HOF Nomination: Rocky Marciano

[Crease]

ROCKY MARCIANO (Managed by BoxBuzz)



Accolades:
Spent most weeks ranked as The Number One fighter in The Sim.
Joint best numerical record in the Sim - 33 wins 1 draw 7 losses
Over 75% win ratio
Quickest Man to win 3 World Titles
Won 28 fights in the first 30 weeks

Individual Titles:
x2 time WBC Champion (Weeks 10, 26)
x1 time WBO Champion (Week 14)
x1 time IBF Champion (Week 16)
The original Lonsdale Champion – held that title for 18 weeks (Week 15- week 32)

[Crease]

Completed record:

Week 1: vs Nikolay Valuev (CPU) W TKO 4
Week 2: vs Tye Fields (CPU) W TKO 2
Week 3: vs Owen Back (CPU) W KO 7
Week 4: vs Tyson Fury (CPU) W KO 4
Week 5: vs Vitali Klitchsko W KO 13
Week 6: vs Greg Page (CPU) W TKO 10 (declines to fight Joe Louis for WBC Title eliminator)
Week 7: vs Andrew Golota (CPU) W TKO 3
Week 8: vs Leon Spinks (CPU) W TKO 1
Week 9: vs Riddick Bowe W TKO 1
Week 10: vs Peter Jackson WBC Title W TKO 4
Week 11: vs Ezzard Charles WBC Title W KO 2
Week 12: vs Peter Jackson WBC Title L TKO 8
Week 13: vs Jimmy Young W KO 9
Week 14: vs Jack Dempsey WBO Title W KO 10
Week 15: vs Peter Jackson Lonsdale Title W TKO 6
Week 16: vs Vitali Klitschko IBF/Lonsdale Title W TKO 4
Week 17: vs JD Chapman W KO 8 (CPU)LONSDALE TITLE NO IBF DEFENSE
Week 18: vs Mike Tyson IBF/Londsale Title W TKO6
Week 19: vs John L. Sullivan W KO3 Lonsdale title NO IBF DEFENSE
Week 20: vs George Chuvalo W TKO7 (CPU) Lonsdale title NO IBF DEFENSE
Week 21: vs Ezzard Charles W TKO11 ( Lonsdale title NO IBF DEFENSE
Week 22: vs Lennox Lewis W KO15 Lonsdale title
Week 23: vs Wladimir Klitchsko W TKO4 Lonsdale title
Week 24: vs Luis Silva W TKO8 Lonsdale title
Week 25: vs Jack Johnson WBC and LONSDALE Title Technical Draw
Week 26: vs Jack Johnson WBC and LONSDALE Title W TKO11
Week 27: vs Joe Jeanette WBC and LONSDALE Title W UD
Week 28: vs Joe Frazier WBC and LONSDALE Title W KO5
Week 29: vs David Tua WBC and LONSDALE Title W KO7
Week 30: vs Harry Wills WBC AND LONSDALE Title W TKO1
Week 31: vs Joe Louis W TKO4 LONSDALE Title
Week 32: vs Max Schmeling L SD
Week 33: vs Young Stribling L SD
Week 34: vs Max Schmeling L TKO13
Week 35: vs James Jeffries W TKO2
Week 36: vs Larry Holmes L UD THE SUPER SIX
Week 37: vs Peter Jackson W TKO 10 THE SUPER SIX
Week 38: vs Joe Louis W KO 4 THE SUPER SIX
Week 39: vs Jack Dempsey L TKO 4 THE SUPER SIX WBC & WBO Titles
Week 40: vs Muhammad Ali L UD THE SUPER SIX
Week 41: vs Max Schmeling W TKO 11

[Crease]

YES.............................................NO
BoxBuzz.....................................Crease
JDC............................................Kevo
Fist Of Legend...........................Techno89
DetroitHxC.................................Jbacca




No from me.

I just don't agree with Buzz's handling of him and too many times Buzz took the "safe option" with Marciano...
And in the period of Week 30-40, when The Rock stepped up and fought the other top fighters he was disappoiting.

[kevo]

No for me. Numerically good record, but too many soft touches.

[BoxBuzz]

For the record he DID NOT CHOOSE not to defend his title. The FEAR was so great that NO ONE would stand up to him.

He was the most avoided fighter this season. And Thus will forever be the peoples choice.

[Crease]

Here are my reasons for saying no to The Rock:

Week 6 Marciano refused to fight Louis in a Week 6 WBC Title Eliminator

Week 21 – Marciano stripped of IBF Title for refusing to face mandatory challenger, Joe Louis

Week 21 – Marciano was suspended from title fights by Tzyuforver.

fought 7 CPUs in the first quarter of the season - when he was ranked as the top man...

[BoxBuzz]

*Held the positon of "top guy" in the sim for over two thirds of the entire season.

*Smashed Joe Louis in such a way as to guarantee Crease would not get a title out of the deal due to "bad blood" between these two camps. GBP sometimes must take the lead in doling out "justice".....and then smashed Joe again in the Super Six.

*Held the Lonsdale title for a dozen defenses, smashing mere beltholders into the dust along the way.

*Held every title known to the sim over the season.

*Knocked out George Chuvalo and Oliver McCall

*Most of his defenses of the Lonsdale were top tier.....save J.D. Chapman when NO ONE challenged him.

*Taught the sim that it takes more than a collection of belts to define what "champion" truly means.

*Most KO's in the season.

*Pecentaget wise fought the fewest amount of rounds to achieve his glory. (Knocking off for lunch early on a regular basis..very few 9 to 5 days.

*Lived a healthy lifestyle, was kind to children, never beat his wife, and had a kind word for many of the "little guys" participating in the Sim.

Just like Maxie Rosenbloom before hime, A record that can not be matched.

[Crease]

*Held every title known to the sim over the season.

He never held the WBA or the WBU titles.

*Taught the sim that it takes more than a collection of belts to define what "champion" truly means.

You mean taking the easy fights and continually dropping World Titles whever it is time for the mandatory challenge to come around.

What sort of presidence will this set for future seasons? Marciano was a top contender this season - but Buzz thought he could lead him to the HOF by taking easy fights and maintaining a "paper dominance" over the Sim.

(I say "paper dominance" because he never consistently fought the top guys like Ali or Dempsey).

[Techno89]

It's a no from me

[jBacca]

No. Kevo and Crease have explained why.

Step up Buzz.

[BoxBuzz]

This is the reality of the Rock's record.

Maybe worthy of hall of fame, maybe not. But he never said NO to a challenge during the IBF weeks, He would have been stripped.

So leave the record as it stands with the truth intact.

NO fighter was as feared as THE ROCK....and it is clearly documented.

and a 19 fight winning streak KO'ing both Dempsey and Frazier along the way.

[JDC]

Yes from me

[Deadendgeneration]

What was his record before the reload? It didn't seem to do him any good.

[BoxBuzz]

I just wanted to assure people that THE ROCK never ran from a challenger during his IBF reign as was the accusation. But it is a fact that no top 10 challengers stepped up for much of his time as IBF champion. To some it means he was not tested during those weeks, to others it may well mean he was feared.....or possibly loathed. lol.

Just a fact that needed to be correctly addressed.

[Crease]

I just wanted to assure people that THE ROCK never ran from a challenger during his IBF reign as was the accusation. But it is a fact that no top 10 challengers stepped up for much of his time as IBF champion. To some it means he was not tested during those weeks

So you admit that during Marciano's IBF Title reign you failed to get him a title defence on FOUR OCCASIONS!

And the weeks in question are:
Week 17: vs JD Chapman W KO 8 (CPU) (FAILED to defend IBF Title)
Week 19: vs John L. Sullivan W KO3 (FAILED to defend IBF Title)
Week 20: vs George Chuvalo W TKO7 (CPU) (FAILED to defend IBF Title)
Week 21: vs Ezzard Charles W TKO11 (FAILED to defend IBF Title)

And you can't argue with them Buzz. Facts speak for themselves. No opinions stated here: (though in mine, I believe you could have done more to get Rocky defending his title)

[Crease]

Another noteworthy statistic is that Rocky and Muhammad's records are mathematically identical:

Rocky Marciano - 33 wins, 7 losses, 1 draw - (9 CPU opponents)

Compared to:

Muhammad Ali - 33 wins, 7 losses , 1 draw - (2 CPU opponents I think)

[BoxBuzz]

Crease honestly, Tzyu would have stripped him if it wasn't for the FACT that NO ONE stepped up..

It holds true whether I was happy about it or not.....It could speak to the fear that others felt....and I believe the fact that this was during a time when others were involved with the million dollar doo dah. But he was the reigning champion.....it was not his fault...even if you say it a thousand times, that no one was available to challenge him....or no one chose to challenge him.



I'm ok with your very very bias opinion....but that's all it is.

His IBF reign needs to be properly documented....and not through the eyes of a jealous competitor.

[Crease]

But he was the reigning champion.....it was not his fault...even if you say it a thousand times

Actually we are in agreement, it was not his fault. It was your fault for failing him!

[BoxBuzz]

please validate the point.


You can not dance without a partner......you seem very close minded, or extemely bias, or you don't get the point.

I can't be sure which it is. You seem to blame it all on me......this is YOUR perception.......and it is opinion.

No one whined or registred a complaint except you....and Joe and Kenny were not eligible and or available.

And for whatever reason...even if your fighters WERE available, for some reason the standing commmish allowed it to stand.

I may well have benefited from it, and maybe I even celebrated...but none of that makes a difference.

You just seem numb to the concept that NO ONE STEPPED UP....it's like a neruo deficit on your part.

I respect your opinion, I have quite another. And the FACT is he remained IBF belt holder until he fought Lennox, a former champion that needed to be reigned in.

You need to get your neutral glasses on.

[Crease]

You need to get your neutral glasses on.

My netural glasses? Marciano was the IBF Champion and you had him fighting undrafted fighters.

[BoxBuzz]

.....OK....seriously....."I" was ok with it....but if someone wanted the fight they could have had them

It was not a stupid idea to avoid THE ROCK when he was KO'ing everyone in sight including the likes of McCall and Chuvalo....the hardest KO victims in the inventory.

Trust me it wasn't just me that was happy about Tzyu's decision not force anyone on THE ROCK during that time.

Do you honestly not get the other side of this? He fought some managed fighters during that time, however they were not IBF top ten as NONE WOULD STEP UP....(Not sure you ever see those words lol).....remember the million dollar tourney was going on.....I actually took on some the best of the CPU's when NO ONE would step up. JD being an exception.


It really begins to feel like you have lead plate in your cranium on this issue.

[Crease]

Do you honestly not get the other side of this? He fought some managed fighters during that time, however they were not IBF top ten as NONE WOULD STEP UP....(Not sure you ever see those words lol).....remember the million dollar tourney was going on.....

No Buzz I do not. You are trying every trick in the book to absolve yourself from responsibility here. The MDT might have been going on but other Managers (myself included) were able to get defences for our World Champions - the only exception was you. And you got away with it four times!

I would also add that upon reading a few of the Matchup threads - you didn't exactly injure your spine trying to locate a title challenger.

I actually took on some the best of the CPU's when NO ONE would step up.

That, in itself, is a thin argument and it is poor defence on your part.

[BoxBuzz]

Well I think at this point your just posturing.....

I think you recognize the genuine nature of the issue

At that time, the various ELIGIBLE challengers jumped at the chance to take a fight with ANYONE else and that's what they did.

Honestly, all someone has to do is call out the champion and if they are an eligible contender, the champion MUST take the fight..OR fight another ELIGIBLE candidate or they will be stripped. IF YOU DUCK YOU ARE STRIPPED...a rule that will continue on.


However THE ROCK was not stripped because the wise commish recognized that THE ROCK has skeered the fecal material out of all the contenders.

And that is a fact.....not an opinion. No one hung in there and demanded they get a fight....if that would have happened it would have ended his IBF reign if he would not have accepted. It wasn't THE ROCK doing any ducking.....everyone was running away.

The same rule will apply this year.

[BoxBuzz]

I have corrected the record to be informative but neutral.

COMMISIONER Tzyu put his own man up, becaus NO ONE stepped up.

The fear that THE ROCK held over the challengers was unprecedented in SIM HISTORY>

That's another FACT.

[Crease]

It wasn't THE ROCK doing any ducking.....everyone was running away.

If The Rock doesn't duck at all - why didn't you face Joe Louis in a WBC Title Eliminator in Week 6.
And why did you drop your IBF Title rather than face Joe Louis as the mandatory challenger?