time fighters.

If the reputation/stature of the belts was changed. You'd have more enjoyment spread throughout the field (imo).

1. Elite fighters who compete for the WBA/WBC.
2. Good fighters who keep competing for the WBO/IBF, with the chance of pushing towards the WBC/WBA.
3. Decent fighters who have a chance of hitting one of the two, lesser world titles.
4. WBU fighters.
5. Waste of time fighters.

[jBacca]

I'm typing as I speak in my head so bear with me if it doesn't make sense.

[Crease]

It's certainly an idea, something I haven't considered before... Let me have a bit of time to get my head around it.

My initial reaction there was (if I'm honest) - I'm not sure if that would work.

I can see what you mean about the WBC Title, it's always been the most prestigious (to my mind) but in boxing these days, in most weights the best fighters don't even hold the WBC title - so I think that the time of the WBC having the best champions has past.

For example, in real life:
Floyd Mayweather - WBA Welterweight Champion
Manny Pacquaio - WBO Welterweight Champion
Wlad Klitschko - IBF 7 WBO Champion

The best fighters are evenly spread over the four main titles throughout the weight classes.

[jBacca]

It's certainly an idea, something I haven't considered before... Let me have a bit of time to get my head around it.

My initial reaction there was (if I'm honest) - I'm not sure if that would work.

I can see what you mean about the WBC Title, it's always been the most prestigious (to my mind) but in boxing these days, in most weights the best fighters don't even hold the WBC title - so I think that the time of the WBC having the best champions has past.

For example, in real life:
Floyd Mayweather - WBA Welterweight Champion
Manny Pacquaio - WBO Welterweight Champion
Wlad Klitschko - IBF 7 WBO Champion

The best fighters are evenly spread over the four main titles throughout the weight classes.

Aye, that's right. Obviously the belts have different worth at different weights. Would have to just decide what belts hold the more prestige with regards to the Sim.

[BoxBuzz]

Honestly what made the titles this season was those who were willing to engage. I think the belts should remain even...(besides the software has no way to differentiate) However the IBO will be the trash title because I can actually track it. However we may be able to tinker with the rules on how fighters can "unify". Though I don't want to venture too far from the status quo. I wouldn't mind taking a step back from champions having to defend three times before unifying. As hard as it is to face a top ten opponent and win 4 in a row (taking the title and three defenses) there may be some tinkering room there.

Also the software has a very intricate way of piling up points taking ALL aspects of EVERY fighter into consideration. The commish's list will stay. I will NOT manage fighters while I am operating as commish. Too much of a conflict....though I suppose I could manufacture a newcomer random fighter if no one objects to that. Ladmo Kabong from Uganda has been talking about coming out of retirement. lol

Not looking to make things too complicated here. In fact less complicated is my goal.

[JDC]

Honestly what made the titles this season was those who were willing to engage. I think the belts should remain even...(besides the software has no way to differentiate) However the IBO will be the trash title because I can actually track it. However we may be able to tinker with the rules on how fighters can "unify". Though I don't want to venture too far from the status quo. I wouldn't mind taking a step back from champions having to defend three times before unifying. As hard as it is to face a top ten opponent and win 4 in a row (taking the title and three defenses) there may be some tinkering room there.

Also the software has a very intricate way of piling up points taking ALL aspects of EVERY fighter into consideration. The commish's list will stay. I will NOT manage fighters while I am operating as commish. Too much of a conflict....though I suppose I could manufacture a newcomer random fighter if no one objects to that. Ladmo Kabong from Uganda has been talking about coming out of retirement. lol

Not looking to make things too complicated here. In fact less complicated is my goal.

3 consecutive defences OR 5 total defences would work. It would make sure they don't happen too early in the season

[Crease]

I'd say there are four levels of fighters at the moment.

1. Elite who keep having shot after shot at the four belts.
2. Good fighters who are around the top 10 mark. Too good for the WBU, not good enough to be consistent at the top.
3. WBU fighters.
4. Waste of time fighters.

I applaud the fact that you have identified and highlighted this issue - I, too noticed it. But with respect (not try to step on your toes here) I don't think that more/less valuable World Titles is the solution.

Having a two-tier World Championship system changes the dynamics of the game and it puts a bracket/asterisk/slur (which your prefer) on the name of "World Champion" and what exactly that title means...

Also if you consider it in reverse, it kind of works against itself. If the amount of top-tier titles is reduced to two then it becomes more difficult for poorer fighters to reach the top accolades due to even more limited opportunities.

The trouble is (and always will be) that every weight class division has elite fighters who will undobutedly be targeting the top prizes, not that there's anything wrong with that it's just the way it is.

I agree with Buzz when he says:

I think the belts should remain even...

I am happy with the titles as they are now, because the four constantly changed hands it generated interest and it is exciting because the glory is spread around for more Managers to get involved in the World Title scene.

[Crease]

I wouldn't mind taking a step back from champions having to defend three times before unifying. As hard as it is to face a top ten opponent and win 4 in a row (taking the title and three defenses)

I would be staunchly against this. The three defence rule improved the Sim - there was a problem of constant unifications at the beginning (or the middle) of the season which meant that in effect there was only One Champion (and thus one title shot up fro grabs).... It really excludes a lot of the mid-table fighters.

[Crease]

Maybe an alternative way to open up opportunities for fighters ranked 11-19 is to expand the elligiblity rules of the World Titles to (maybe) the top 15 from each boxing body.

(Personally I prefer defences against each organisations top 10 guys, but I'm just suggesting it as an idea)

[Crease]

I wouldn't mind taking a step back from champions having to defend three times before unifying. As hard as it is to face a top ten opponent and win 4 in a row (taking the title and three defenses) there may be some tinkering room there.

But it's supposed to be hard Buzz, because the reward for it is great - a possible Unification bout. Besides we often find that a World Champion will usually face his weakest possible opposition (like Jbacca did with Dempsey during the start of his WBO reign) so it may be hard, but not imposbbile.

I will NOT manage fighters while I am operating as commish. Too much of a conflict....though I suppose I could manufacture a newcomer random fighter if no one objects to that. Ladmo Kabong from Uganda has been talking about coming out of retirement. lol

Buzz if you want to manage, just draw up a draft list then put your name at the bottom of it. simples.

[Crease]

3 consecutive defences OR 5 total defences would work. It would make sure they don't happen too early in the season

I can see where JDC is coming from. But the current formula is a winner. Maybe we will relax the three defence rule in the last eighth of the season
(after week 35 in a 40-week season
or after week 25 in a 30-week season)

Let's try and keep it simple. Toward the end unifications are possible (howabout the same time the next Super Six comes round)

[JDC]

Unifications should be earned, not gained through good timing. Dempsey, Marciano and Ali all met this criteria. I don't see the problem.

[Crease]

Unifications should be earned, not gained through good timing. Dempsey, Marciano and Ali all met this criteria. I don't see the problem.

Tell that to Joe Frazier. Let's just leave it the way that it is, if fighters are good enough we'll see Unifications in the future.

[BoxBuzz]

Unifications should be earned, not gained through good timing. Dempsey, Marciano and Ali all met this criteria. I don't see the problem.

I agree, based on this thinking THE ROCK is a shoo in at the HOF....and I'm sure we can count on your vote!

[Crease]

I agree, based on this thinking THE ROCK is a shoo in at the HOF....and I'm sure we can count on your vote!

How very Mitt Romney of you, Buzz.

[Crease]

This proposal of Jai's brings the out questionof which is the better boxing body?
I would be reluctant to pick one out because these days they are all as bad as each other with all this "Diamond Champion" and "Super Title" and all the rest of it.


(Though historically, it's probably the WBC)

[BoxBuzz]

I believe the software follows a formula within sanctioning bodies that tilts a small bit toward how each of the contenders perform against the various (sim) historical champions of each sanctiontiong body.

Which is why some sink/rise faster within different belt ratings.

It's very complex in it's algorhythms.

[jBacca]

... bit like the BoxBuzz software.

[Crease]

I believe the software follows a formula within sanctioning bodies that tilts a small bit toward how each of the contenders perform against the various (sim) historical champions of each sanctiontiong body.

Which is why some sink/rise faster within different belt ratings.

It's very complex in it's algorhythms.

Yeah there's definitely a favourtism shown by the various title bodies... For example, usually they will be generous to former champions of their title.


And they all do it.